(06-04-2019 06:46 AM)Banter Wrote: I'm going to apologize for interrupting another thread of coaching discussion with a basketball question...
First ill preface by saying that I only understand basketball at the most basic of levels, and if it were not for UC I would probably not watch the sport. I understand that Cumberland #2 was a good shooter and has a track record of scoring at Oakland. I do understand that he had an offer/commitment to Michigan at one point. Why is Cumberland given a pass for playing in the Horizon while many saw Vogt as a questionable transfer because of his previous league affiliation?
I understand Vogt does not have "sexy" stats, but he is also younger and was not a starter. I am happy to get Cumberland, but it seems odd the knock against one kid was that " Oh we are now signing horizon level players, this is bad" and now with Cumberland it is "we are built for March" ...yet they were players from the same league.
Mostly because of the stats they put up. It's hard to make the jump from the lower level, but those who do have success tend to be stars at the lower level. Cane Broome for example was a star at Sacred Heart and was a quality backup at UC.
The other thing is players have to be able to deal with the increased size and strength of players at the higher level. Broome was a slasher and scored a lot on the interior at Sacred Heart, but at UC he had trouble getting to the rim and scoring with consistency. Body type matters and playing style matter when it comes to making the jump.
Jaevin was a star at a Oakland. But his bread and butter is as a spot up 3 point shooter. Three point shooting is easier to carry over than Slashing because threes are generally more open shots. With Jarron drawing the defensive focus, Jaevin may actually have any easier time getting open looks at UC. Defensively he's athletic enough to do well at UC's level, though he won't be a great defender.
Vogt and Sorolla on the other hand were backup bigs for their team. Vogt is skinny for his size (7'1", 240#), Nysier was listed at the same weight, but 2 inches shorter and Nysier was fairly skinny. To have a chance at this level, Vogt needs to put on weight in his transfer year. Neither of the Vogt or Sorolla is particularly impressive offensively, both had a TOV% of around 20%, Vogt was a horrible FT shooter and also committed a ton of fouls (Sorolla shot FT's reasonably well). Getting bodied by bigger/quicker guys will make everything harder for them.
It's difficult for the top low level players to make the jump to the higher level, expecting backups to make that jump and become a starter is very unrealistic. Vogt has multiple years so he might be able to do it, but Sorolla is probably just a backup/role-player here. I think both of them (especially Sorolla) will be counted as a success if they can provide 5-10 minutes per game and clog the lane on D and not get pushed around by the other teams big men. Offensively they can set screens and dunk the ball.