(08-04-2019 05:45 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 07:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I would love to hear that argument?

Smith expected Bassey to go to the NBA and then he didn't. He would have been settling for Bassey's scraps this year. You or I can see that he was the heir apparent for next year... but a 19 year old may not see it that way. From his perspective... what if Bassey came back again? Then he would have wasted a year of eligibility riding the pine when there are hundreds of D1 schools he could start for now.

Nelson plays a similar role as Anderson or Williams but is not as good as either of those players.

Banton was not really a point guard and likely would have lost a lot of minutes to Cooper and Rawls. He might could play the three, but we are loaded at that position.

Diagne and Horton had no chance at much floor time this year. At the time they transferred they were fighting to be the third option behind Bassey and Smith.

Ohmer... please. He wasn't going to sniff the floor this year unless we were up 30.

As I said none of the players that were starting at the end of last year have transferred. If there were some larger problem wouldn't some of those core players have left?

And PS... our best team of this century was 2008. Our big man that year was Matt Maresca. Nothing against Matt but Charles Bassey he was not.

That 2008 team also had Jeremy Evans playing center/forward for a lot more minutes than Magley. Lets not act like the offense was ran through either of those...

Clee, Brazelton and AJ Slaugher took most of the shots.

As for the argument of seeing your minutes taking away...

Banton was gone long before Cooper or Rawls even thought about playing for Western. Diagne and Horton left because Stansbury needed their scholarship. And again just like with Banton, Horton was gone way before Bassey dropped out of the draft. So it was Horton and Smith fighting for starter. If you had asked 100 people 98% would have bet Bassey was gone. You dont go into summer practice if playing time is a issue. Marek Nelson played 13 mpg last year and knew his role and those minutes were probably more if not for the injury.

Maybe why those starters last year are still here...they are treated different.

You seem to think everything is all about this year, it isnt and as of aug 4th 2019 Western has basically no centers and one SF on the roster for next season. Its one reason Western is down, up, down, hopefully up, and most likely down again....

adding 9 to 10 players to a team each and every year and adding 2-3 GTs every year. I bet most Western fans that are hinting at, not really a big deal at those leaving the program. Said different when they signed.

I wonder why its such a problem at Western and not other schools...playing time? So Western is now different than the other college programs that usually lose a player or 2? 23 players over 3 classes avg 1 year at the school and there are still 2 or 3 players not listed that will play 2 years or less at Western.

Year 4 those things should have work their self out. You might get lucky and build A team but you dont build a program with many good TEAMS, year after year losing 23 player that played on avg 1 season

(08-04-2019 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 05:45 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 07:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I would love to hear that argument?

Smith expected Bassey to go to the NBA and then he didn't. He would have been settling for Bassey's scraps this year. You or I can see that he was the heir apparent for next year... but a 19 year old may not see it that way. From his perspective... what if Bassey came back again? Then he would have wasted a year of eligibility riding the pine when there are hundreds of D1 schools he could start for now.

Nelson plays a similar role as Anderson or Williams but is not as good as either of those players.

Banton was not really a point guard and likely would have lost a lot of minutes to Cooper and Rawls. He might could play the three, but we are loaded at that position.

Diagne and Horton had no chance at much floor time this year. At the time they transferred they were fighting to be the third option behind Bassey and Smith.

Ohmer... please. He wasn't going to sniff the floor this year unless we were up 30.

As I said none of the players that were starting at the end of last year have transferred. If there were some larger problem wouldn't some of those core players have left?

And PS... our best team of this century was 2008. Our big man that year was Matt Maresca. Nothing against Matt but Charles Bassey he was not.

That 2008 team also had Jeremy Evans playing center/forward for a lot more minutes than Magley. Lets not act like the offense was ran through either of those...

Clee, Brazelton and AJ Slaugher took most of the shots.

As for the argument of seeing your minutes taking away...

Banton was gone long before Cooper or Rawls even thought about playing for Western. Diagne and Horton left because Stansbury needed their scholarship. And again just like with Banton, Horton was gone way before Bassey dropped out of the draft. So it was Horton and Smith fighting for starter. If you had asked 100 people 98% would have bet Bassey was gone. You dont go into summer practice if playing time is a issue. Marek Nelson played 13 mpg last year and knew his role and those minutes were probably more if not for the injury.

Maybe why those starters last year are still here...they are treated different.

You seem to think everything is all about this year, it isnt and as of aug 4th 2019 Western has basically no centers and one SF on the roster for next season. Its one reason Western is down, up, down, hopefully up, and most likely down again....

adding 9 to 10 players to a team each and every year and adding 2-3 GTs every year. I bet most Western fans that are hinting at, not really a big deal at those leaving the program. Said different when they signed.

I wonder why its such a problem at Western and not other schools...playing time? So Western is now different than the other college programs that usually lose a player or 2? 23 players over 3 classes avg 1 year at the school and there are still 2 or 3 players not listed that will play 2 years or less at Western.

Year 4 those things should have work their self out. You might get lucky and build A team but you dont build a program with many good TEAMS, year after year losing 23 player that played on avg 1 season

Gunz I approve of this message. It’s a problem. No one knows for sure what the problem is... but there is a problem. You also made an interesting point about some guys being treated differently. Interesting point.

UTEP has lost freshmen Jesse Zarzuela. He had an offer from LaTech and some other D1 schools. He came and worked out with the team over the summer. He was always working with the #3s, so I guess he saw the writing on the wall that he was not going to play this year. Best of luck to the kid. Glad he at least came to UTEP to give it a shot.

(08-05-2019 12:48 PM)Theflash Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 09:50 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 05:45 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 07:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I would love to hear that argument?

Smith expected Bassey to go to the NBA and then he didn't. He would have been settling for Bassey's scraps this year. You or I can see that he was the heir apparent for next year... but a 19 year old may not see it that way. From his perspective... what if Bassey came back again? Then he would have wasted a year of eligibility riding the pine when there are hundreds of D1 schools he could start for now.

Nelson plays a similar role as Anderson or Williams but is not as good as either of those players.

Banton was not really a point guard and likely would have lost a lot of minutes to Cooper and Rawls. He might could play the three, but we are loaded at that position.

Diagne and Horton had no chance at much floor time this year. At the time they transferred they were fighting to be the third option behind Bassey and Smith.

Ohmer... please. He wasn't going to sniff the floor this year unless we were up 30.

As I said none of the players that were starting at the end of last year have transferred. If there were some larger problem wouldn't some of those core players have left?

And PS... our best team of this century was 2008. Our big man that year was Matt Maresca. Nothing against Matt but Charles Bassey he was not.

That 2008 team also had Jeremy Evans playing center/forward for a lot more minutes than Magley. Lets not act like the offense was ran through either of those...

Clee, Brazelton and AJ Slaugher took most of the shots.

As for the argument of seeing your minutes taking away...

Banton was gone long before Cooper or Rawls even thought about playing for Western. Diagne and Horton left because Stansbury needed their scholarship. And again just like with Banton, Horton was gone way before Bassey dropped out of the draft. So it was Horton and Smith fighting for starter. If you had asked 100 people 98% would have bet Bassey was gone. You dont go into summer practice if playing time is a issue. Marek Nelson played 13 mpg last year and knew his role and those minutes were probably more if not for the injury.

Maybe why those starters last year are still here...they are treated different.

You seem to think everything is all about this year, it isnt and as of aug 4th 2019 Western has basically no centers and one SF on the roster for next season. Its one reason Western is down, up, down, hopefully up, and most likely down again....

adding 9 to 10 players to a team each and every year and adding 2-3 GTs every year. I bet most Western fans that are hinting at, not really a big deal at those leaving the program. Said different when they signed.

I wonder why its such a problem at Western and not other schools...playing time? So Western is now different than the other college programs that usually lose a player or 2? 23 players over 3 classes avg 1 year at the school and there are still 2 or 3 players not listed that will play 2 years or less at Western.

Year 4 those things should have work their self out. You might get lucky and build A team but you dont build a program with many good TEAMS, year after year losing 23 player that played on avg 1 season

Gunz I approve of this message. It’s a problem. No one knows for sure what the problem is... but there is a problem. You also made an interesting point about some guys being treated differently. Interesting point.

I've heard a couple things but nothing that I know of personally. But I do trust the person that told me some players are treated a lot different and get away with a lot more.

I dont want to lose coach Stansbury because of this but he differently needs to fix this or the program will suffer with up and down seasons. Unless a coach was 100% an idiot like our former football coach....

I always thought it was quicker and better to fix a problem than hire a new coach. Even if it take a season or two longer. Seems like he's pressing to get that big season by going after players with only a year to play. Instead of building a program.

Honestly it's shocking that Western is even in the position of being a clear favorite this season with......

23 players in 3 years averaged 1 year of basketball at Western. If he can fix what ever is going on...you build a program that can make noise every year.

(08-04-2019 05:45 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 07:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I would love to hear that argument?

Smith expected Bassey to go to the NBA and then he didn't. He would have been settling for Bassey's scraps this year. You or I can see that he was the heir apparent for next year... but a 19 year old may not see it that way. From his perspective... what if Bassey came back again? Then he would have wasted a year of eligibility riding the pine when there are hundreds of D1 schools he could start for now.

Nelson plays a similar role as Anderson or Williams but is not as good as either of those players.

Banton was not really a point guard and likely would have lost a lot of minutes to Cooper and Rawls. He might could play the three, but we are loaded at that position.

Diagne and Horton had no chance at much floor time this year. At the time they transferred they were fighting to be the third option behind Bassey and Smith.

Ohmer... please. He wasn't going to sniff the floor this year unless we were up 30.

As I said none of the players that were starting at the end of last year have transferred. If there were some larger problem wouldn't some of those core players have left?

And PS... our best team of this century was 2008. Our big man that year was Matt Maresca. Nothing against Matt but Charles Bassey he was not.

What has Tolu Smith ever done to say "he would start for 100s of D1 schools?"

USM picked up a transfer from Coastal Carolina and it IMO is a true WTH player....

6-2 guard who redshirted this past season, played in 2017-18 but ended up redshirting and in that season he averaged less than a point and rebound each in the 4 games he played (my guess is he scored 2 points in the 4 games he saw action). Hopefully there's more to the story than meets the eye


https://goccusports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=8320

99, that's a walk-on. He was also a walk-on at CCU.

We signed a 6'6" kid from Estonia this week. Artur Konontsuk.

Not a transfer but I'm super excited about the 7 footer Marshall has signed. I can't believe how well he moves and how smooth he is shooting/dribbling.

(08-08-2019 01:19 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I've heard a couple things but nothing that I know of personally. But I do trust the person that told me some players are treated a lot different and get away with a lot more.

I dont want to lose coach Stansbury because of this but he differently needs to fix this or the program will suffer with up and down seasons. Unless a coach was 100% an idiot like our former football coach....

I always thought it was quicker and better to fix a problem than hire a new coach. Even if it take a season or two longer. Seems like he's pressing to get that big season by going after players with only a year to play. Instead of building a program.

Honestly it's shocking that Western is even in the position of being a clear favorite this season with......

23 players in 3 years averaged 1 year of basketball at Western. If he can fix what ever is going on...you build a program that can make noise every year.

That's fair.

(08-09-2019 11:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  What has Tolu Smith ever done to say "he would start for 100s of D1 schools?"

Tolu Smith hasn't gotten much experience due to playing behind Charles Bassey but he is 6'10" 240 lbs and has excellent footwork. When he gets a little experience under his belt he will be very effective. He had 9 points in 9 minutes against West Virginia last year (not bad for a freshman who rode the pine most of the year).

Out of 340 or so D1 schools you're telling me the number of schools that would start Tolu wouldn't be in the triple digits?

It is rumored that Moustapha Diagne is transferring to La Salle.

(08-10-2019 08:07 AM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 11:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  What has Tolu Smith ever done to say "he would start for 100s of D1 schools?"

Tolu Smith hasn't gotten much experience due to playing behind Charles Bassey but he is 6'10" 240 lbs and has excellent footwork. When he gets a little experience under his belt he will be very effective. He had 9 points in 9 minutes against West Virginia last year (not bad for a freshman who rode the pine most of the year).

Out of 340 or so D1 schools you're telling me the number of schools that would start Tolu wouldn't be in the triple digits?

I don’t think Tolu is as good as he and his handlers think...Somehow he has gotten a big head and I am surprised so many SEC schools tripping over themselves to get him....I guarantee LSU gets him, I believe Will Wade has spoken to Tolu and tampered...Has Tolu shown potential, sure he has...However he has a long ways to go to develop. Last season he would make some good post moves but offset by missing bunny layups..I predict he will transfer again before all said and done...

(08-11-2019 07:06 PM)WKUAlum92 Wrote:  It is rumored that Moustapha Diagne is transferring to La Salle.

Would make sense, a place he can get minutes...I wish we had him back, we could use him now for sure...

(08-10-2019 08:07 AM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 11:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  What has Tolu Smith ever done to say "he would start for 100s of D1 schools?"

Tolu Smith hasn't gotten much experience due to playing behind Charles Bassey but he is 6'10" 240 lbs and has excellent footwork. When he gets a little experience under his belt he will be very effective. He had 9 points in 9 minutes against West Virginia last year (not bad for a freshman who rode the pine most of the year).

Out of 340 or so D1 schools you're telling me the number of schools that would start Tolu wouldn't be in the triple digits?

Start at some point in the future....maybe. You are talking about a dude that averaged 10 minutes (3 points) per game for a G5 school that wasn't one of the top 100 teams in the country. If he was good enough, he would have played.

(08-12-2019 11:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You are talking about a dude that averaged 10 minutes (3 points)

Dwight Coleby rode the pine for three years at Kansas. He averaged similar numbers there as Smith did here. He transfered to WKU, started and averaged 11 points a game and 8 boards.

(08-12-2019 11:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  for a G5 school that wasn't one of the top 100 teams in the country.

First of all we weren't bad last year exactly, just very inconsistent. When we were on we beat Wisconsin, West Virginia, and Arkansas in Fayetteville (a feat that Indiana could not repeat). Secondly... Charles Bassey was pretty elite even if our team was not. It was Bassey he had to beat out for minutes.

Rumor is that Smith might be going to an SEC team. We'll see, but if that is true they must see something more in him than 10 minutes and 3 points per game.

(08-12-2019 04:40 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-12-2019 11:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You are talking about a dude that averaged 10 minutes (3 points)

Dwight Coleby rode the pine for three years at Kansas. He averaged similar numbers there as Smith did here. He transfered to WKU, started and averaged 11 points a game and 8 boards.

(08-12-2019 11:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  for a G5 school that wasn't one of the top 100 teams in the country.

First of all we weren't bad last year exactly, just very inconsistent. When we were on we beat Wisconsin, West Virginia, and Arkansas in Fayetteville (a feat that Indiana could not repeat). Secondly... Charles Bassey was pretty elite even if our team was not. It was Bassey he had to beat out for minutes.

Rumor is that Smith might be going to an SEC team. We'll see, but if that is true they must see something more in him than 10 minutes and 3 points per game.

You think sitting at Western Kentucky is even remotely similar to sitting at Kansas?
If he was good enough last year, they would have found minutes for him.

(08-13-2019 10:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You think sitting at Western Kentucky is even remotely similar to sitting at Kansas?
If he was good enough last year, they would have found minutes for him.

In that Coleby sat behind a 5 star center at Kansas and Smith sat behind a 5 star center at WKU... yes, I do think they are remotely similar.

(08-13-2019 06:49 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You think sitting at Western Kentucky is even remotely similar to sitting at Kansas?
If he was good enough last year, they would have found minutes for him.

In that Coleby sat behind a 5 star center at Kansas and Smith sat behind a 5 star center at WKU... yes, I do think they are remotely similar.

Actually Landon Lucas started at center for Kansas. And Azuibuike backed him up.

Coleby then moved down conferences and was pretty solid at the lower level. Big difference from a guy that couldn't find minutes on a non top 100 team supposedly starting for hundreds of teams.

(08-13-2019 09:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 06:49 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You think sitting at Western Kentucky is even remotely similar to sitting at Kansas?
If he was good enough last year, they would have found minutes for him.

In that Coleby sat behind a 5 star center at Kansas and Smith sat behind a 5 star center at WKU... yes, I do think they are remotely similar.

Actually Landon Lucas started at center for Kansas. And Azuibuike backed him up.

Coleby then moved down conferences and was pretty solid at the lower level. Big difference from a guy that couldn't find minutes on a non top 100 team supposedly starting for hundreds of teams.

Tolu Smith has been hearing from several SEC teams (Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M) as well as West Virginia. He might not start for those teams as a redshirt sophomore, but he would damn sure start for the bottom half of D1 right now. That is well over 100 teams.

(08-13-2019 10:35 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 09:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 06:49 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 10:41 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You think sitting at Western Kentucky is even remotely similar to sitting at Kansas?
If he was good enough last year, they would have found minutes for him.

In that Coleby sat behind a 5 star center at Kansas and Smith sat behind a 5 star center at WKU... yes, I do think they are remotely similar.

Actually Landon Lucas started at center for Kansas. And Azuibuike backed him up.

Coleby then moved down conferences and was pretty solid at the lower level. Big difference from a guy that couldn't find minutes on a non top 100 team supposedly starting for hundreds of teams.

Tolu Smith has been hearing from several SEC teams (Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M) as well as West Virginia. He might not start for those teams as a redshirt sophomore, but he would damn sure start for the bottom half of D1 right now. That is well over 100 teams.

He may start in time. What we do know is that he did not start for a team that was almost bottom half of D1 last year.