(06-20-2019 04:31 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 03:10 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  UTSA
Incarnate Word: 90%
@ Baylor: 20%
Army: 40%
@ Texas A&M: 5%

What's the feeling about Wilson? I'm thinking that he's gone if you guys don't have a winning season.

We've had 3 seasons with him so far...
6-7
6-5
3-9

The first two were at least decent, since we went .500. Last year was an utter disaster in nearly every possible way. My feeling, though some will disagree, is that if we get back to at least 6-6 this season, we should give him one more year. But if we don't have a winning record the year after, I see no reason to keep him around. This year, I think we definitely need to at least double our win total from last year though.

Some will say that if we don't have a winning record this year, we should fire him. But considering the very real possibility that we may lose three of our OOC games, we would have to win 5 conference games to go .500, and that wouldn't be an easy task.

(06-20-2019 08:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:20 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 02:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-19-2019 11:09 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Most of the time you are not going to get that top level job without putting in time at the low or mid-level P5 school. There's 52 or so P5 jobs paying 2.5 million up and 44 paying 3 million up. I think it's safe to say those paying 2.5 would understand they will need to pay another 500k if they go after the coach they want. Vandy is paying 2.8 million.

So unless Littrell's buyout is in the 2 to 3 million range I dont think it's going to stop many P5 schools from coming after him if he's their choice. With a new contract and more money UNT will also give up something else. A lower buyout....

Littrell has all the power right now with UNT. He knows if he's going to coach at UNT next year or will be looking to double his pay. With that I bet he will not sign a new contract unless the buyout is in his favor. Why would he?

Only a stupid person would sign a contract (when they control the power) with a large buyout if they plan on leaving for another job.

I don't think you understand the situation. This isn't about having "power". It is about treating people right, providing them the resources they need to be successful, and rewarding them for their hard work. Littrell really likes Denton, the administration, and his situation at North Texas. Not saying he won't leave for a P5 job, but I think him passing on the Kansas State job proved he is willing to stay until the right P5 situation comes around. And I'm sure the pay increase will come with a higher buyout. That has been the case every time we have resigned him.

The administration has been working on this new contract since the middle of last season. His current contract pays him $1.425 million a year through 2022. As of this past April the buyout on his contract was $4.25 million.

Here is an article about the new contract from a few months ago. Personally, I think the new contract will come in somewhere between $1.7 to $2 million. We could find out any day.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt...64205.html

This says different on the buyout and going by the below he would pay 30% of the remaining....2 years (after this season). So right around $666,000 if before 2/1/20. A person can love where they are at but when it comes to dollars and we are talking millions. A person is going to do best for them.

As I said the coach holds all the power right now. Unless he's a complete fool he's not going to sign anything for a higher buyout. He flirted with leaving last year so I think it's safe to say if offered a job that fits what he wants he will take it. So "doing the right thing" would be what's best for him and his family. That would be to get the lowest buyout he can get. As I said...he holds all the power.

https://projects.newsday.com/college-foo...-littrell/

Base compensation
2017 guaranteed pay: $1,013,800
Total contract pay: $6,172,800
Contract length: 6 years
Start date: 12/7/2015
Last amended: 5/15/2017
Expires: 1/31/2022

Other Perks
Buyout if coach leaves for another coaching job: 40% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/18; 35% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/19; 30% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/20; 20% of remaining compensation thereafter (all figures reduced in half if president or athletic director has changed during his tenure)

My numbers were from USA Today's coaching salaries link. I guess they have not updated the information lately. Here is more recent information which indicates you numbers are wrong.

According to the guy paid to keep up with our athletics Littrell's contract had a $2.1 million buyout that decreases annually. After one season with this new contract in place, 30% of his total remaining contract (roughly $5.6 million over the next 4 seasons) is roughly $1.68 million, which is his current buyout amount. It doesn't matter what the buyout would be after this season, because his new contract will have a new (probably larger) buyout.

https://dentonrc.com/sports/baker-unt-to...0d2e0.html

That's not what it said at all . "Littrell would have had to pay $1.68 million if he departs for another job before the 2019 season". So 2019 takes another year off and the %drops from 35 to 30. Which is consistent with what I said and any buyout will be based off his base which is 1.2 million. Just because a new deal on a coaches pay is made doesn't mean other parts of the contract changed. He signed a one year extension on the 5 year deal for a total of 6 years . It shows that in the link I posted

Do you honestly think his agent is going to ask him to sign a deal with a larger buyout? That makes zero sense for someone that holds ALL of the cards and looking to step up to a P5 job. Would you agree to pay a extra million or two million on a buyout when you have a signed contract that puts that number around $666,000?

If he does he is dumb as a rock and going against what his agent would tell him. Lets put it this way. According to you as of today he is making 1.4 million a year and the increase will probably bring that up to 1.7 million....

$300,000 a year

So you think a coach is going to agree to a higher buyout..a million or two more just for a $300,000 increase? When that coach's agent is actively pushing his name for a P5 job. You might be correct (I dont think so)but if so it's bonehead move by the coach.

From the news paper you linked to

Quote:Seth Littrell, football — Signed a one-year extension that takes him through the 2022 season and bumps his yearly base salary from $900,000 to $1.2 million and his total compensation from just under $1 million last season to $1.4 million

Your math is still off. Even using just his base pay $1.2 million and not counting the extra $200K he will earn, the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million. Within a few days we should know if that buyout goes up with his salary.

(06-20-2019 10:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:20 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 02:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 01:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I don't think you understand the situation. This isn't about having "power". It is about treating people right, providing them the resources they need to be successful, and rewarding them for their hard work. Littrell really likes Denton, the administration, and his situation at North Texas. Not saying he won't leave for a P5 job, but I think him passing on the Kansas State job proved he is willing to stay until the right P5 situation comes around. And I'm sure the pay increase will come with a higher buyout. That has been the case every time we have resigned him.

The administration has been working on this new contract since the middle of last season. His current contract pays him $1.425 million a year through 2022. As of this past April the buyout on his contract was $4.25 million.

Here is an article about the new contract from a few months ago. Personally, I think the new contract will come in somewhere between $1.7 to $2 million. We could find out any day.

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt...64205.html

This says different on the buyout and going by the below he would pay 30% of the remaining....2 years (after this season). So right around $666,000 if before 2/1/20. A person can love where they are at but when it comes to dollars and we are talking millions. A person is going to do best for them.

As I said the coach holds all the power right now. Unless he's a complete fool he's not going to sign anything for a higher buyout. He flirted with leaving last year so I think it's safe to say if offered a job that fits what he wants he will take it. So "doing the right thing" would be what's best for him and his family. That would be to get the lowest buyout he can get. As I said...he holds all the power.

https://projects.newsday.com/college-foo...-littrell/

Base compensation
2017 guaranteed pay: $1,013,800
Total contract pay: $6,172,800
Contract length: 6 years
Start date: 12/7/2015
Last amended: 5/15/2017
Expires: 1/31/2022

Other Perks
Buyout if coach leaves for another coaching job: 40% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/18; 35% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/19; 30% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/20; 20% of remaining compensation thereafter (all figures reduced in half if president or athletic director has changed during his tenure)

My numbers were from USA Today's coaching salaries link. I guess they have not updated the information lately. Here is more recent information which indicates you numbers are wrong.

According to the guy paid to keep up with our athletics Littrell's contract had a $2.1 million buyout that decreases annually. After one season with this new contract in place, 30% of his total remaining contract (roughly $5.6 million over the next 4 seasons) is roughly $1.68 million, which is his current buyout amount. It doesn't matter what the buyout would be after this season, because his new contract will have a new (probably larger) buyout.

https://dentonrc.com/sports/baker-unt-to...0d2e0.html

That's not what it said at all . "Littrell would have had to pay $1.68 million if he departs for another job before the 2019 season". So 2019 takes another year off and the %drops from 35 to 30. Which is consistent with what I said and any buyout will be based off his base which is 1.2 million. Just because a new deal on a coaches pay is made doesn't mean other parts of the contract changed. He signed a one year extension on the 5 year deal for a total of 6 years . It shows that in the link I posted

Do you honestly think his agent is going to ask him to sign a deal with a larger buyout? That makes zero sense for someone that holds ALL of the cards and looking to step up to a P5 job. Would you agree to pay a extra million or two million on a buyout when you have a signed contract that puts that number around $666,000?

If he does he is dumb as a rock and going against what his agent would tell him. Lets put it this way. According to you as of today he is making 1.4 million a year and the increase will probably bring that up to 1.7 million....

$300,000 a year

So you think a coach is going to agree to a higher buyout..a million or two more just for a $300,000 increase? When that coach's agent is actively pushing his name for a P5 job. You might be correct (I dont think so)but if so it's bonehead move by the coach.

From the news paper you linked to

Quote:Seth Littrell, football — Signed a one-year extension that takes him through the 2022 season and bumps his yearly base salary from $900,000 to $1.2 million and his total compensation from just under $1 million last season to $1.4 million

Your math is still off. Even using just his base pay $1.2 million and not counting the extra $200K he will earn, the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million. Within a few days we should know if that buyout goes up with his salary.

This coming season will make his 4th year on a 6 year contract and leaves 2 years remaining at 1.2 million or 2.4 million total. 30% of that is $720,000


If he agrees to a larger buyout he either plans on staying at UNT or it's a very dumb move on his part. There is no reason for him to do that. Actually I thought of one, to protect himself if that next job doesnt come. So he says I will agree to a large buyout but I want 10 million dollars that is reduced by 1 million every year....if I'm fired. Still dumb but as you said...we will see.

(06-20-2019 08:58 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 04:31 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 03:10 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  UTSA
Incarnate Word: 90%
@ Baylor: 20%
Army: 40%
@ Texas A&M: 5%

What's the feeling about Wilson? I'm thinking that he's gone if you guys don't have a winning season.

We've had 3 seasons with him so far...
6-7
6-5
3-9

The first two were at least decent, since we went .500. Last year was an utter disaster in nearly every possible way. My feeling, though some will disagree, is that if we get back to at least 6-6 this season, we should give him one more year. But if we don't have a winning record the year after, I see no reason to keep him around. This year, I think we definitely need to at least double our win total from last year though.

Some will say that if we don't have a winning record this year, we should fire him. But considering the very real possibility that we may lose three of our OOC games, we would have to win 5 conference games to go .500, and that wouldn't be an easy task.

Yeah give him two more years unless this season is terrible. That's fair.

Buying out a coach should include a home game for the G5 in a H/H series or a huge bag of money for G5 team.

For MT...

@ Michigan - 1% (It would be nice to score any points but probably will struggle to do that)
Tennessee State - 67% (TSU is a good FCS team, and we are a bad FBS team...)
Duke - 25% (Home field advantage could give us at least a chance)
@ Iowa - 5% (More likely to score at Iowa than Michigan)

(06-20-2019 11:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 10:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:20 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 02:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This says different on the buyout and going by the below he would pay 30% of the remaining....2 years (after this season). So right around $666,000 if before 2/1/20. A person can love where they are at but when it comes to dollars and we are talking millions. A person is going to do best for them.

As I said the coach holds all the power right now. Unless he's a complete fool he's not going to sign anything for a higher buyout. He flirted with leaving last year so I think it's safe to say if offered a job that fits what he wants he will take it. So "doing the right thing" would be what's best for him and his family. That would be to get the lowest buyout he can get. As I said...he holds all the power.

https://projects.newsday.com/college-foo...-littrell/

Base compensation
2017 guaranteed pay: $1,013,800
Total contract pay: $6,172,800
Contract length: 6 years
Start date: 12/7/2015
Last amended: 5/15/2017
Expires: 1/31/2022

Other Perks
Buyout if coach leaves for another coaching job: 40% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/18; 35% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/19; 30% of remaining compensation if before 2/1/20; 20% of remaining compensation thereafter (all figures reduced in half if president or athletic director has changed during his tenure)

My numbers were from USA Today's coaching salaries link. I guess they have not updated the information lately. Here is more recent information which indicates you numbers are wrong.

According to the guy paid to keep up with our athletics Littrell's contract had a $2.1 million buyout that decreases annually. After one season with this new contract in place, 30% of his total remaining contract (roughly $5.6 million over the next 4 seasons) is roughly $1.68 million, which is his current buyout amount. It doesn't matter what the buyout would be after this season, because his new contract will have a new (probably larger) buyout.

https://dentonrc.com/sports/baker-unt-to...0d2e0.html

That's not what it said at all . "Littrell would have had to pay $1.68 million if he departs for another job before the 2019 season". So 2019 takes another year off and the %drops from 35 to 30. Which is consistent with what I said and any buyout will be based off his base which is 1.2 million. Just because a new deal on a coaches pay is made doesn't mean other parts of the contract changed. He signed a one year extension on the 5 year deal for a total of 6 years . It shows that in the link I posted

Do you honestly think his agent is going to ask him to sign a deal with a larger buyout? That makes zero sense for someone that holds ALL of the cards and looking to step up to a P5 job. Would you agree to pay a extra million or two million on a buyout when you have a signed contract that puts that number around $666,000?

If he does he is dumb as a rock and going against what his agent would tell him. Lets put it this way. According to you as of today he is making 1.4 million a year and the increase will probably bring that up to 1.7 million....

$300,000 a year

So you think a coach is going to agree to a higher buyout..a million or two more just for a $300,000 increase? When that coach's agent is actively pushing his name for a P5 job. You might be correct (I dont think so)but if so it's bonehead move by the coach.

From the news paper you linked to

Quote:Seth Littrell, football — Signed a one-year extension that takes him through the 2022 season and bumps his yearly base salary from $900,000 to $1.2 million and his total compensation from just under $1 million last season to $1.4 million

Your math is still off. Even using just his base pay $1.2 million and not counting the extra $200K he will earn, the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million. Within a few days we should know if that buyout goes up with his salary.

This coming season will make his 4th year on a 6 year contract and leaves 2 years remaining at 1.2 million or 2.4 million total. 30% of that is $720,000


If he agrees to a larger buyout he either plans on staying at UNT or it's a very dumb move on his part. There is no reason for him to do that. Actually I thought of one, to protect himself if that next job doesnt come. So he says I will agree to a large buyout but I want 10 million dollars that is reduced by 1 million every year....if I'm fired. Still dumb but as you said...we will see.

No, not the 4th year of a 6 year contract. Littrell is currently in his second contract extension and it runs through 2022. He would have 3 years remaining, not 2. He has only completed one season of this contract. So, like I stated in my previous post... the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million.

Since we are about to announce his third contract extension, and every extension he has signed has given him a raise, added an additional year, and increased his buyout, I see the new contract being for 5 seasons (running through 2023), being between $1.7 to $2 million, and increasing his buyout.

Here is a direct quote from an August 2018 article explaining his second extension, among other athletic department raises. I have attached a link to the story too.

"Littrell’s new five-year contract shows just how serious Baker and the school are when it comes to reaching that goal. That deal includes a buyout that starts at $2.1 million and decreases annually.

Even with that annual decrease, Littrell would have to pay $1.68 million to leave UNT for another job following the upcoming season."

https://dentonrc.com/sports/unt-makes-ke...41a6c.html

(06-21-2019 01:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 11:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 10:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:20 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  My numbers were from USA Today's coaching salaries link. I guess they have not updated the information lately. Here is more recent information which indicates you numbers are wrong.

According to the guy paid to keep up with our athletics Littrell's contract had a $2.1 million buyout that decreases annually. After one season with this new contract in place, 30% of his total remaining contract (roughly $5.6 million over the next 4 seasons) is roughly $1.68 million, which is his current buyout amount. It doesn't matter what the buyout would be after this season, because his new contract will have a new (probably larger) buyout.

https://dentonrc.com/sports/baker-unt-to...0d2e0.html

That's not what it said at all . "Littrell would have had to pay $1.68 million if he departs for another job before the 2019 season". So 2019 takes another year off and the %drops from 35 to 30. Which is consistent with what I said and any buyout will be based off his base which is 1.2 million. Just because a new deal on a coaches pay is made doesn't mean other parts of the contract changed. He signed a one year extension on the 5 year deal for a total of 6 years . It shows that in the link I posted

Do you honestly think his agent is going to ask him to sign a deal with a larger buyout? That makes zero sense for someone that holds ALL of the cards and looking to step up to a P5 job. Would you agree to pay a extra million or two million on a buyout when you have a signed contract that puts that number around $666,000?

If he does he is dumb as a rock and going against what his agent would tell him. Lets put it this way. According to you as of today he is making 1.4 million a year and the increase will probably bring that up to 1.7 million....

$300,000 a year

So you think a coach is going to agree to a higher buyout..a million or two more just for a $300,000 increase? When that coach's agent is actively pushing his name for a P5 job. You might be correct (I dont think so)but if so it's bonehead move by the coach.

From the news paper you linked to

Quote:Seth Littrell, football — Signed a one-year extension that takes him through the 2022 season and bumps his yearly base salary from $900,000 to $1.2 million and his total compensation from just under $1 million last season to $1.4 million

Your math is still off. Even using just his base pay $1.2 million and not counting the extra $200K he will earn, the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million. Within a few days we should know if that buyout goes up with his salary.

This coming season will make his 4th year on a 6 year contract and leaves 2 years remaining at 1.2 million or 2.4 million total. 30% of that is $720,000


If he agrees to a larger buyout he either plans on staying at UNT or it's a very dumb move on his part. There is no reason for him to do that. Actually I thought of one, to protect himself if that next job doesnt come. So he says I will agree to a large buyout but I want 10 million dollars that is reduced by 1 million every year....if I'm fired. Still dumb but as you said...we will see.

No, not the 4th year of a 6 year contract. Littrell is currently in his second contract extension and it runs through 2022. He would have 3 years remaining, not 2. He has only completed one season of this contract. So, like I stated in my previous post... the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million.

Since we are about to announce his third contract extension, and every extension he has signed has given him a raise, added an additional year, and increased his buyout, I see the new contract being for 5 seasons (running through 2023), being between $1.7 to $2 million, and increasing his buyout.

Here is a direct quote from an August 2018 article explaining his second extension, among other athletic department raises. I have attached a link to the story too.

"Littrell’s new five-year contract shows just how serious Baker and the school are when it comes to reaching that goal. That deal includes a buyout that starts at $2.1 million and decreases annually.

Even with that annual decrease, Littrell would have to pay $1.68 million to leave UNT for another job following the upcoming season."

https://dentonrc.com/sports/unt-makes-ke...41a6c.html

Check the date on the article you got your info from...AUG 2018. It was talking about LAST SEASON and if he left it would have been 1.6 million

This is an article on the contracts I believe 4 that UNT and the FB 2 BB and AD signed. To the left it list the details of each contract and below is what it said about the UNT fb coach. Stop trying so hard to prove what you want something to be and ACTUALLY READ what it says. YOUR LINK had the below.


Seth Littrell, football — Signed a one-year extension that takes him through the 2022 season and bumps his yearly base salary from $900,000 to $1.2 million and his total compensation from just under $1 million last season to $1.4 million.

(06-21-2019 01:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 01:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 11:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 10:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 08:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  That's not what it said at all . "Littrell would have had to pay $1.68 million if he departs for another job before the 2019 season". So 2019 takes another year off and the %drops from 35 to 30. Which is consistent with what I said and any buyout will be based off his base which is 1.2 million. Just because a new deal on a coaches pay is made doesn't mean other parts of the contract changed. He signed a one year extension on the 5 year deal for a total of 6 years . It shows that in the link I posted

Do you honestly think his agent is going to ask him to sign a deal with a larger buyout? That makes zero sense for someone that holds ALL of the cards and looking to step up to a P5 job. Would you agree to pay a extra million or two million on a buyout when you have a signed contract that puts that number around $666,000?

If he does he is dumb as a rock and going against what his agent would tell him. Lets put it this way. According to you as of today he is making 1.4 million a year and the increase will probably bring that up to 1.7 million....

$300,000 a year

So you think a coach is going to agree to a higher buyout..a million or two more just for a $300,000 increase? When that coach's agent is actively pushing his name for a P5 job. You might be correct (I dont think so)but if so it's bonehead move by the coach.

From the news paper you linked to

Your math is still off. Even using just his base pay $1.2 million and not counting the extra $200K he will earn, the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million. Within a few days we should know if that buyout goes up with his salary.

This coming season will make his 4th year on a 6 year contract and leaves 2 years remaining at 1.2 million or 2.4 million total. 30% of that is $720,000


If he agrees to a larger buyout he either plans on staying at UNT or it's a very dumb move on his part. There is no reason for him to do that. Actually I thought of one, to protect himself if that next job doesnt come. So he says I will agree to a large buyout but I want 10 million dollars that is reduced by 1 million every year....if I'm fired. Still dumb but as you said...we will see.

No, not the 4th year of a 6 year contract. Littrell is currently in his second contract extension and it runs through 2022. He would have 3 years remaining, not 2. He has only completed one season of this contract. So, like I stated in my previous post... the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million.

Since we are about to announce his third contract extension, and every extension he has signed has given him a raise, added an additional year, and increased his buyout, I see the new contract being for 5 seasons (running through 2023), being between $1.7 to $2 million, and increasing his buyout.

Here is a direct quote from an August 2018 article explaining his second extension, among other athletic department raises. I have attached a link to the story too.

"Littrell’s new five-year contract shows just how serious Baker and the school are when it comes to reaching that goal. That deal includes a buyout that starts at $2.1 million and decreases annually.

Even with that annual decrease, Littrell would have to pay $1.68 million to leave UNT for another job following the upcoming season."

https://dentonrc.com/sports/unt-makes-ke...41a6c.html

Check the date on the article you got your info from...AUG 2018. It was talking about LAST SEASON and if he left it would have been 1.6 million

This is an article on the contracts I believe 4 that UNT and the FB 2 BB and AD signed. To the left it list the details of each contract and below is what it said about the UNT fb coach. Stop trying so hard to prove what you want something to be and ACTUALLY READ what it says. YOUR LINK had the below.


Seth Littrell, football — Signed a one-year extension that takes him through the 2022 season and bumps his yearly base salary from $900,000 to $1.2 million and his total compensation from just under $1 million last season to $1.4 million.

You honestly have no clue. It is all right there is plan English, but you just can't grasp it. We have yet to play the 2019 season, so $1.6 million is still his current buyout, and $1.08 million will be his buyout after this season. Anyone that clicks on my link will understand why you are wrong. In my years on this blog I have never run across anyone as obtuse as you.

I am done with this discussion. Have a good evening.

(06-21-2019 05:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 01:36 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-21-2019 01:21 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 11:30 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-20-2019 10:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Your math is still off. Even using just his base pay $1.2 million and not counting the extra $200K he will earn, the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million. Within a few days we should know if that buyout goes up with his salary.

This coming season will make his 4th year on a 6 year contract and leaves 2 years remaining at 1.2 million or 2.4 million total. 30% of that is $720,000


If he agrees to a larger buyout he either plans on staying at UNT or it's a very dumb move on his part. There is no reason for him to do that. Actually I thought of one, to protect himself if that next job doesnt come. So he says I will agree to a large buyout but I want 10 million dollars that is reduced by 1 million every year....if I'm fired. Still dumb but as you said...we will see.

No, not the 4th year of a 6 year contract. Littrell is currently in his second contract extension and it runs through 2022. He would have 3 years remaining, not 2. He has only completed one season of this contract. So, like I stated in my previous post... the total amount left on his contract after 2019 would still be $3.6 million. And 30% of that would equal his buyout... $1.08 million.

Since we are about to announce his third contract extension, and every extension he has signed has given him a raise, added an additional year, and increased his buyout, I see the new contract being for 5 seasons (running through 2023), being between $1.7 to $2 million, and increasing his buyout.

Here is a direct quote from an August 2018 article explaining his second extension, among other athletic department raises. I have attached a link to the story too.

"Littrell’s new five-year contract shows just how serious Baker and the school are when it comes to reaching that goal. That deal includes a buyout that starts at $2.1 million and decreases annually.

Even with that annual decrease, Littrell would have to pay $1.68 million to leave UNT for another job following the upcoming season."

https://dentonrc.com/sports/unt-makes-ke...41a6c.html

Check the date on the article you got your info from...AUG 2018. It was talking about LAST SEASON and if he left it would have been 1.6 million

This is an article on the contracts I believe 4 that UNT and the FB 2 BB and AD signed. To the left it list the details of each contract and below is what it said about the UNT fb coach. Stop trying so hard to prove what you want something to be and ACTUALLY READ what it says. YOUR LINK had the below.


Seth Littrell, football — Signed a one-year extension that takes him through the 2022 season and bumps his yearly base salary from $900,000 to $1.2 million and his total compensation from just under $1 million last season to $1.4 million.

You honestly have no clue. It is all right there is plan English, but you just can't grasp it. We have yet to play the 2019 season, so $1.6 million is still his current buyout, and $1.08 million will be his buyout after this season. Anyone that clicks on my link will understand why you are wrong. In my years on this blog I have never run across anyone as obtuse as you.

I am done with this discussion. Have a good evening.

You are 100% correct it is all there in plain English. But it's you that cant comprehend what you are reading. The article you linked to was talking about if he left after the upcoming season the buyout would be 1.6 million . Since the article was Aug 2018 it was talking about the up coming season as ....LAST SEASON.

Anyone that clicks on your link will see the article was wrote before the 2018 season and it's not talking about the up coming season. I tend to upset people because I do research things I get in a debate about and some dont like that. I'm sure some would have came to you aid and pointed out where I was wrong. No one has and that should tell you something.

1. you dont understand what you read
2. too hard headed to admit you are 100% wrong.

EDIT: It's not a freaking blog and if you had said assshole I might have agreed with you but someone that doesn't know the difference between a freak message board and a blog and there is a huge difference shouldnt say anyone is obtuse. You seem to get pissed off because I call out your bull**** argument or statements.

Here's the article

Quote:UNT makes key moves to lock up leadership in athletics
By Brett Vito Staff Writer bvito@dentonrc.com Aug 14, 2018

North Texas athletic director Wren Baker vowed to do all he could to hang on to Seth Littrell following the Mean Green’s second straight bowl appearance last season.

Littrell’s new five-year contract shows just how serious Baker and the school are when it comes to reaching that goal. That deal includes a buyout that starts at $2.1 million and decreases annually.

Even with that annual decrease, Littrell would have to pay $1.68 million to leave UNT for another job following the upcoming season.

That total would rank eighth on the list of the highest buyouts paid by a coach in college football history.

Littrell’s new deal was among four contracts obtained by the Denton Record-Chronicle through an open records request. Those deals show the commitment UNT has made to keep the leadership of its athletic department in place following one of the most successful seasons in program history.

This is a side bar to the article

Quote:UNT contract extensions
The North Texas athletic department locked up three of its key coaches as well as athletic director Wren Baker when they signed new contracts this summer. The following is a look at those deals:

Seth Littrell, football — Signed a one-year extension that takes him through the 2022 season and bumps his yearly base salary from $900,000 to $1.2 million and his total compensation from just under $1 million last season to $1.4 million.