(09-22-2019 03:24 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:05 PM)Coogever Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:50 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:18 PM)Coogever Wrote:  No mw schools want to join the aac.

Hmmmmm

The current mwc tv deal provides $1.1 million to 10 schools and $2.9 million to Boise State...I say majority want in in AAC.

And even if any of them joined for football only they would make way over what boise state currently makes.

Pretty certain 90% of the mwc has already reached out to the AAC.

You are way off. It was aresco contacting mw schools and being told no thanks. The chance to get Boise and other mw schools ended when we added eastern schools instead of two more from the west like bsu and SDSU wanted. The pipe dream of poaching the mw now is comical.

I think we should trade Houston for Georgia State, I'm willing to bet that Georgia State does't forget that they joined a Conference that did not have any members west of the MISSISSIPPI and is still headquartered in Rhode Island.

Perhaps some Houston fans prefer C-USA that basically covers the same footprint without the STAGE PRESENCE.

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(09-22-2019 03:42 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:31 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  San Diego is the most attractive team that might be a good fit, FB only, in the AAC.

West of the Mississippi only North Texas at the moment.

And thee there is the usual suspects that everyone brings up from the East.

It's almost like people have never seen a map of North America or never have traveled.

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FYI, SDSU is a member of The AMERICAN for Women rowing. Why wouldn't Football fit in The AMERICAN. They are only flying East 4 times each year.

Don't need a map for that.

BTW, I've been very verbal about Georgia State, although I don't see the powers to be listening to my suggestions.

(09-22-2019 03:33 PM)Coogever Wrote:  Tv money is great and all but it isn’t a good measure of how quality a conference is.

It isn’t the only criteria. But it does say a lot about how much media/public-interest there is in the teams of that league. Plus, the $$$ makes it easier (or harder) to pay competitive salaries for coaches/admin./players, to make capital improvements in facilities, etc. So, the money isn’t “a good measure of quality” in and of itself, but it usually works hand-in-hand with other factors that are.

Quote:We make pennies compared to the p5.

True.

Quote:The mw tv deal will not match ours but not for the reasons you think.

The MWC’s tv-deal will be a fraction of ours because their audience is a fraction of ours. This is especially true if the MWC begins their events at the local-time most conducive to actual, butts-in-the-seats attendance.

It's BYU FB-only then App State (FB-only or all-sports can be debated). I don't know why anyone else is even being discussed. Once UAB has their new stadium and if their fan support grows as a result, then UAB would be in that conversation.

But if we're going to strengthen football and basketball right now, sans BYU, the best answer is App State FB-only (to the A-Sun or Big South with their other sports) and VCU.

(09-22-2019 04:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  It's BYU FB-only then App State (FB-only or all-sports can be debated). I don't know why anyone else is even being discussed. Once UAB has their new stadium and if their fan support grows as a result, then UAB would be in that conversation.

But if we're going to strengthen football and basketball right now, sans BYU, the best answer is App State FB-only (to the A-Sun or Big South with their other sports) and VCU.

Unfortunately you are probably right. Sad state of affairs. I would have loved Houston to be in a true p6 western division with Bsu, Sdsu, Smu, AF and Colorado st.

(09-22-2019 03:40 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:19 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:13 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:41 PM)panama Wrote:  I am sure he has Office365

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Mike Aresco can always meet at the airport

We have the Biglyest airport, known for Airport Meetings ...

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Ummmmm, I think O'Hare airport has ya beat

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You would be wrong :)

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Have you BEEN to O'Hare-International?

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(09-22-2019 04:27 PM)Coogever Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 04:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  It's BYU FB-only then App State (FB-only or all-sports can be debated). I don't know why anyone else is even being discussed. Once UAB has their new stadium and if their fan support grows as a result, then UAB would be in that conversation.

But if we're going to strengthen football and basketball right now, sans BYU, the best answer is App State FB-only (to the A-Sun or Big South with their other sports) and VCU.

Unfortunately you are probably right. Sad state of affairs. I would have loved Houston to be in a true p6 western division with Bsu, Sdsu, Smu, AF and Colorado st.

If we could get Colorado State, I'd take them. They're not as good as App St in FB nor as good as VCU in basketball, but CSU would be a really good get. They have more alumni in Denver (and I think Colorado as a whole?) than Colorado. They've got a beautiful new stadium, and they are a state flagship level research institution that fits in well with the big public research schools in the AAC. That said, unless the MWC TV deal just totally flops, I don't think CSU will abandon the relatively stable MWC with nearby rivals in Air Force and Wyoming to come to the AAC. Like it or not, the MWC is more stable than the AAC.

I have been proposing App State (FB) and VCU (Olympics) from the start. I readlly admit, APP has the most football tradition and success in the state of NC. They don't carry a chip, they just have the play anyone, anywhere attititude. I am not sure of an FCS transition that has had more success than App State in their conversion. Since becoming full time FBS. 4-0 in bowls. Three conference championships (2 Co Champs and CCG Championship).

(09-22-2019 03:24 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:05 PM)Coogever Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:50 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:18 PM)Coogever Wrote:  No mw schools want to join the aac.

Hmmmmm

The current mwc tv deal provides $1.1 million to 10 schools and $2.9 million to Boise State...I say majority want in in AAC.

And even if any of them joined for football only they would make way over what boise state currently makes.

Pretty certain 90% of the mwc has already reached out to the AAC.

You are way off. It was aresco contacting mw schools and being told no thanks. The chance to get Boise and other mw schools ended when we added eastern schools instead of two more from the west like bsu and SDSU wanted. The pipe dream of poaching the mw now is comical.

I think we should trade Houston for Georgia State, I'm willing to bet that Georgia State does't forget that they joined a Conference that did not have any members west of the MISSISSIPPI and is still headquartered in Rhode Island.

Perhaps some Houston fans prefer C-USA that basically covers the same footprint without the STAGE PRESENCE.

What in the world are you smoking man... Hahaha

(06-22-2019 08:48 PM)banker Wrote:  As an outsider, I would say your league should consider Buffalo. They are a strong academic school (I believe the only public AAU school not in a P5 conference), and have solid recent results in both basketball and football. They are also the #53 TV market.

And that snow belt region is making a bit of an economic comeback. Companies from the West Coast seeing those low property costs, low labor costs, and existing infrastructure are starting to invest.

(09-22-2019 05:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:24 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:05 PM)Coogever Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:50 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Hmmmmm

The current mwc tv deal provides $1.1 million to 10 schools and $2.9 million to Boise State...I say majority want in in AAC.

And even if any of them joined for football only they would make way over what boise state currently makes.

Pretty certain 90% of the mwc has already reached out to the AAC.

You are way off. It was aresco contacting mw schools and being told no thanks. The chance to get Boise and other mw schools ended when we added eastern schools instead of two more from the west like bsu and SDSU wanted. The pipe dream of poaching the mw now is comical.

I think we should trade Houston for Georgia State, I'm willing to bet that Georgia State does't forget that they joined a Conference that did not have any members west of the MISSISSIPPI and is still headquartered in Rhode Island.

Perhaps some Houston fans prefer C-USA that basically covers the same footprint without the STAGE PRESENCE.

What in the world are you smoking man... Hahaha

Hash, I learned about it in a HS in Plano, TX after a Friday night football Game. True Story.

(09-22-2019 02:31 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:04 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Add Colorado State. New facilities, big potential, good fanbase. It also opens the door to more western expansion in the future with AFA, SDSU, UNM, UNLV, Boise, etc

Enough with the Western Pipe Dreams


Lol

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According to a few people on here with apparent "contacts", Colorado State contacted the AAC. Not a pipe dream.

(09-22-2019 04:27 PM)Coogever Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 04:16 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  It's BYU FB-only then App State (FB-only or all-sports can be debated). I don't know why anyone else is even being discussed. Once UAB has their new stadium and if their fan support grows as a result, then UAB would be in that conversation.

But if we're going to strengthen football and basketball right now, sans BYU, the best answer is App State FB-only (to the A-Sun or Big South with their other sports) and VCU.

Unfortunately you are probably right. Sad state of affairs. I would have loved Houston to be in a true p6 western division with Bsu, Sdsu, Smu, AF and Colorado st.

Hahaha... I doubt you're a red Cougar fan and even IF you were you must be the only Houston fan wanting in in a conference with any of those mention above... minus SMU ofcourse.

FYI - Houston has had an open invitation to join the mwc... We're not going West unless the PAC comes calling.

(09-22-2019 03:50 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:42 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 03:31 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  San Diego is the most attractive team that might be a good fit, FB only, in the AAC.

West of the Mississippi only North Texas at the moment.

And thee there is the usual suspects that everyone brings up from the East.

It's almost like people have never seen a map of North America or never have traveled.

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FYI, SDSU is a member of The AMERICAN for Women rowing. Why wouldn't Football fit in The AMERICAN. They are only flying East 4 times each year.

Don't need a map for that.

BTW, I've been very verbal about Georgia State, although I don't see the powers to be listening to my suggestions.

Only four times. LOL

Why would anyone do that? What's in it for them? AAC home gamws with schools nobody in SD cares about? Certainly not the cash.

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(09-22-2019 04:38 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I have been proposing App State (FB) and VCU (Olympics) from the start. I readlly admit, APP has the most football tradition and success in the state of NC. They don't carry a chip, they just have the play anyone, anywhere attititude. I am not sure of an FCS transition that has had more success than App State in their conversion. Since becoming full time FBS. 4-0 in bowls. Three conference championships (2 Co Champs and CCG Championship).

I don’t know what we are going to do. Probably stay in the Sunbelt. I don’t see the AAC as a fit for us. It’s a shame we are so far from the MWC because we fit in well with that mold.

I definitely prefer the Sunbelt over CUSA or the MAC.

(09-22-2019 05:52 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:31 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:04 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Add Colorado State. New facilities, big potential, good fanbase. It also opens the door to more western expansion in the future with AFA, SDSU, UNM, UNLV, Boise, etc

Enough with the Western Pipe Dreams


Lol

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According to a few people on here with apparent "contacts", Colorado State contacted the AAC. Not a pipe dream.

Lol

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(09-22-2019 03:18 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:50 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 02:18 PM)Coogever Wrote:  No mw schools want to join the aac.

Hmmmmm

The current mwc tv deal provides $1.1 million to 10 schools and $2.9 million to Boise State...I say majority want in in AAC.

And even if any of them joined for football only they would make way over what boise state currently makes.

Pretty certain 90% of the mwc has already reached out to the AAC.

Subtract travel costs. Isn't this version 3265 of this idea?

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Except for games within the WY-AFA-CSU trio, pretty much all MWC games involve the cost of a 2 hour or so flight. Adding an hour or so to just 3 or 4 flights per year is not a big difference in the per school travel budget.

(09-22-2019 07:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-22-2019 05:52 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  [quote='panama' pid='16317917' dateline='1569180680']
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Add Colorado State. New facilities, big potential, good fanbase. It also opens the door to more western expansion in the future with AFA, SDSU, UNM, UNLV, Boise, etc

Enough with the Western Pipe Dreams


Lol

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According to a few people on here with apparent "contacts", Colorado State contacted the AAC. Not a pipe dream.


I would sign Colorado State in a New York minute for FB only. They would be a terrific addition to the AAC West and would broaden the footprint nicely!

If Colorado State has reached out to Mike Aresco (and ESPN), then it is probably likely that either Colo St. or another FB only member would be joining the AAC in time for the 2020 or 2021 season.

Seriously doubt that ESPN would object to the idea, unless they see a better option as being available

Since no announcement has been made, it's possible that their are ongoing discussions about Colo State and 1 or more other options, which could include AFA, SDSU, or other schools.

The silence is deafening!

Lets look at teh candidates:

BYU - Still adding more games to schedule. Shows no signs of joining. All actions point to continued independence through 2025. Id guess their chance of joining at less than 1%.

Army - Could join anytime if they wanted. They have nothing stopping them and it would have been announced by now if there was any interest. Id guess chance of joining to be less than 5%.

Air Force - Easily could switch. May be waiting to see what offer the MWC gets before ending their long lasting relationship. The additional monies would be nice, but not necessary because they are a government supported institute. They turned down opportunities for series discussion with the Big 12. They are unique in that they value their history more than income. Id guess their likelihood of joining to be less than 5%.

CSU - Not much limiting them from leaving, but there are questions as to their value. I personally love CSU since I see them as a very close fit to the majority of the institutions in the AAC and they have invested heavily, BUT their market is massively split and smaller, they havent had massive success and their viewership numbers have not been great. They may want in, but I am not 100% certain they bring enough value to not dilute which is a no-go. Id guess their chance of joining at less than 10%

SDSU - They want to join and we like them, but that is a massive difference in geography and to make it work, we would need 3 western members... and I dont think they are out there. A move would be contingent on getting Boise and then 1 others (likely Air Force). I am not certain the networks are ready to kill the MWC... yet. So I doubt this would happen. Their Football has dropped off a bit and their Bball hasnt been killing it. Their viewership numbers are mediocre at best and travel costs for the rest of the conference are insane. They could be football only, but do they bring enough value to cover all the additional costs? Boise St - They may want to join but are waiting to see the final offer from the MWC. They would have to find a conference for their non football sports, which may be hard. Not a lot of conferences looking for a really mediocre sports program that is located in the middle of nowhere. I doubt the AAC is willing to take them all sports, so they may have a real problem. Id guess they will make their decision once the final MWC numbers are announced. Id guess their chance of joining at les than 5%.

Boise St - They may want to join but are waiting to see the final offer from the MWC. They would have to find a conference for their non football sports, which may be hard. Not a lot of conferences looking for a really mediocre sports program that is located in the middle of nowhere. I doubt the AAC is willing to take them all sports, so they may have a real problem. Id guess they will make their decision once the final MWC numbers are announced. Id guess their chance of joining at 33%.