(08-23-2019 06:51 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 06:57 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  #8 WKU

No team in C-USA brings back more starters than WKU and I think that could only help their performance on the field. Add in the fact that Stock finally graduated from Middle, and ODU lost almost everyone, and their should be plenty of opportunity for upward mobility in the east. Even WKU's OOC schedule (Louisville, Army, & Arkansas) is spread throughout the season, and should save the Toppers from what probably would have been a grueling stretch at the start.

My prediction for WKU 5-7 (4-4)
W- Central Arkansas
L- @FIU
L- Louisville
W- UAB
W- @ODU
L- Army
W- Charlotte
L- @Marshall
L- FAU
L- @Arkansas
L- @Southern Miss
W- Middle Tennessee

Hopefully you enjoy debating, and the WKU portion won't devolve into another WKU attendance rant. I should post my #7 on tomorrow.

Seems fair, wouldn't surprise me if we win 6-7 games, kids will be up for UofL in Nashville...

Agreed. I think we can win 1 of the games against UofL, FAU, and Arkansas to get to 6 wins on the year.

Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

(08-23-2019 11:17 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

Trust me unless BW pulls something out of his magic hat we are staring at another losing season here at ODU. I hope i am wrong but ODU fans are well aware of our situation and how we are more than likely gonna end with a below .500 season.

(08-23-2019 11:17 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

Guessing you did not read what I put this time last year, I said WKU would be lucky to win two games. Most WKU Fans had similar views....I have no idea how ODU, UNCC fans think they will not finish below .500 when they finish below .500 almost every season....At least WKU has won every season but two......As far as MTSU, their schedule is brutal and life with Stockstill could prove difficult...

WKU is a wildcard this year. They scared the world piss outta us last year, so people should take notice of what they are capable of.

(08-23-2019 11:17 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

And where did you have Marshall in 2016?

But here you go just for you. Here's where I have MT...

4-8 (after a 1-7 start).

(08-23-2019 11:17 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

I’ll speak for myself and Charlotte and say sure we could finish less than .500. You say that if all breaks right, we go 5-7.
I say if all breaks right, we can win as many as eight games. We won five last season and don’t lose nearly as much personnel as much as ODU, Middle, FAU, who we beat UMASS, who we lost to.

We added UTEP to the schedule and play a pasty FCS team.

I was told on this board last year we’d win two games, I was told on this board that USM and FAU would drag us.

The Atlantic pre season 130 is telling me that Charlotte is playing 4 teams plus Gardner Webb who are ranked lower than us with Middle being just two places ahead.
PFF is telling me that Charlotte is playing against five sub 100 qb’s (plus Gardner Webb).
The CUSA coaches tell me have the best running back in the conference, and the best kicker. The national media tell me we have two olinemen up for award, a DL on the senior bowl watch team.

But you tell me that you don’t see wins on the schedule.....


This is easily the best team Charlotte has fielded, and it may not show up in the win loss column, but this team, can compete (with the exception of Clemson) with everyone they step on the field with.

(08-22-2019 08:24 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 09:07 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 09:04 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 08:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 08:25 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  To enhance your credibility - and with all due respect - put out predictions you would truly put money on. I would put up my house against this prediction and sleep like a baby.

Ha! I don't gamble. But, I'd like to know where you see more wins for ODU?

I don’t gamble either - but predictions should be made with the seriousness of real money on the line. Causes one to pause and changes everything. As far as more wins, look to the home games - and just random chance (49-35). Again, I would put my house up against your prediction and sleep like a baby. Not sure if you would do the same.

ya know, you could just answer his question instead of stupid rhetoric...specifics...not just "home games"...which home games? which random chance games?

“thor” stay out of an on-going exchange between two men. But since you interjected, I’m not going to put much effort responding to an absurd prediction - except to put it in perspective. No fool would put money on his prediction, which is the true test of any prediction. And - CLT - we’ve got your number this year

You seem to be the only one getting bent out of shape over my ODU prediction. We are already half way through the predictions and you are still obsessing over #14. I have yet to see any other fans argue in favor of your position. That should tell you something.

Now we move to the programs I consider near locks for bowl games...

#7 UAB

Yes UAB lost several players, but Clark has a history of winning, and in my opinion, is one of the top coaches in C-USA. Plus, UAB brings back almost half of the conference's best defense. UAB plays a weak OOC schedule, and drew two of the weakest western programs for their crossover games. After winning early in the season, I expect UAB to struggle down the stretch. But, even taking a step back, UAB should be able to post a winning record with their schedule.

My prediction for UAB 7-5 (4-4)
W- Alabama St.
W- @Akron
W- S. Alabama
L- @WKU
W- Rice
W- @ UTSA
W- ODU
L- @Tennessee
L- @Southern Miss
W- UTEP
L- LA Tech
L- @North Texas

Enjoy debating. I'll try to post my #6 tomorrow.

(08-23-2019 06:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Now we move to the programs I consider near locks for bowl games...

#7 UAB

Yes UAB lost several players, but Clark has a history of winning, and in my opinion, is one of the top coaches in C-USA. Plus, UAB brings back almost half of the conference's best defense. UAB plays a weak OOC schedule, and drew two of the weakest western programs for their crossover games. After winning early in the season, I expect UAB to struggle down the stretch. But, even taking a step back, UAB should be able to post a winning record with their schedule.

My prediction for UAB 7-5 (4-4)
W- Alabama St.
W- @Akron
W- S. Alabama
L- @WKU
W- Rice
W- @ UTSA
W- ODU
L- @Tennessee
L- @Southern Miss
W- UTEP
L- LA Tech
L- @North Texas

Enjoy debating. I'll try to post my #6 tomorrow.

I think we will win at least one from the southern Miss, la tech or north Texas games.

Also the WKU game I think is a win too.

I think we end 8-4 or 9-3

(08-23-2019 06:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Now we move to the programs I consider near locks for bowl games...

#7 UAB

Yes UAB lost several players, but Clark has a history of winning, and in my opinion, is one of the top coaches in C-USA. Plus, UAB brings back almost half of the conference's best defense. UAB plays a weak OOC schedule, and drew two of the weakest western programs for their crossover games. After winning early in the season, I expect UAB to struggle down the stretch. But, even taking a step back, UAB should be able to post a winning record with their schedule.

My prediction for UAB 7-5 (4-4)
W- Alabama St.
W- @Akron
W- S. Alabama
L- @WKU
W- Rice
W- @ UTSA
W- ODU
L- @Tennessee
L- @Southern Miss
W- UTEP
L- LA Tech
L- @North Texas

Enjoy debating. I'll try to post my #6 tomorrow.

I think they beat WKU by a bunch.

(08-23-2019 05:38 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 11:17 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

I’ll speak for myself and Charlotte and say sure we could finish less than .500. You say that if all breaks right, we go 5-7.
I say if all breaks right, we can win as many as eight games. We won five last season and don’t lose nearly as much personnel as much as ODU, Middle, FAU, who we beat UMASS, who we lost to.

We added UTEP to the schedule and play a pasty FCS team.

I was told on this board last year we’d win two games, I was told on this board that USM and FAU would drag us.

The Atlantic pre season 130 is telling me that Charlotte is playing 4 teams plus Gardner Webb who are ranked lower than us with Middle being just two places ahead.
PFF is telling me that Charlotte is playing against five sub 100 qb’s (plus Gardner Webb).
The CUSA coaches tell me have the best running back in the conference, and the best kicker. The national media tell me we have two olinemen up for award, a DL on the senior bowl watch team.

But you tell me that you don’t see wins on the schedule.....


This is easily the best team Charlotte has fielded, and it may not show up in the win loss column, but this team, can compete (with the exception of Clemson) with everyone they step on the field with.

You sound pretty confident and reasonable. How confident are you in your QB play?

Best kicker? Lol.

(08-23-2019 05:58 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 08:24 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(08-21-2019 09:07 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 09:04 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(08-19-2019 08:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Ha! I don't gamble. But, I'd like to know where you see more wins for ODU?

I don’t gamble either - but predictions should be made with the seriousness of real money on the line. Causes one to pause and changes everything. As far as more wins, look to the home games - and just random chance (49-35). Again, I would put my house up against your prediction and sleep like a baby. Not sure if you would do the same.

ya know, you could just answer his question instead of stupid rhetoric...specifics...not just "home games"...which home games? which random chance games?

“thor” stay out of an on-going exchange between two men. But since you interjected, I’m not going to put much effort responding to an absurd prediction - except to put it in perspective. No fool would put money on his prediction, which is the true test of any prediction. And - CLT - we’ve got your number this year

You seem to be the only one getting bent out of shape over my ODU prediction. We are already half way through the predictions and you are still obsessing over #14. I have yet to see any other fans argue in favor of your position. That should tell you something.

Not bent out of shape at all. I enjoyed watching us humble you after going down 0-28, as well as whipping your bball team in the Ted from the gate. But every ODU fan expects to have a bad football season and has low expectations and understands our coach most likely will be terminated after the season if we don’t win at least four games. But your prediction of one win is absolutely absurd. Which speaks to the credibility of your “predictions.” I’m certain you wouldn’t put money up against your joke of a prediction. If so, DM me.

(08-23-2019 08:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 05:38 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 11:17 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

I’ll speak for myself and Charlotte and say sure we could finish less than .500. You say that if all breaks right, we go 5-7.
I say if all breaks right, we can win as many as eight games. We won five last season and don’t lose nearly as much personnel as much as ODU, Middle, FAU, who we beat UMASS, who we lost to.

We added UTEP to the schedule and play a pasty FCS team.

I was told on this board last year we’d win two games, I was told on this board that USM and FAU would drag us.

The Atlantic pre season 130 is telling me that Charlotte is playing 4 teams plus Gardner Webb who are ranked lower than us with Middle being just two places ahead.
PFF is telling me that Charlotte is playing against five sub 100 qb’s (plus Gardner Webb).
The CUSA coaches tell me have the best running back in the conference, and the best kicker. The national media tell me we have two olinemen up for award, a DL on the senior bowl watch team.

But you tell me that you don’t see wins on the schedule.....


This is easily the best team Charlotte has fielded, and it may not show up in the win loss column, but this team, can compete (with the exception of Clemson) with everyone they step on the field with.

You sound pretty confident and reasonable. How confident are you in your QB play?

Best kicker? Lol.

Qb play will b fairly pedestrian, like it was last season, in which we won five games. I think most of our opponents won’t have an play and better and won’t have a better run game.

As for the kicker, the coaches said that, not me. I’m fairly certain FAU folks would agree with the coaches.

(08-23-2019 08:19 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 06:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Now we move to the programs I consider near locks for bowl games...

#7 UAB

Yes UAB lost several players, but Clark has a history of winning, and in my opinion, is one of the top coaches in C-USA. Plus, UAB brings back almost half of the conference's best defense. UAB plays a weak OOC schedule, and drew two of the weakest western programs for their crossover games. After winning early in the season, I expect UAB to struggle down the stretch. But, even taking a step back, UAB should be able to post a winning record with their schedule.

My prediction for UAB 7-5 (4-4)
W- Alabama St.
W- @Akron
W- S. Alabama
L- @WKU
W- Rice
W- @ UTSA
W- ODU
L- @Tennessee
L- @Southern Miss
W- UTEP
L- LA Tech
L- @North Texas

Enjoy debating. I'll try to post my #6 tomorrow.

I think they beat WKU by a bunch.

The UAB vs UNT could be to decide the West. I believe we are being underestimated and that motivates players. I understand you’re prediction but we will know soon. God Bless all my C-USA friends

(08-10-2019 10:46 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Y'all need to calm down. We lost a ton of seniors from a team that could barely win 4 games with multiple NFL players on it. We're not going to be good next year, it's just what shade of bad that's in debate.

For me, I've noticed that ODU always wins one game it shouldn't and loses one it shouldn't. For us to go 1-11 would be uh.... discouraging.

Bends over and says "Thank you sir, may I have another." The day I predict ODU as going 1-11 is the day I find another team to root for.

(08-23-2019 08:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 05:38 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 11:17 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

I’ll speak for myself and Charlotte and say sure we could finish less than .500. You say that if all breaks right, we go 5-7.
I say if all breaks right, we can win as many as eight games. We won five last season and don’t lose nearly as much personnel as much as ODU, Middle, FAU, who we beat UMASS, who we lost to.

We added UTEP to the schedule and play a pasty FCS team.

I was told on this board last year we’d win two games, I was told on this board that USM and FAU would drag us.

The Atlantic pre season 130 is telling me that Charlotte is playing 4 teams plus Gardner Webb who are ranked lower than us with Middle being just two places ahead.
PFF is telling me that Charlotte is playing against five sub 100 qb’s (plus Gardner Webb).
The CUSA coaches tell me have the best running back in the conference, and the best kicker. The national media tell me we have two olinemen up for award, a DL on the senior bowl watch team.

But you tell me that you don’t see wins on the schedule.....


This is easily the best team Charlotte has fielded, and it may not show up in the win loss column, but this team, can compete (with the exception of Clemson) with everyone they step on the field with.

You sound pretty confident and reasonable. How confident are you in your QB play?

Best kicker? Lol.

A kicker's best chance for glory comes in the form of a field goal, and former Cartersville specialist Jonathan Cruz made 17 of his 22 tries in his freshman season at Charlotte.

He wouldn't mind attempting fewer field goals during his sophomore campaign. That is assuming that he's booting several more extra points instead after nailing all 27 of his PATs in 2018.

Regardless of where he's kicking the ball from and how many points the kick is worth, Cruz is among the best in the country at making sure it splits the uprights. Following his stellar freshman year, he earned second-team all-Conference USA honors and landed on the league's all-freshman team.

Even more is expected out of the strong-legged right-footer in 2019. Cruz was tabbed as a preseason all-conference pick and even was named preseason special teams player of the year.

(08-23-2019 10:47 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 08:19 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 06:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Now we move to the programs I consider near locks for bowl games...

#7 UAB

Yes UAB lost several players, but Clark has a history of winning, and in my opinion, is one of the top coaches in C-USA. Plus, UAB brings back almost half of the conference's best defense. UAB plays a weak OOC schedule, and drew two of the weakest western programs for their crossover games. After winning early in the season, I expect UAB to struggle down the stretch. But, even taking a step back, UAB should be able to post a winning record with their schedule.

My prediction for UAB 7-5 (4-4)
W- Alabama St.
W- @Akron
W- S. Alabama
L- @WKU
W- Rice
W- @ UTSA
W- ODU
L- @Tennessee
L- @Southern Miss
W- UTEP
L- LA Tech
L- @North Texas

Enjoy debating. I'll try to post my #6 tomorrow.

I think they beat WKU by a bunch.

The UAB vs UNT could be to decide the West. I believe we are being underestimated and that motivates players. I understand you’re prediction but we will know soon. God Bless all my C-USA friends

At this moment, the only way I believe UAB loses 4 games in CUSA will be due to injuries. Other than that, if we are 6-1 or 7-0 going into a bye week before the Tennessee game, UAB will finish with either 8-4 or 9-3 record with an outside shot at 10 wins.

(08-23-2019 10:36 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 08:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 05:38 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(08-23-2019 11:17 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Shocker. Not a single fan of ODU, Charlotte, MTSU or WKU believe they will finish below .500

LOL

I’ll speak for myself and Charlotte and say sure we could finish less than .500. You say that if all breaks right, we go 5-7.
I say if all breaks right, we can win as many as eight games. We won five last season and don’t lose nearly as much personnel as much as ODU, Middle, FAU, who we beat UMASS, who we lost to.

We added UTEP to the schedule and play a pasty FCS team.

I was told on this board last year we’d win two games, I was told on this board that USM and FAU would drag us.

The Atlantic pre season 130 is telling me that Charlotte is playing 4 teams plus Gardner Webb who are ranked lower than us with Middle being just two places ahead.
PFF is telling me that Charlotte is playing against five sub 100 qb’s (plus Gardner Webb).
The CUSA coaches tell me have the best running back in the conference, and the best kicker. The national media tell me we have two olinemen up for award, a DL on the senior bowl watch team.

But you tell me that you don’t see wins on the schedule.....


This is easily the best team Charlotte has fielded, and it may not show up in the win loss column, but this team, can compete (with the exception of Clemson) with everyone they step on the field with.

You sound pretty confident and reasonable. How confident are you in your QB play?

Best kicker? Lol.

Qb play will b fairly pedestrian, like it was last season, in which we won five games. I think most of our opponents won’t have an play and better and won’t have a better run game.

As for the kicker, the coaches said that, not me. I’m fairly certain FAU folks would agree with the coaches.

Yeah, I get it. But you're gonna need better QB play if you want to make that jump. We'll see. You have the ingredients for a solid team.

However, the other teams you are looking to jump (WKU, FAU and the like) have also improved.

Western never had a talent problem. Western had a 100% Boy Idiot, as a head coach that believed it was his job to take the program in a 100% different direction (stupid AD that hired him to do that). Then compounded it by hiring his daddy idiot to coach RB's and ST's...

Let me put this in simple terms but not short

Western went from a high powered offense that very few teams could stop. Passing and running the ball. Into a team that struggled to put drives together or score points. I'm not talking Brohm points, 2/3 of that would have won 7 or 8 games last year.

Boy Idiot designed the offense and play calling

Daddy Idiot, took a ST that was one of the best in 2016 to one of the worse in 2017 and almost as bad in 2018
Daddy Idiot took a program that had the following yards by 1 runner

1649 yards 4.6 avg 2010
1695 yards 4.6 avg 2011
1728, 5.7 avg 2012
1730, 6.5 avg 2013
1542, 5.7 avg 2014
1086, 7.1 avg 2015 (10 games, backup Fr, RB 650 yards 4.0 avg)
1621, 6.8 avg 2016 (backup, Fr RB 542, 5.5 avg, R=So rb, 300, 4.2)

780 total rushing as a team 2017 with a 2.0 avg. Rb was lined up 9 to 10 yards deep on 90% of running plays and I know this because because I'm big enough of an idiot to actually go back and do a capture (3 to 5 pictures from snap till the RB was tackled in back field or broke the LOS) and post it on line of every running play Western ran. It was changed last year to a 6 or 7 yard deep set and Western's running did improve to a 3.7 yard per carry avg

A 5 year old could predict the play called from the shift of the H-back in 2017

If Helton is truly part of the Brohm tree in offensive style...high ppg, and Western can get to 30ppg (Brohm avg 45 ppg) and works the short passing game with quick hits to the slot and RB on a wheel or over the middle. It will keep the LB's at home and open up the running game.

Most people (Western fans included) believe Western was a deep ball passing attack. While Western did hit a lot of deep passes....

it was the quick short passing game that opened the whole fast striking offense up. Once the DB and LBs had to respect that 6 to 9 yard in front and right behind the LBs. Getting to the corner on a run became a lot easier. The middle on a deep (20+ yard) pass became 1 on one coverage. A good QB and WR will win that battle more times than not. Just too much ground to cover for one defender.

30 ppg will end up in a 8 or more win season
26-28 ppg .500 to 7 wins
Below 26ppg up to 4 wins

As you can see I value ppg...I'm normally a defensive person because a offense can get you there but it take a pretty good defense to win you a championship


I expect at least 1 loss and maybe 2 from rookie coaching mistakes. But overall I believe this will tell if Western made another bad hire. To me anything under 29-30 ppg and Western will struggle for years to compete for another conference championship. Offensive coaches (good ones) show their self early. One exception to the 29-30ppg..drive stopping turnovers can mask a decent offense