(06-16-2019 08:00 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  12 to have a champ game was the old rules but the CFP payout is $10 million max and that hasn't changed.

It’s a million payout per team up to 10 teams. The only thing that changed was the max requirement to have a CCG.

(06-16-2019 12:58 PM)Noodles Wrote:  And if survival is all we can accomplish, at what point does it stop making sense?

That is where next realignment will be about. After some drop, the remaining will reorganize.

(06-16-2019 08:37 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 08:00 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  12 to have a champ game was the old rules but the CFP payout is $10 million max and that hasn't changed.

It’s a million payout per team up to 10 teams. The only thing that changed was the max requirement to have a CCG.

Actually,
$1 million per up to 12 teams.

If you are depending on TV money then you have serious issues since your game revenue must only be 100k.

For now, Charlotte is making it without any significant TV money. I am certainly not saying that we wouldn't love to have millions coming in, but we are living within our means, our scholarships are fully-funded and our facilities are pretty good compared to our peers. Athletics is sitting on a $49 million war chest, and we should unveil our Athletic Facilities Master Plan in a few months. I expect to see upgrades and refreshing across the department, including a football stadium expansion (that will be separately funded through a major gift). We are at 30k students on our way to 45k, and this is what makes the math work.

(06-16-2019 09:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 08:37 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 08:00 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  12 to have a champ game was the old rules but the CFP payout is $10 million max and that hasn't changed.

It’s a million payout per team up to 10 teams. The only thing that changed was the max requirement to have a CCG.

Actually,
$1 million per up to 12 teams.

Originally, the equally shared portion of the G5 CFP cut was 1 million a team for up to 12 teams. It was changed a few years ago to a million per team with a max of 10 million per conference. This change was agreed to by the G5 because they wanted to increase the size of the “G5 performance” pool.

(06-16-2019 12:58 PM)Noodles Wrote:  And if survival is all we can accomplish, at what point does it stop making sense?

If S. Miss is depending on a extra 500k to 1.5 million a year from TV dollars. The school should drop football. Or go to a 5 game home schedule and sign to play Bama and Auburn every year.....

that will create around $3,500,000 after cost if S. Miss buses to the games ..both are paying 1.9 million to 2.2 million

The home game S. Miss is giving up will generate $350,000 to $500,000, maybe less after expenses.

30k x $26 avg = $780,000 then you have to pay the FCS team...$200 to 300k
25k X $26 ticket avg =$650,000

As I said it would be a lot easier playing 5 home games and 2 games for a huge check

College football can survive indefinitely without TV revenue. As proof, there was college football for at least 60 years before TVs became a common household item.

Now, if you're asking how long we can continue as an ego based endevour where d*ck measuring through facilities and coaches salaries is more important than collegiate mission, that's a different question.

(06-16-2019 09:51 PM)banker Wrote:  College football can survive indefinitely without TV revenue. As proof, there was college football for at least 60 years before TVs became a common household item.

Now, if you're asking how long we can continue as an ego based endevour where d*ck measuring through facilities and coaches salaries is more important than collegiate mission, that's a different question.

True and some schools do a lot better with less than those trying to win the water cooler championship.

You can have the best stadium or the highest paid coach or win the recruiting ratings...

I will take wins and conference championships over the water cooler championships. Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western? At least where it counts.

It's all in the way you do your books and count expenses. Some schools football stadium and basketball arena are "state buildings" and comes out of the general funds. Other list any expenses to update or run them as expenses in their AD budget .

Using ODU again as another example they list $13,584,792 for coaching and staff

Western $10,089,843
Marshall $9,203,698
S. Miss $7,194,222

If you just look at football and basketball, the two highest paid staffs...it doesn't add up that ODU is paid 3 to 6 million more. I expect that 13 million includes all state benefits among other things, like insurance and retirement, that is way higher in Virgina than KY, Mississippi and W Virgina.

Again millions added to a budget that might be funded/paid by the state- general fund in KY.

SCHOLARSHIPS eats up another 6 to 10 million in most budgets. But that's really just a line in the budget and money that is passed back to the school....paid out of School Funds in the AD Budget

Real expense in football is probably under 5 million a year and most of us earns 2 to 3x that amount on tickets, pay check games, donations, monies from the football payout

This thread is like summer reruns on TV. We have been thru all this before(including the numbers)---unless you are new to this board. A close version has also been seen on a few other boards.

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 09:51 PM)banker Wrote:  College football can survive indefinitely without TV revenue. As proof, there was college football for at least 60 years before TVs became a common household item.

Now, if you're asking how long we can continue as an ego based endevour where d*ck measuring through facilities and coaches salaries is more important than collegiate mission, that's a different question.

True and some schools do a lot better with less than those trying to win the water cooler championship.

You can have the best stadium or the highest paid coach or win the recruiting ratings...

I will take wins and conference championships over the water cooler championships. Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western? At least where it counts.

It's all in the way you do your books and count expenses. Some schools football stadium and basketball arena are "state buildings" and comes out of the general funds. Other list any expenses to update or run them as expenses in their AD budget .

Using ODU again as another example they list $13,584,792 for coaching and staff

Western $10,089,843
Marshall $9,203,698
S. Miss $7,194,222

If you just look at football and basketball, the two highest paid staffs...it doesn't add up that ODU is paid 3 to 6 million more. I expect that 13 million includes all state benefits among other things, like insurance and retirement, that is way higher in Virgina than KY, Mississippi and W Virgina.

Again millions added to a budget that might be funded/paid by the state- general fund in KY.

SCHOLARSHIPS eats up another 6 to 10 million in most budgets. But that's really just a line in the budget and money that is passed back to the school....paid out of School Funds in the AD Budget

Real expense in football is probably under 5 million a year and most of us earns 2 to 3x that amount on tickets, pay check games, donations, monies from the football payout

You have to look at cost-of-living also. It's a lot more expensive to live in Virginia vs Kentucky, Mississippi, or West Virginia.

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western?

ODU sports = 19

WKU sports = 16
USM sports = 15
Marshall sports = 15

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  At least where it counts.

Well, if you are just comparing football and basketball, I would just do that instead of saying things like "does anyone believe ODU is spending $26M more.. etc." Sometimes it's simply a counting exercise, among the other points you listed.

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 09:51 PM)banker Wrote:  College football can survive indefinitely without TV revenue. As proof, there was college football for at least 60 years before TVs became a common household item.

Now, if you're asking how long we can continue as an ego based endevour where d*ck measuring through facilities and coaches salaries is more important than collegiate mission, that's a different question.

True and some schools do a lot better with less than those trying to win the water cooler championship.

You can have the best stadium or the highest paid coach or win the recruiting ratings...

I will take wins and conference championships over the water cooler championships. Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western? At least where it counts.

It's all in the way you do your books and count expenses. Some schools football stadium and basketball arena are "state buildings" and comes out of the general funds. Other list any expenses to update or run them as expenses in their AD budget .

Using ODU again as another example they list $13,584,792 for coaching and staff

Western $10,089,843
Marshall $9,203,698
S. Miss $7,194,222

If you just look at football and basketball, the two highest paid staffs...it doesn't add up that ODU is paid 3 to 6 million more. I expect that 13 million includes all state benefits among other things, like insurance and retirement, that is way higher in Virgina than KY, Mississippi and W Virgina.

Again millions added to a budget that might be funded/paid by the state- general fund in KY.

SCHOLARSHIPS eats up another 6 to 10 million in most budgets. But that's really just a line in the budget and money that is passed back to the school....paid out of School Funds in the AD Budget

Real expense in football is probably under 5 million a year and most of us earns 2 to 3x that amount on tickets, pay check games, donations, monies from the football payout

First of all i do not know why you brought the number comparison with ODU into the picture but VA has a strict reporting policy so there are limitations on fudging the numbers in reporting even if we wanted to while its different from some other states we have to follow it. Second of all we bring in a significant portion of money of that 26 MM you listed through fundraising and tickets so our reliance on TV money is a moot point in the big picture, while we like to have an additional MM in the budget its only < 5% of our total revenue so big ******* deal if it doesn't show up. Last year we raised 16.1 MM and its top 5 in G5. Its a loop'd'loop and this keeps coming on this board when ever money talks come up so some ODU grad with accounting major can explain it in a way that makes sense to Kentucky folk here.

(06-16-2019 01:27 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  We need a new commissioner that can actually sell a product instead of putting her own product down. We were ahead of the AAC in football just a few years ago when these things were being negotiated, but she couldn't get a good percentage of what they got. She needs to go yesterday.

https://6abc.com/5349785/?utm_campaign=t...RTTovMCJI8

Judy? Maybe this would solve our problems. lol

Need to replace 'survive' with 'compete'.

(06-17-2019 11:58 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  Need to replace 'survive' with 'compete'.

I mean, FCS has “survived” all these years. What good does it do them?

(06-17-2019 07:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western?

ODU sports = 19

WKU sports = 16
USM sports = 15
Marshall sports = 15

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  At least where it counts.

Well, if you are just comparing football and basketball, I would just do that instead of saying things like "does anyone believe ODU is spending $26M more.. etc." Sometimes it's simply a counting exercise, among the other points you listed.

Sometimes it's simply a exercise in logic....

Do you really think Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey, cost 16 million a year? That's 5.3 million on each. If so it goes to the point I was making, that ODU has a 46 million dollar AD budget....

but where it counts, for this topic, that 46 million is no better than Western's or Marshall's 30 million. The budgets are not apples to apples

What is the budget for ODU Football and Basketball? In the end that's really what we are talking about or care about. Not the Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey.

(06-17-2019 01:03 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western?

ODU sports = 19

WKU sports = 16
USM sports = 15
Marshall sports = 15

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  At least where it counts.

Well, if you are just comparing football and basketball, I would just do that instead of saying things like "does anyone believe ODU is spending $26M more.. etc." Sometimes it's simply a counting exercise, among the other points you listed.

Sometimes it's simply a exercise in logic....

Do you really think Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey, cost 16 million a year? That's 5.3 million on each. If so it goes to the point I was making, that ODU has a 46 million dollar AD budget....

but where it counts, for this topic, that 46 million is no better than Western's or Marshall's 30 million. The budgets are not apples to apples

What is the budget for ODU Football and Basketball? In the end that's really what we are talking about or care about. Not the Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey.

More sports + more spending on the sports they have in CUSA. Plus there's something to do with how athletic budgets are computed in Virginia that makes them a difficult comparison to other schools. JMU's athletic budget is $48 million and they're not even FBS.

(06-17-2019 07:24 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 09:51 PM)banker Wrote:  College football can survive indefinitely without TV revenue. As proof, there was college football for at least 60 years before TVs became a common household item.

Now, if you're asking how long we can continue as an ego based endevour where d*ck measuring through facilities and coaches salaries is more important than collegiate mission, that's a different question.

True and some schools do a lot better with less than those trying to win the water cooler championship.

You can have the best stadium or the highest paid coach or win the recruiting ratings...

I will take wins and conference championships over the water cooler championships. Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western? At least where it counts.

It's all in the way you do your books and count expenses. Some schools football stadium and basketball arena are "state buildings" and comes out of the general funds. Other list any expenses to update or run them as expenses in their AD budget .

Using ODU again as another example they list $13,584,792 for coaching and staff

Western $10,089,843
Marshall $9,203,698
S. Miss $7,194,222

If you just look at football and basketball, the two highest paid staffs...it doesn't add up that ODU is paid 3 to 6 million more. I expect that 13 million includes all state benefits among other things, like insurance and retirement, that is way higher in Virgina than KY, Mississippi and W Virgina.

Again millions added to a budget that might be funded/paid by the state- general fund in KY.

SCHOLARSHIPS eats up another 6 to 10 million in most budgets. But that's really just a line in the budget and money that is passed back to the school....paid out of School Funds in the AD Budget

Real expense in football is probably under 5 million a year and most of us earns 2 to 3x that amount on tickets, pay check games, donations, monies from the football payout

First of all i do not know why you brought the number comparison with ODU into the picture but VA has a strict reporting policy so there are limitations on fudging the numbers in reporting even if we wanted to while its different from some other states we have to follow it. Second of all we bring in a significant portion of money of that 26 MM you listed through fundraising and tickets so our reliance on TV money is a moot point in the big picture, while we like to have an additional MM in the budget its only < 5% of our total revenue so big ******* deal if it doesn't show up. Last year we raised 16.1 MM and its top 5 in G5. Its a loop'd'loop and this keeps coming on this board when ever money talks come up so some ODU grad with accounting major can explain it in a way that makes sense to Kentucky folk here.

Get the stick out of your ass. I used ODU Because it's the largest budget in CUSA and it has zero to do with how ODU funds their budget. But if you cant explain something...dont even talk about it. Wait for one of those accounting major to do it for you. Before one tries, I'm not interested in the how.....

its really not related to what I say or comparing because as you pointed out it's all, well mostly, in the way we do our books. That's where things differ the most.

(06-17-2019 01:09 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 01:03 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 07:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Plus does anyone really believes ODU is spending $26 more million than S. Miss or $16 million more than Marshall or Western?

ODU sports = 19

WKU sports = 16
USM sports = 15
Marshall sports = 15

(06-17-2019 12:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  At least where it counts.

Well, if you are just comparing football and basketball, I would just do that instead of saying things like "does anyone believe ODU is spending $26M more.. etc." Sometimes it's simply a counting exercise, among the other points you listed.

Sometimes it's simply a exercise in logic....

Do you really think Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey, cost 16 million a year? That's 5.3 million on each. If so it goes to the point I was making, that ODU has a 46 million dollar AD budget....

but where it counts, for this topic, that 46 million is no better than Western's or Marshall's 30 million. The budgets are not apples to apples

What is the budget for ODU Football and Basketball? In the end that's really what we are talking about or care about. Not the Rowing, Sailing, and Field Hockey.

More sports + more spending on the sports they have in CUSA. Plus there's something to do with how athletic budgets are computed in Virginia that makes them a difficult comparison to other schools. JMU's athletic budget is $48 million and they're not even FBS.

That's the point I made or was making....

you look at 46 million to 30 million and some people thinks how can we compete with that. A lot of it is book keeping and in the two sports most of us care about....

there's not a lot of difference in spending. Sometimes the difference is only in the whats and why. Each state might not require every cost to be on the AD budget

But if we are talking overall budget, all sports....

Western is getting a their money worth. It's not what you are spending because Western has twice as many championships as any other school in CUSA since we joined in 2014. It was the same way in the SBC. But again there's really only 2 sports most care about