(11-24-2019 10:18 AM)dsquare Wrote: At the risk of being repetitive as i can't review all 30 pages, who was it that blocked the extra point? I thought in the replay on the screen it was 51 Metz, but Bryant got all the play with the return. Whoever got it deserves some praise.
I thought they said Metz in the stadium. Aside from his 19 penalties, it turns out Metz had the play of the game.
Yea, the tv crew i think was all caught up in the return and forgot about the play that created it. It really caught them off guard. You do not see a lot of blocked xp's. I missed it on the replay and have not seen it in any articles. Funny
(11-23-2019 10:49 PM)crex043 Wrote: I'm afraid the scope is greater than ten wins or a Top 25 ranking. We are on the cusp of potentially program-defining wins over the next three games, culminating in the possible opportunity to slay a college football Goliath. This is one of the few things missing from our resume. I hope this isn't lost on this coaching staff.
(11-24-2019 07:57 AM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote: It’s not too late in the season to change things up. I believe OSU started Cardale Jones in the Big 10 Title game for the first time ever and you know the end result.
Bryant had a Georgia Offer. Ridder had.....an EKU offer?
I would start Bryant this week and let Ridder heal then evaluate for the championship game. I just can’t see Ridder being effective and healthy on a short week.
You are not the head coach though.
Well the Head Coach doesn't seem to be posting here so I guess we'll have to keeep using the forum as a place for fans to voice their opinions. I mean if that's OK with you and coach (and of course the ultimate decider: Des himself) of course. I think we all get that in the end the HC (well technically in this case it looks like it's actually Des ) gets to make the final call. And personally I give the HC a lot of deference given his knowledge and proximity to the situation. But frankly coach's contradictory comments (see my earlier post) aren't very compelling and even service to undermine his public credibility a bit. And just because he's presumably a much better overall football coach than anybody else here does not make him infallible. It doesn't even matter if you are a stat guy or a "I see what I see" guy, the evidence all point to a key player who cannot get the needed job done in his current condition. It hurts the TEAM's performance and even seems to be starting to alienate fans if that matters.
Aside from the tired and inane "you're not the HC" rhetoric, as best as I can tell the main counter-argument is that Des is some kind of magical "winner" whose very presence on the field wills both teams and the officials to ultimately perform in such a manner that UC eventually wins by a hair as if he's a living, breathing good luck charm. Unless something changes in the next few days, we'll soon find out if Memphis believes it too. I hope they do for our sake.
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(11-23-2019 10:49 PM)crex043 Wrote: I'm afraid the scope is greater than ten wins or a Top 25 ranking. We are on the cusp of potentially program-defining wins over the next three games, culminating in the possible opportunity to slay a college football Goliath. This is one of the few things missing from our resume. I hope this isn't lost on this coaching staff.
(11-24-2019 07:57 AM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote: It’s not too late in the season to change things up. I believe OSU started Cardale Jones in the Big 10 Title game for the first time ever and you know the end result.
Bryant had a Georgia Offer. Ridder had.....an EKU offer?
I would start Bryant this week and let Ridder heal then evaluate for the championship game. I just can’t see Ridder being effective and healthy on a short week.
You are not the head coach though.
He's not. And this is not coach's office. It's a message board. He's allowed to state his opinion. Not sure why you keep bellitling people for doing so.
How is that belittling someone? Where did I state he could not state his opinion?
Because you're providing no substance to a conversation and telling someone his opinion doesn't matter because he's not the coach. None of us the coach so we might as well shut the forum down.
Obviously coaches know way more than us and see them on a daily basis but some people on here act like coaches don't ever make mistakes and are infallible in their decision making.
If you and the coaches think Bryant can't give more than what we've got from Ridder these past 2 games he should not be on the team.
When I ran track we had people who ran good times in high school but if by year two orthree hthey weren't coming close those times anymore they were off the team. If someone was faster than you you would get replaced in relays. Thank God that's objective and not a 40 person effort.
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(11-23-2019 10:49 PM)crex043 Wrote: I'm afraid the scope is greater than ten wins or a Top 25 ranking. We are on the cusp of potentially program-defining wins over the next three games, culminating in the possible opportunity to slay a college football Goliath. This is one of the few things missing from our resume. I hope this isn't lost on this coaching staff.
(11-24-2019 07:57 AM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote: It’s not too late in the season to change things up. I believe OSU started Cardale Jones in the Big 10 Title game for the first time ever and you know the end result.
Bryant had a Georgia Offer. Ridder had.....an EKU offer?
I would start Bryant this week and let Ridder heal then evaluate for the championship game. I just can’t see Ridder being effective and healthy on a short week.
You are not the head coach though.
Well the Head Coach doesn't seem to be posting here so I guess we'll have to keeep using the forum as a place for fans to voice their opinions. I mean if that's OK with you and coach (and of course the ultimate decider: Des himself) of course. I think we all get that in the end the HC (well technically in this case it looks like it's actually Des ) gets to make the final call. And personally I give the HC a lot of deference given his knowledge and proximity to the situation. But frankly coach's contradictory comments (see my earlier post) aren't very compelling and even service to undermine his public credibility a bit. And just because he's presumably a much better overall football coach than anybody else here does not make him infallible. It doesn't even matter if you are a stat guy or a "I see what I see" guy, the evidence all point to a key player who cannot get the needed job done in his current condition. It hurts the TEAM's performance and even seems to be starting to alienate fans if that matters.
Aside from the "you're not the HC" rhetoric, as best as I can tell the main counter-argument is that Des is some kind of magical "winner" whose very presence on the field wills both teams and the officials to ultimately perform in such a manner that UC eventually wins by a hair as if he's a living, breathing good luck charm. I guess we all believe what we want to believe in the end. Unless something changes in the next few days, we'll soon find out if Memphis believes it too. I hope they do for our sake.
(11-24-2019 10:33 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote: ^^^
Whoa, 2 posts at the same time using the word infallible!? Hawk, how many screen names ya got?
I think it's the ragpicker effect. Anyone who posts after him in a thread seems infinitely more intelligent.
(11-24-2019 08:08 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: I would start Bryant this week and let Ridder heal then evaluate for the championship game. I just can’t see Ridder being effective and healthy on a short week.
You are not the head coach though.
He's not. And this is not coach's office. It's a message board. He's allowed to state his opinion. Not sure why you keep bellitling people for doing so.
How is that belittling someone? Where did I state he could not state his opinion?
Because you're providing no substance to a conversation and telling someone his opinion doesn't matter because he's not the coach. None of us the coach so we might as well shut the forum down.
Obviously coaches know way more than us and see them on a daily basis but some people on here act like coaches don't ever make mistakes and are infallible in their decision making.
If you and the coaches think Bryant can't give more than what we've got from Ridder these past 2 games he should not be on the team.
When I ran track we had people who ran good times in high school but if by year two orthree hthey weren't coming close those times anymore they were off the team. If someone was faster than you you would get replaced in relays. Thank God that's objective and not a 40 person effort.
(11-23-2019 10:49 PM)crex043 Wrote: I'm afraid the scope is greater than ten wins or a Top 25 ranking. We are on the cusp of potentially program-defining wins over the next three games, culminating in the possible opportunity to slay a college football Goliath. This is one of the few things missing from our resume. I hope this isn't lost on this coaching staff.
(11-24-2019 07:57 AM)Nasty Nati 513 Wrote: It’s not too late in the season to change things up. I believe OSU started Cardale Jones in the Big 10 Title game for the first time ever and you know the end result.
Bryant had a Georgia Offer. Ridder had.....an EKU offer?
I would start Bryant this week and let Ridder heal then evaluate for the championship game. I just can’t see Ridder being effective and healthy on a short week.
You are not the head coach though.
Well the Head Coach doesn't seem to be posting here so I guess we'll have to keeep using the forum as a place for fans to voice their opinions. I mean if that's OK with you and coach (and of course the ultimate decider: Des himself) of course. I think we all get that in the end the HC (well technically in this case it looks like it's actually Des ) gets to make the final call. And personally I give the HC a lot of deference given his knowledge and proximity to the situation. But frankly coach's contradictory comments (see my earlier post) aren't very compelling and even service to undermine his public credibility a bit. And just because he's presumably a much better overall football coach than anybody else here does not make him infallible. It doesn't even matter if you are a stat guy or a "I see what I see" guy, the evidence all point to a key player who cannot get the needed job done in his current condition. It hurts the TEAM's performance and even seems to be starting to alienate fans if that matters.
Aside from the "you're not the HC" rhetoric, as best as I can tell the main counter-argument is that Des is some kind of magical "winner" whose very presence on the field wills both teams and the officials to ultimately perform in such a manner that UC eventually wins by a hair as if he's a living, breathing good luck charm. I guess we all believe what we want to believe in the end. Unless something changes in the next few days, we'll soon find out if Memphis believes it too. I hope they do for our sake.
(11-24-2019 10:33 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote: ^^^
Whoa, 2 posts at the same time using the word infallible!? Hawk, how many screen names ya got?
I think it's the ragpicker effect. Anyone who posts after him in a thread seems infinitely more intelligent.
Wow, I'm in your every thought now. Do you get excited typing out each key of my name, Sweetie? On second thought, thats really creepy you thinking about me so much. How many restraining orders with your name on it?
Or are you just a 10yr old in the basement of Mommy's house in Finneytown? Maybe you really went to Xavier and you can only afford Mommy's basement.
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2019 01:17 PM by Ragpicker.)
(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!
Even accounting for the drops he would have still been well below 50% completion percentage. I’d also say other QB’s also suffer from drops and rarely does a starter have this many games with a 50% completion percentage, or lower. Especially the 36% that I believe Ridder had last night.
His passing is completely indefensible. I know someone is going to mention his 21-3 record. If we lose Friday are those people defending him going to claim he’s 21-4? If we then lose the CCG are those people going to claim he’s 21-5? At what point have his defenders seen enough to realize he is not contributing to these wins and is being propped up by the Defense, Special Teams, and the Run Game?
(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!
Even accounting for the drops he would have still been well below 50% completion percentage. I’d also say other QB’s also suffer from drops and rarely does a starter have this many games with a 50% completion percentage, or lower. Especially the 36% that I believe Ridder had last night.
His passing is completely indefensible. I know someone is going to mention his 21-3 record. If we lose Friday are those people defending him going to claim he’s 21-4? If we then lose the CCG are those people going to claim he’s 21-5? At what point have his defenders seen enough to realize he is not contributing to these wins and is being propped up by the Defense, Special Teams, and the Run Game?
He technically gets 18 more losses to put it together to stay above .500.
(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!
Even accounting for the drops he would have still been well below 50% completion percentage. I’d also say other QB’s also suffer from drops and rarely does a starter have this many games with a 50% completion percentage, or lower. Especially the 36% that I believe Ridder had last night.
His passing is completely indefensible. I know someone is going to mention his 21-3 record. If we lose Friday are those people defending him going to claim he’s 21-4? If we then lose the CCG are those people going to claim he’s 21-5? At what point have his defenders seen enough to realize he is not contributing to these wins and is being propped up by the Defense, Special Teams, and the Run Game?
If we lose...
If we then lose...
Paranoia is such a wonderful place to make coaching suggestions.
(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!
Even accounting for the drops he would have still been well below 50% completion percentage. I’d also say other QB’s also suffer from drops and rarely does a starter have this many games with a 50% completion percentage, or lower. Especially the 36% that I believe Ridder had last night.
His passing is completely indefensible. I know someone is going to mention his 21-3 record. If we lose Friday are those people defending him going to claim he’s 21-4? If we then lose the CCG are those people going to claim he’s 21-5? At what point have his defenders seen enough to realize he is not contributing to these wins and is being propped up by the Defense, Special Teams, and the Run Game?
If we lose...
If we then lose...
Paranoia is such a wonderful place to make coaching suggestions.
2+2=4. That was easy.
"I think it's the ragpicker effect. Anyone who posts after him in a thread seems infinitely more intelligent."
(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!
Even accounting for the drops he would have still been well below 50% completion percentage. I’d also say other QB’s also suffer from drops and rarely does a starter have this many games with a 50% completion percentage, or lower. Especially the 36% that I believe Ridder had last night.
His passing is completely indefensible. I know someone is going to mention his 21-3 record. If we lose Friday are those people defending him going to claim he’s 21-4? If we then lose the CCG are those people going to claim he’s 21-5? At what point have his defenders seen enough to realize he is not contributing to these wins and is being propped up by the Defense, Special Teams, and the Run Game?
If we lose...
If we then lose...
Paranoia is such a wonderful place to make coaching suggestions.
2+2=4. That was easy.
"I think it's the ragpicker effect. Anyone who posts after him in a thread seems infinitely more intelligent."
Another member of the fan club!
Of course you all are fan club members of the backup QB that never plays. How is Finley been working out? You guys probably like the way he loses games better than Dalton. He passes your losing eye test.
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You can have a great baseball team but that doesn't mean the CF hitting .111 should stay in the lineup. I'm thrilled with this season. I've loved getting down to nippert the last 2 years. Our quarterback has been bad the last month. Not sure how anyone could watch and feel any other way.
(11-24-2019 03:26 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: You can have a great baseball team but that doesn't mean the CF hitting .111 should stay in the lineup. I'm thrilled with this season. I've loved getting down to nippert the last 2 years. Our quarterback has been bad the last month. Not sure how anyone could watch and feel any other way.
Thank you. No idea if the backup is better but what we see every weekend isn’t good.
(11-24-2019 03:26 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: You can have a great baseball team but that doesn't mean the CF hitting .111 should stay in the lineup. I'm thrilled with this season. I've loved getting down to nippert the last 2 years. Our quarterback has been bad the last month. Not sure how anyone could watch and feel any other way.
Thank you. No idea if the backup is better but what we see every weekend isn’t good.
Then blame Fickell for not putting Bryant in for meaningful minutes during the season. Temple subs in a backup QB each half. Bryant should have played early against Miami, Marshall and UConn.
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2019 03:44 PM by Ragpicker.)
(11-23-2019 11:57 PM)Ragpicker Wrote: Ridder wasn't great - but way too many drops tonight. Even his one interception should have been caught. Deguara dropped a TD. Jackson dropped a short 3rd down pass when UC was driving. Des protected the ball, used his legs, fed a successful rushing attack - and Won!
Even accounting for the drops he would have still been well below 50% completion percentage. I’d also say other QB’s also suffer from drops and rarely does a starter have this many games with a 50% completion percentage, or lower. Especially the 36% that I believe Ridder had last night.
His passing is completely indefensible. I know someone is going to mention his 21-3 record. If we lose Friday are those people defending him going to claim he’s 21-4? If we then lose the CCG are those people going to claim he’s 21-5? At what point have his defenders seen enough to realize he is not contributing to these wins and is being propped up by the Defense, Special Teams, and the Run Game?
If we lose...
If we then lose...
Paranoia is such a wonderful place to make coaching suggestions.
Unless you believe we will go undefeated for Ridder’s remaining 2+ years it’s pretty close to a guarantee that we will lose at some point over the next 2+ years. My question is what is your excuse at that point?
In Football you evaluate players based on performing their assignments not win/loss records. I wonder if you would evaluate other positions on the team based on the win/loss record? Since we are winning does that mean that a CB that gives up 5 TD’s should continue to keep his job? If one Offensive Lineman was responsible for 6 sacks in a game and 4 false starts does he continue to keep starting because the remaining players somehow picked up his slack?
It’s painfully obvious that Ridder’s play is hurting the team far more than helping them. Whether it’s due to injury, lack of confidence, regressing, or any other reason the coaches have to look at all options to try and win the remaining games and after watching Ridder I’d rather see what Bryant, or any of the QB’s on the roster, have to offer.
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) gets to make the final call. And personally I give the HC a lot of deference given his knowledge and proximity to the situation. But frankly coach's contradictory comments (see my earlier post) aren't very compelling and even service to undermine his public credibility a bit. And just because he's presumably a much better overall football coach than anybody else here does not make him infallible. It doesn't even matter if you are a stat guy or a "I see what I see" guy, the evidence all point to a key player who cannot get the needed job done in his current condition. It hurts the TEAM's performance and even seems to be starting to alienate fans if that matters.
