If the Big XII suffers attrition, it will replace its teams with selections from the AAC and MWC. The Big XII has the brand, bowls, and higher spot on the totem pole.

(11-17-2019 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:43 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Discussion of Rice in previous threads got me thinking, would the Ivy League offer Rice membership?? I know Rice is nowhere near New England, but the Ivy League had considered offering Northwestern at one time, and Northwestern is located in Chicago, so why not at least give Rice a look?? As for Rice, who has mulled over D3 in the past, what not to love about the Ivy League?? Rice could still play Houston & Texas out of conference, for old times sake.

I always thought something along the old Magnolia league concept would work for Rice--especially if coupled with the academies. It would have made more sense 10 years ago than now (SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa are making too much money in the AAC to opt out at this point). If the AAC were to be ravaged by realignment--it might male sense again for those schools.

Rice
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Navy
Air Force
Army


You need one more school to get to 8. Maybe BYU would have interest in something like this. Maybe a reatively small AAU public like Buffalo---or a state flagship like UMass...might work as the 8th member.

The Magnolia League failed to get off the ground, partially because Duke didn't want to give up competing with Carolina for championships.
A lesson should be learned.....schools should stay in conferences where their rivals are.
I'm talking to you Texas A&M, Missouri, Colorado, Nebraska, Maryland, the entire Northeast including Penn State, and Notre Dame.

Yeah no

The SWC and Big 8 both failed and neither is ever coming back because that model is dead.

The B12 was and is a loveless marriage of politics and convenience created purely for television dollars and every single one of its current members would abandon it in a second if they got a stand alone offer from their P4 conference of choice

Maybe Maryland fans are feeling remorse but we sure as hell arent

(11-17-2019 08:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:00 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:55 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In short, no. If Rice decides to move down it will probably be all the way down to D3 and into an elite academic conference.

It’s a shame that the Rice administration can’t build an athletic department that more closely resembles Stanford, Northwestern, or Vanderbilt.

I know it’s semantics, but Vanderbilt doesn’t have an athletic department.

Vanderbilt dished out $25 million to buyout Drew and hire Stackhouse. Wonder what a school with a real athletic department like Georgia Southern could pull off.

I wasn't mocking Vanderbilt. They literally don't have an athletic department. They disbanded it in 2003, and all their varsity sports are maintained by their office of student life.

(11-18-2019 09:10 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Yeah no

The SWC and Big 8 both failed and neither is ever coming back because that model is dead.

The B12 was and is a loveless marriage of politics and convenience created purely for television dollars and every single one of its current members would abandon it in a second if they got a stand alone offer from their P4 conference of choice

Maybe Maryland fans are feeling remorse but we sure as hell arent

The Texas and Oklahoma schools are pretty much right where they want to be. But everyone would like more money. Missouri's dream conference is the Big 10. If the Big 12 offered the money and stability of the SEC (which of course it doesn't), Missouri would be back in the Big 12 with the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. If money and stability were no factors, Nebraska would rather be in the Big 8 (or a Big 12 where they get OU every year).

(11-17-2019 06:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  Rice in the Mountain West would work. Give them some more baseball pedigree.

Rice in the MWC would be mutually beneficial, particularly if the MWC also adds another Texas school or two.

(11-18-2019 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  Rice in the Mountain West would work. Give them some more baseball pedigree.

Rice in the MWC would be mutually beneficial, particularly if the MWC also adds another Texas school or two.

As a Boise St fan, I hope our future is outside the MWC. However, a Texas quadrant of UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, and Rice would serve the conference well in recruiting and visibility. I hope not to be a part of it by then though.

(11-18-2019 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 09:10 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Yeah no

The SWC and Big 8 both failed and neither is ever coming back because that model is dead.

The B12 was and is a loveless marriage of politics and convenience created purely for television dollars and every single one of its current members would abandon it in a second if they got a stand alone offer from their P4 conference of choice

Maybe Maryland fans are feeling remorse but we sure as hell arent

The Texas and Oklahoma schools are pretty much right where they want to be. But everyone would like more money. Missouri's dream conference is the Big 10. If the Big 12 offered the money and stability of the SEC (which of course it doesn't), Missouri would be back in the Big 12 with the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. If money and stability were no factors, Nebraska would rather be in the Big 8 (or a Big 1g2 where they get OU every year).

Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

The Ivy League just doesn't really have the incentive to expand. It's a compact, non scholarship, athletic league that perfectly serves the needs of member schools.

If they ever did expand I suspect it'd be from someone like the Patriot league

(11-17-2019 07:47 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:43 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Discussion of Rice in previous threads got me thinking, would the Ivy League offer Rice membership?? I know Rice is nowhere near New England, but the Ivy League had considered offering Northwestern at one time, and Northwestern is located in Chicago, so why not at least give Rice a look?? As for Rice, who has mulled over D3 in the past, what not to love about the Ivy League?? Rice could still play Houston & Texas out of conference, for old times sake.

I always thought something along the old Magnolia league concept would work for Rice--especially if coupled with the academies. It would have made more sense 10 years ago than now (SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa are making too much money in the AAC to opt out at this point). If the AAC were to be ravaged by realignment--it might male sense again for those schools.

Rice
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Navy
Air Force
Army


You need one more school to get to 8. Maybe BYU would have interest in something like this. Maybe a reatively small AAU public like Buffalo---or a state flagship like UMass...might work as the 8th member.

The Magnolia will only really work if FBS goes to pay for play model and schools like Vandy and Duke decide they still have principles.

I think Magnolia would just need to offer Baylor and TCU to cement the western core. Vandy, Duke, Wake Forest, and Miami might eventually come along, but if not you would still be well situated. Honestly, the Magnolia wouldn’t be a bad league for Baylor if the Big 12 fell apart.

(11-18-2019 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:43 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Discussion of Rice in previous threads got me thinking, would the Ivy League offer Rice membership?? I know Rice is nowhere near New England, but the Ivy League had considered offering Northwestern at one time, and Northwestern is located in Chicago, so why not at least give Rice a look?? As for Rice, who has mulled over D3 in the past, what not to love about the Ivy League?? Rice could still play Houston & Texas out of conference, for old times sake.

I always thought something along the old Magnolia league concept would work for Rice--especially if coupled with the academies. It would have made more sense 10 years ago than now (SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa are making too much money in the AAC to opt out at this point). If the AAC were to be ravaged by realignment--it might male sense again for those schools.

Rice
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Navy
Air Force
Army


You need one more school to get to 8. Maybe BYU would have interest in something like this. Maybe a reatively small AAU public like Buffalo---or a state flagship like UMass...might work as the 8th member.

The Magnolia League failed to get off the ground, partially because Duke didn't want to give up competing with Carolina for championships.
A lesson should be learned.....schools should stay in conferences where their rivals are.
I'm talking to you Texas A&M, Missouri, Colorado, Nebraska, Maryland, the entire Northeast including Penn State, and Notre Dame.

Things are working out pretty well for Penn State. What were they supposed to do?

No and No.

Rice wants scholarship athletics and Texas is way too far from the Ivy footprint.

(11-18-2019 11:33 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  The Ivy League just doesn't really have the incentive to expand. It's a compact, non scholarship, athletic league that perfectly serves the needs of member schools.

If they ever did expand I suspect it'd be from someone like the Patriot league

Yes, a school like Georgetown would be a good fit for the Ivy league, save for basketball.

(11-17-2019 07:47 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 07:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:43 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Discussion of Rice in previous threads got me thinking, would the Ivy League offer Rice membership?? I know Rice is nowhere near New England, but the Ivy League had considered offering Northwestern at one time, and Northwestern is located in Chicago, so why not at least give Rice a look?? As for Rice, who has mulled over D3 in the past, what not to love about the Ivy League?? Rice could still play Houston & Texas out of conference, for old times sake.

I always thought something along the old Magnolia league concept would work for Rice--especially if coupled with the academies. It would have made more sense 10 years ago than now (SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa are making too much money in the AAC to opt out at this point). If the AAC were to be ravaged by realignment--it might male sense again for those schools.

Rice
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Navy
Air Force
Army


You need one more school to get to 8. Maybe BYU would have interest in something like this. Maybe a reatively small AAU public like Buffalo---or a state flagship like UMass...might work as the 8th member.

The Magnolia will only really work if FBS goes to pay for play model and schools like Vandy and Duke decide they still have principles.

I dont know if that’s true. What I laid out is a G5 league that would be extremely strong academically and would have some national name recognition with all 3 academies. It would only have 8 members, so there would be a 7 game round robin schedule giving each team an extra OOC game to play with. You could even play divisions and just have a 6 game conference slate for even more scheduling flexibility. The academies would have tremendous flexibility in their OOC because their Commander Cup games are all conference games.

The only issue is the Army-Navy game. How do you make that work without messing up the date. The only thing I can think to do is make it a 6 game conference schedule with divisions. Put Army in one division and Navy in the other and schedule it so Army-Navy never play one another in conference play. If they each win their division, then the conference has no stand alone CCG that year and the traditional Army-Navy game on its traditional date is not only an OOC game—-but it also becomes the CCG for that season. Otherwise, the Army-Navy game is just treated as the same OOC game that its always been played on its traditional date.

(11-18-2019 11:36 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Things are working out pretty well for Penn State. What were they supposed to do?

Penn State did what they had to do. Still, as someone who grew up in that area, it's a shame to me that we'll never see this conference:

Penn State
UConn
Syracuse
Boston College
Navy
Maryland
Pitt
West Virginia
Temple
Army

Rivalries and regional ties galore.

(11-18-2019 11:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:36 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Things are working out pretty well for Penn State. What were they supposed to do?

Penn State did what they had to do. Still, as someone who grew up in that area, it's a shame to me that we'll never see this conference:

Penn State
UConn
Syracuse
Boston College
Navy
Maryland
Pitt
West Virginia
Temple
Army

Rivalries and regional ties galore.

That would have been great. I don't think it was ever particularly likely to happen even if Penn State made the decision to spearhead it's creation.

(11-18-2019 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  Rice in the Mountain West would work. Give them some more baseball pedigree.

Rice in the MWC would be mutually beneficial, particularly if the MWC also adds another Texas school or two.

How so? Are 1015pm kickoffs good for Rice fans? Are 5pm weekday basketball games good for Fresno fans? Are 9pm weekday tipoffs good for Rice fans? Rice doesn’t have very many fans to begin with, but how are late kickoffs and tips good for the few that want to watch the games?

(11-18-2019 11:12 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  Rice in the Mountain West would work. Give them some more baseball pedigree.

Rice in the MWC would be mutually beneficial, particularly if the MWC also adds another Texas school or two.

As a Boise St fan, I hope our future is outside the MWC. However, a Texas quadrant of UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, and Rice would serve the conference well in recruiting and visibility. I hope not to be a part of it by then though.

Boise bails, and leaves the MWC with a bunch of lousy football schools. The only decent one is UNT. They can stay where they are. Also, Boise isn’t going anywhere soon.


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(11-18-2019 11:47 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  Rice in the Mountain West would work. Give them some more baseball pedigree.

Rice in the MWC would be mutually beneficial, particularly if the MWC also adds another Texas school or two.

How so? Are 1015pm kickoffs good for Rice fans? Are 5pm weekday basketball games good for Fresno fans? Are 9pm weekday tipoffs good for Rice fans? Rice doesn’t have very many fans to begin with, but how are late kickoffs and tips good for the few that want to watch the games?

Bad argument. In a 14 team MWC, Rice would be in the Mountain division, which is just an hour off. They wouldn’t be playing Hawaii and California teams every week.

Boise would shift to the West division where they would get more Cali exposure.

(11-18-2019 11:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 09:10 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Yeah no

The SWC and Big 8 both failed and neither is ever coming back because that model is dead.

The B12 was and is a loveless marriage of politics and convenience created purely for television dollars and every single one of its current members would abandon it in a second if they got a stand alone offer from their P4 conference of choice

Maybe Maryland fans are feeling remorse but we sure as hell arent

The Texas and Oklahoma schools are pretty much right where they want to be. But everyone would like more money. Missouri's dream conference is the Big 10. If the Big 12 offered the money and stability of the SEC (which of course it doesn't), Missouri would be back in the Big 12 with the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. If money and stability were no factors, Nebraska would rather be in the Big 8 (or a Big 1g2 where they get OU every year).

Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.