(11-18-2019 11:56 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:12 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  Rice in the Mountain West would work. Give them some more baseball pedigree.

Rice in the MWC would be mutually beneficial, particularly if the MWC also adds another Texas school or two.

As a Boise St fan, I hope our future is outside the MWC. However, a Texas quadrant of UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, and Rice would serve the conference well in recruiting and visibility. I hope not to be a part of it by then though.

Boise bails, and leaves the MWC with a bunch of lousy football schools. The only decent one is UNT. They can stay where they are. Also, Boise isn’t going anywhere soon.


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Maybe, maybe not.

I do think the key indicator of a school worth expanding for is whether they are worth the expansion even if their athletics are in the gutter. I don’t think Boise St realistically is. I do think a school like Colorado St or San Diego St or UNLV or New Mexico could be - maybe not today but a much better chance than Boise St has.

(11-17-2019 11:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 05:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:59 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I think it's weird that Rice isn't in the same conference as SMU, Tulane and Tulsa.

Third hand story is their President told ours the AAC would fail and CUSA was a safer bet.

FWIW—I heard something similar. I heard Banowski told Mack Rhodes that the AAC/Big East would fail and that UH (or any of the other schools that left) should understand that CUSA will not welcome them back when the AAC collapsed. That said, I have a feeling that the C7 and Notre Dame looking hard at leaving the Big East was a poorly kept secret as far back as late 2011.

Makes sense.

There was undoubtedly a prevailing thought that BEF/AAC would/could fail, since there was radical movement everywhere at the time, the league was very unstable in the near term. There were rumors about UConn/UC possibly staying with the C7 (and football going to the MWC). Boise State and San Diego State both got cold feet and found it more beneficial to stay in the MWC. The potential outcomes were endless.

One of those potential outcomes was absolutely the C-USA call-ups potentially saying "to heck with this" and just staying in C-USA in order to have stability and eliminate the uncertainty. It truly was musical chairs, and somebody was going to end up with somewhere to sit when the song stopped.

FWIW, the basketball schools had always had discussions about potentially breaking away and establishing a new conference (it almost happened in the mid-2000's). I think it did not become a realistic possibility until it was learned that Fox needed the winter programming for FS1, and valued the C7/Northeast content greater than the planned reorganized hybrid national model that the Big East was looking like.

From my understanding, those talks did not pick up steam until Notre Dame announced its departure in September 2012.

(11-18-2019 12:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 09:10 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Yeah no

The SWC and Big 8 both failed and neither is ever coming back because that model is dead.

The B12 was and is a loveless marriage of politics and convenience created purely for television dollars and every single one of its current members would abandon it in a second if they got a stand alone offer from their P4 conference of choice

Maybe Maryland fans are feeling remorse but we sure as hell arent

The Texas and Oklahoma schools are pretty much right where they want to be. But everyone would like more money. Missouri's dream conference is the Big 10. If the Big 12 offered the money and stability of the SEC (which of course it doesn't), Missouri would be back in the Big 12 with the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. If money and stability were no factors, Nebraska would rather be in the Big 8 (or a Big 1g2 where they get OU every year).

Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.

I think OU would love to simply have the old Big 8 back and play UT annually out of conference.

But I also believe they are very serious about the B1G and if the B1G offers them a slot and they can escape OSU (much easier now that TB Pickens is gone) then they would go.

At that point the B12 falls apart because even though Austin gets all the hype, OU is what makes the B12 a legitimate FB conference

(11-18-2019 12:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:47 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:43 PM)esayem Wrote:  Rice in the Mountain West would work. Give them some more baseball pedigree.

Rice in the MWC would be mutually beneficial, particularly if the MWC also adds another Texas school or two.

How so? Are 1015pm kickoffs good for Rice fans? Are 5pm weekday basketball games good for Fresno fans? Are 9pm weekday tipoffs good for Rice fans? Rice doesn’t have very many fans to begin with, but how are late kickoffs and tips good for the few that want to watch the games?

Bad argument. In a 14 team MWC, Rice would be in the Mountain division, which is just an hour off. They wouldn’t be playing Hawaii and California teams every week.

Boise would shift to the West division where they would get more Cali exposure.

What makes you think the MWC wants anything to do with Rice? They are trying to get football higher ranked as a conference, Rice and UTEP bring it down. Keep them where they belong.


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(11-18-2019 01:17 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 12:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 09:10 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Yeah no

The SWC and Big 8 both failed and neither is ever coming back because that model is dead.

The B12 was and is a loveless marriage of politics and convenience created purely for television dollars and every single one of its current members would abandon it in a second if they got a stand alone offer from their P4 conference of choice

Maybe Maryland fans are feeling remorse but we sure as hell arent

The Texas and Oklahoma schools are pretty much right where they want to be. But everyone would like more money. Missouri's dream conference is the Big 10. If the Big 12 offered the money and stability of the SEC (which of course it doesn't), Missouri would be back in the Big 12 with the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. If money and stability were no factors, Nebraska would rather be in the Big 8 (or a Big 1g2 where they get OU every year).

Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.

I think OU would love to simply have the old Big 8 back and play UT annually out of conference.

But I also believe they are very serious about the B1G and if the B1G offers them a slot and they can escape OSU (much easier now that TB Pickens is gone) then they would go.

At that point the B12 falls apart because even though Austin gets all the hype, OU is what makes the B12 a legitimate FB conference

Also, there are rumblings the Az. Schools want out of PAC and want to go to B12. This would shake it all up.


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(11-18-2019 11:33 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  The Ivy League just doesn't really have the incentive to expand. It's a compact, non scholarship, athletic league that perfectly serves the needs of member schools.

If they ever did expand I suspect it'd be from someone like the Patriot league

Maybe MIT or Johns Hopkins from Div. III.

Would the Ivy offer-no.
Would Rice accept-yes.

Rice really needs a Magnolia League of academically elite and/or private schools but as long as programs like Vandy, Duke, UNC, UVA, GT, Baylor, and TCU are in P5 leagues there isn’t an interest in forming such a conference.

You could do it with just D1 teams not in the P5 too.


Rice
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Richmond
Buffalo
Navy
Army
Air Force
Colgate (if you need a 10th)

(11-18-2019 02:44 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  You could do it with just D1 teams not in the P5 too.


Rice
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Richmond
Buffalo
Navy
Army
Air Force
Colgate (if you need a 10th)

I was laughing so hard at Richmond I almost missed the more hilarious Colgate.

Also, the Ivy is non-scholarship inasmuch as pretty much every non-plutocrat gets free tuition at most schools thanks to their ridiculous endowments.

(11-18-2019 01:50 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 01:17 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 12:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  The Texas and Oklahoma schools are pretty much right where they want to be. But everyone would like more money. Missouri's dream conference is the Big 10. If the Big 12 offered the money and stability of the SEC (which of course it doesn't), Missouri would be back in the Big 12 with the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. If money and stability were no factors, Nebraska would rather be in the Big 8 (or a Big 1g2 where they get OU every year).

Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.

I think OU would love to simply have the old Big 8 back and play UT annually out of conference.

But I also believe they are very serious about the B1G and if the B1G offers them a slot and they can escape OSU (much easier now that TB Pickens is gone) then they would go.

At that point the B12 falls apart because even though Austin gets all the hype, OU is what makes the B12 a legitimate FB conference

Also, there are rumblings the Az. Schools want out of PAC and want to go to B12. This would shake it all up.


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Simply not true

No P4 teams want to join the B12

Particularly 2 that depend on Southern California for students and recruits

(11-18-2019 03:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 01:50 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 01:17 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 12:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.

I think OU would love to simply have the old Big 8 back and play UT annually out of conference.

But I also believe they are very serious about the B1G and if the B1G offers them a slot and they can escape OSU (much easier now that TB Pickens is gone) then they would go.

At that point the B12 falls apart because even though Austin gets all the hype, OU is what makes the B12 a legitimate FB conference

Also, there are rumblings the Az. Schools want out of PAC and want to go to B12. This would shake it all up.


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Simply not true

No P4 teams want to join the B12

Particularly 2 that depend on Southern California for students and recruits

You've been hanging around too many Aggies. You sound just like all those people on Texags.com.

(11-18-2019 01:17 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 12:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 09:10 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Yeah no

The SWC and Big 8 both failed and neither is ever coming back because that model is dead.

The B12 was and is a loveless marriage of politics and convenience created purely for television dollars and every single one of its current members would abandon it in a second if they got a stand alone offer from their P4 conference of choice

Maybe Maryland fans are feeling remorse but we sure as hell arent

The Texas and Oklahoma schools are pretty much right where they want to be. But everyone would like more money. Missouri's dream conference is the Big 10. If the Big 12 offered the money and stability of the SEC (which of course it doesn't), Missouri would be back in the Big 12 with the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. If money and stability were no factors, Nebraska would rather be in the Big 8 (or a Big 1g2 where they get OU every year).

Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.

I think OU would love to simply have the old Big 8 back and play UT annually out of conference.

But I also believe they are very serious about the B1G and if the B1G offers them a slot and they can escape OSU (much easier now that TB Pickens is gone) then they would go.

At that point the B12 falls apart because even though Austin gets all the hype, OU is what makes the B12 a legitimate FB conference

That's why the entire Big 8 should combine with the PAC and B1G in a 32 team grouping that could be divided in any of multiple ways.
Oklahoma could still play Texas ooc.

(11-18-2019 08:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 01:17 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 12:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 10:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  The Texas and Oklahoma schools are pretty much right where they want to be. But everyone would like more money. Missouri's dream conference is the Big 10. If the Big 12 offered the money and stability of the SEC (which of course it doesn't), Missouri would be back in the Big 12 with the Kansas and Oklahoma schools. If money and stability were no factors, Nebraska would rather be in the Big 8 (or a Big 1g2 where they get OU every year).

Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.

I think OU would love to simply have the old Big 8 back and play UT annually out of conference.

But I also believe they are very serious about the B1G and if the B1G offers them a slot and they can escape OSU (much easier now that TB Pickens is gone) then they would go.

At that point the B12 falls apart because even though Austin gets all the hype, OU is what makes the B12 a legitimate FB conference

That's why the entire Big 8 should combine with the PAC and B1G in a 32 team grouping that could be divided in any of multiple ways.
Oklahoma could still play Texas ooc.

PAC 12 + B1G 14 + OK / OKST / KS / KSST / MZ / IAST = 32 = New B1G
Other 32 = New SEC
ND still independent?

New B1G
West: WA WAST OR ORST CAL STAN USC UCLA
South: AZ AZST UT CO OK OKST KSST NE
North: KS MZ IA IAST MN WI IL NW
East: IN PURD MI MIST OHST PAST MD RUTG

New SEC
West: TX TXAM TT TCU BAY AR LSU MS
South: MSST BAMA AUB TN VAN GA FL SC
East: FLST GT CLEM NC NCST DUKE WF VA
North: BC SYR PITT WV VT KY LV MIA

(11-18-2019 08:57 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 08:49 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 01:17 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 12:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:25 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Money and stability are exactly why every current B12 member would jump for a P4 conference if they could (IE they had an invite and didn’t have to worry about little brother politics)

OU already tried to leave for the PAC and would love to join NU in the B1G. So would KU. The other Big 8 programs would sell their souls to tag along on that ride.

The Texas little brothers are in the same boat.

I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.

I think OU would love to simply have the old Big 8 back and play UT annually out of conference.

But I also believe they are very serious about the B1G and if the B1G offers them a slot and they can escape OSU (much easier now that TB Pickens is gone) then they would go.

At that point the B12 falls apart because even though Austin gets all the hype, OU is what makes the B12 a legitimate FB conference

That's why the entire Big 8 should combine with the PAC and B1G in a 32 team grouping that could be divided in any of multiple ways.
Oklahoma could still play Texas ooc.

PAC 12 + B1G 14 + OK / OKST / KS / KSST / MZ / IAST = 32 = New B1G
Other 32 = New SEC
ND still independent?

New B1G
West: WA WAST OR ORST CAL STAN USC UCLA
South: AZ AZST UT CO OK OKST KSST NE
North: KS MZ IA IAST MN WI IL NW
East: IN PURD MI MIST OHST PAST MD RUTG

New SEC ACC
West: TX TXAM TT TCU BAY AR LSU MS
South: MSST BAMA AUB TN VAN GA FL SC
East: FLST GT CLEM NC NCST DUKE WF VA
North: BC SYR PITT WV VT KY LV MIA

ND would still be independent.

(11-18-2019 08:19 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 03:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 01:50 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 01:17 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 12:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  I still believe Texas and OU are where they want to be. Do you really see Texas accepting an invite to another conference to be 2nd or 3rd fiddle? They feel like they run the Big XII. I don’t buy that OU was every seriously considering the PAC. Makes zero sense.

In a few years we will what they all decide. Everyone has a price and if the money is just too good then someone might move if invited. I just don’t think it will be either of the top dogs.

I think OU would love to simply have the old Big 8 back and play UT annually out of conference.

But I also believe they are very serious about the B1G and if the B1G offers them a slot and they can escape OSU (much easier now that TB Pickens is gone) then they would go.

At that point the B12 falls apart because even though Austin gets all the hype, OU is what makes the B12 a legitimate FB conference

Also, there are rumblings the Az. Schools want out of PAC and want to go to B12. This would shake it all up.


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Simply not true

No P4 teams want to join the B12

Particularly 2 that depend on Southern California for students and recruits

You've been hanging around too many Aggies. You sound just like all those people on Texags.com.

Are you saying I’m wrong?

If so then which P4 teams do you think seriously want to join your league?

If I were to list five NCAA D-I universities/athletic programs with the most unusual situations (notwithstanding Army, Air Force, Navy and Notre Dame) — enrollment size, conference affiliation history, academics, geographic location, being elite in one sport (baseball in this case), location in a city with another D-I program (Houston), etc. — Rice makes the list.

It is such an "special animal" that it is almost impossible to fully foresee how things can unfold for the Owl program. But I wish Rice well.

Hawaii would make the list, as would BYU. Not sure about the other two, though Miami (Florida) would be considered. Pitt might round out my top five.

the Ivy League's commonality is not just from being academically elite schools, but they have the history of being colonial colleges, so there's nearly no chance they'd ever expand. The only non-colonial Ivy League school is Cornell, and they joined when they were founded shortly after the Ivy League athletic conference was founded in the late 1800s.

There's only two colonials that aren't in the Ivy League, and that was by choice (they decided to go public instead): Rutgers and William & Mary.

If they ever add a new school to the league, it certainly would not be all the way out in Texas. If anything it'd probably be MIT and Tufts or something like that.

(11-18-2019 11:42 PM)AntiG Wrote:  the Ivy League's commonality is not just from being academically elite schools, but they have the history of being colonial colleges, so there's nearly no chance they'd ever expand. The only non-colonial Ivy League school is Cornell, and they joined when they were founded shortly after the Ivy League athletic conference was founded in the late 1800s.

There's only two colonials that aren't in the Ivy League, and that was by choice (they decided to go public instead): Rutgers and William & Mary.

If they ever add a new school to the league, it certainly would not be all the way out in Texas. If anything it'd probably be MIT and Tufts or something like that.

My dark-horse bet would be Johns Hopkins.

10th Mountain, what you say may be true, but I see Notre Dame throwing a monkey wrench into the works somewhere. The reason I say that is that many have said if there is a P4, ND will be forced to join a conference. Therefore, it is ND's best interest that the Big 12 continue to exist. ND may not "officially" assist the Big 12, but I can see a lot of backroom, private deals made.

lol @ Richmond. Not just in that one poster’s proposed league, just in general about everything. Lol @ Richmond.