(06-11-2019 08:05 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(06-09-2019 07:51 AM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(05-31-2019 09:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  Yep, jealous. WKU is clearly poised to repeat a the preseason #1 pick. Stans is building a preseason dynasty over there.

How many "almosts" did ODU have before they won?

2018: Finished 2nd.
2017: Finished 3rd.
2016: Finished 4th.
2015: Finished 3rd.

ODU had an almost dynasty until they didn't.

I love how all the WKU fans talk about JJ always blowing it and never winning the conference. AND winning one does not erase the shortfalls of any previous seasons. But for all the JJ trashing from you guys how many titles has WKU won since joining CUSA?

We've got a couple of football titles.

BTW I did not really mean that as a slam on ODU, merely pointing out that teams often flirt with a championship for quite a while before they actually win one.

It's probably more common for a team to be good for a few years and then finally break through than it is for a team to come from being bad to winning a championship in a single year.

(06-15-2019 09:02 AM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  We've got a couple of football titles.

BTW I did not really mean that as a slam on ODU, merely pointing out that teams often flirt with a championship for quite a while before they actually win one.

It's probably more common for a team to be good for a few years and then finally break through than it is for a team to come from being bad to winning a championship in a single year.

Understood. Up until last year, you could say a good chunk of fans on the boards wanted JJ gone, despite never finishing worse than 5th in the conference. That is the fear many have with Jones: good enough not to get fired, but not good enough to bring home championships.

Rice is getting a 6-10 post from Texas Tech (Malik Ondigo) as a true transfer (sit out a year, two years of eligibility after that). He didn't play a ton for Tech in his two years (18 games last year of mostly limited action) but he's a 3 star recruit out of high school so I suspect he'll get plenty of playing time at Rice for his final two years. That should do it for 2019-20. We lost just one freshman from last year, which in this day and age is about as good as you can hope for.

(04-05-2019 08:01 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Figured tracking a list of players transferring to and from CUSA schools might be beneficial. Here is what I have so far:

All sources are compiled from Verbal Commits unless otherwise noted

Announced intent to transfer:

Charlotte
FR PF Dravon Mangum to Radford
SO PG Jaylan McGill to Carson–Newman

FAU
FR SG Kevaughn Ellis
JR SG Cedric Jackson

FIU
JR PG Marcus Burwell to Catawba
SR SG Willy Nunez to Rider
FR SF Phillip Smith
SO PG Cordell Veira

La Tech
SO SF Anthony Duruji to Florida
JR SG Ra'Shawn Langston to McNeese State
JR C Kyle McKinley to Concordia St Paul

Marshall
FR PG Wilhelm von Arndt

MTSU
JR SG Darnell Butler Jr to Southern Indiana
FR PG Kentebe Farquhar to South Plains College
RSFR PF TJ Massenburg to College of Central Florida

ODU
SO PG Justice Kithcart to Nicholls State

Rice
FR C Quentin Millora-Brown

UAB
SO SG Nolan Bertain to Texas A&M Corpus Christi
JR PG Anderson McCoy to Delta State

UNT
JR PG Ryan Woolridge to San Diego
FR PF Mark Tikhonenko to Sam Houston State

UTEP
FR SG Jakobe Dill to Navarro College
SO PG Evan Gilyard to New Mexico State
SO PG Kobe Magee

UTSA
FR PG Tamir Bynum to Prairie View A&M
JR SF Mitar Stanojevic

WKU
JR C Moustapha Diagne
FR PG Delano Banton to Nebraska
JR PF Matt Horton to Pittsburg State
SO PG Jake Ohmer


Incoming Transfers

Char: 3* Amidou Bamba from Coastal Carolina (eligible immediately)
Char: 4* Drew Edwards from Providence (eligible immediately)
FAU: 2* JR PG Cornelius Taylor from Lincoln Memorial (eligible immediately)
FIU : 3/4* Sedee Keita (eligible immediately)
MTSU: 3* SO SG Jordan Davis from Dayton
MTSU: 2* SO PG Jalen Jordan from St. Francis Brooklyn
Rice: 3* JR PG Tommy McCarthy from Harvard (eligible immediately)
Rice: 3* SO F Malik Ondigo from Texas Tech
UAB: 2* JR SF Rashawn Fredericks from Cincinnati
UNT: 2* JR PF Deng Geu from North Dakota State (eligible immediately)
WKU: 3/4* JR SG Camron Justice from IUPUI (eligible immediately)
WKU: 2* JR PG Kenny Cooper from Lipscomb

Thanks for that update FBO. I went in yesterday and made some updates. Are there any others that I'm missing? Edit - made another pass through at incoming transfers. Let me know if it needs any changes

(06-17-2019 06:35 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 08:01 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Figured tracking a list of players transferring to and from CUSA schools might be beneficial. Here is what I have so far:

All sources are compiled from Verbal Commits unless otherwise noted

Announced intent to transfer:

Charlotte
FR PF Dravon Mangum to Radford
SO PG Jaylan McGill to Carson–Newman

FAU
FR SG Kevaughn Ellis
JR SG Cedric Jackson

FIU
JR PG Marcus Burwell to Catawba
SR SG Willy Nunez to Rider
FR SF Phillip Smith
SO PG Cordell Veira

La Tech
SO SF Anthony Duruji to Florida
JR SG Ra'Shawn Langston to McNeese State
JR C Kyle McKinley to Concordia St Paul

Marshall
FR PG Wilhelm von Arndt

MTSU
JR SG Darnell Butler Jr to Southern Indiana
FR PG Kentebe Farquhar to South Plains College
RSFR PF TJ Massenburg to College of Central Florida

ODU
SO PG Justice Kithcart to Nicholls State

Rice
FR C Quentin Millora-Brown

UAB
SO SG Nolan Bertain to Texas A&M Corpus Christi
JR PG Anderson McCoy to Delta State

UNT
JR PG Ryan Woolridge to San Diego
FR PF Mark Tikhonenko to Sam Houston State

UTEP
FR SG Jakobe Dill to Navarro College
SO PG Evan Gilyard to New Mexico State
SO PG Kobe Magee

UTSA
FR PG Tamir Bynum to Prairie View A&M
JR SF Mitar Stanojevic

WKU
JR C Moustapha Diagne
FR PG Delano Banton to Nebraska
JR PF Matt Horton to Pittsburg State
SO PG Jake Ohmer


Incoming Transfers

Char: 3* Amidou Bamba from Coastal Carolina (eligible immediately)
Char: 4* Drew Edwards from Providence (eligible immediately)
FAU: 2* JR PG Cornelius Taylor from Lincoln Memorial (eligible immediately)
FIU : 3/4* Sedee Keita (eligible immediately)
MTSU: 3* SO SG Jordan Davis from Dayton
MTSU: 2* SO PG Jalen Jordan from St. Francis Brooklyn
Rice: 3* JR PG Tommy McCarthy from Harvard (eligible immediately)
Rice: 3* SO F Malik Ondigo from Texas Tech
UAB: 2* JR SF Rashawn Fredericks from Cincinnati
UNT: 2* JR PF Deng Geu from North Dakota State (eligible immediately)
WKU: 3/4* JR SG Camron Justice from IUPUI (eligible immediately)
WKU: 2* JR PG Kenny Cooper from Lipscomb

Thanks for that update FBO. I went in yesterday and made some updates. Are there any others that I'm missing? Edit - made another pass through at incoming transfers. Let me know if it needs any changes

ODU: Anthony Oliver. SG Clemson

(06-17-2019 09:22 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  ODU: Anthony Oliver. SG Clemson

To make things unnecessarily confusing, I only added transfers who were announced this off-season. Dunno if that was the right call.

(06-17-2019 11:06 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 09:22 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  ODU: Anthony Oliver. SG Clemson

To make things unnecessarily confusing, I only added transfers who were announced this off-season. Dunno if that was the right call.

I mean, they're in the 2019 class. So they should be included.

clt says Charlotte has best recruiting class plus a three star and four star transfer....time to make room at haltron for more banners

https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/...01153?s=21

UTEP picks up an Xavier transfer.

The addition of Keonte Kennedy will give UTEP three guards that were all rated at 4* guys coming out of high school. All three are big guards as well, measuring 6'4"-6'6"

Super addition. Let us not forget though-- the obvious--team chemistry.

Welp. Three more defections from WKU since this was last updated. Incoming recruit Ongenda is gone, reserve forward Nelson is gone, and now Tolu Smith is gone.

None of these guys would have been starters but the depth is hurt a little bit particularly with Smith. He will be a star somewhere else and he would have been our starting center in '20-21.

Thanks for bumping it, even with bad news. I'll update when I'm at a computer again.

Any other news from other teams since this was last updated?

Dropping like flies here in BG.

(08-03-2019 02:20 PM)Theflash Wrote:  Dropping like flies here in BG.

Any particular reason(s) why or is this just primadonna athletes being primadonna athletes?

(08-03-2019 02:29 PM)DogsWin1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 02:20 PM)Theflash Wrote:  Dropping like flies here in BG.

Any particular reason(s) why or is this just primadonna athletes being primadonna athletes?

In the case of Ongenda he was kind of poached by an assistant that left.

Who really knows but you could make an argument that all of these guys transferred because of their perceived (lack of) playing time this coming season. None of the main 7 or 8 guys that will be in the rotation has left. That gives me hope that it is not really a systematic problem so much as it is just kids doing what they feel is best for them.

(08-04-2019 06:51 AM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 02:29 PM)DogsWin1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2019 02:20 PM)Theflash Wrote:  Dropping like flies here in BG.

Any particular reason(s) why or is this just primadonna athletes being primadonna athletes?

In the case of Ongenda he was kind of poached by an assistant that left.

Who really knows but you could make an argument that all of these guys transferred because of their perceived (lack of) playing time this coming season. None of the main 7 or 8 guys that will be in the rotation has left. That gives me hope that it is not really a systematic problem so much as it is just kids doing what they feel is best for them.

I would love to hear that argument? Western has one player over 6'7 and the 6'7 (most likely shorter than that) is a lightly recruited Fr that most fans wasn't predicting very many minute...3 weeks ago. Smith is a kid Stansbury has gushed about being a steal, since he signed him.

This team has 2 former OVC players and 2 former Horizon League players..all 4 (if the NCAA rules in favor of Cooper) expecting 15 or more minutes a game. So one thing is for sure water cooler talk on recruiting rankings is useless. Or these players are leaving for other reasons. It's hard to use the excuse "they were recruited over" when Western is playing with 7 to 10 players the last few years.

In 3 years Western has had 23 players to transfer or only avg 1 year of basketball at Western. That list includes GTs. I believe 4, of those were 4 star recruits.

23 player and a total of 22.5 years of basketball

TOBIAS HOWARD 1
DAMARI PARRIS 1
Marty Leahy .5
JUNIOR LOMOMBA 1 (GT)
PANCAKE THOMAS 1 (GT)
QUE JOHNSON 1 (GT)
LAMONTE BEARDEN 1.5
Marko Stajkovski .5
Darius Thompson 1 (GT)
Dwight Coleby 1 (GT)
Jake Ohmer 2
Marek Nelson 2
Moustapha Diagne 1.5
Dalano Banton 1
DeSean Murray .5 (GT)
Matt Horton 1
CAMRON JUSTICE 1 (GT)
KENNY COOPER 1 (Sr)
Mitchell Robinson 0
Trevelin Queen 0
Jordan Brangers 0
Nick Ongenda 0
Tolu Smith 1

(08-04-2019 07:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I would love to hear that argument?

Smith expected Bassey to go to the NBA and then he didn't. He would have been settling for Bassey's scraps this year. You or I can see that he was the heir apparent for next year... but a 19 year old may not see it that way. From his perspective... what if Bassey came back again? Then he would have wasted a year of eligibility riding the pine when there are hundreds of D1 schools he could start for now.

Nelson plays a similar role as Anderson or Williams but is not as good as either of those players.

Banton was not really a point guard and likely would have lost a lot of minutes to Cooper and Rawls. He might could play the three, but we are loaded at that position.

Diagne and Horton had no chance at much floor time this year. At the time they transferred they were fighting to be the third option behind Bassey and Smith.

Ohmer... please. He wasn't going to sniff the floor this year unless we were up 30.

As I said none of the players that were starting at the end of last year have transferred. If there were some larger problem wouldn't some of those core players have left?

And PS... our best team of this century was 2008. Our big man that year was Matt Maresca. Nothing against Matt but Charles Bassey he was not.

(08-04-2019 07:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Smith is a kid Stansbury has gushed about being a steal, since he signed him.

Whoops. Self-fulfilling prophecy :/

(08-04-2019 05:45 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  

(08-04-2019 07:15 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I would love to hear that argument?

Smith expected Bassey to go to the NBA and then he didn't. He would have been settling for Bassey's scraps this year. You or I can see that he was the heir apparent for next year... but a 19 year old may not see it that way. From his perspective... what if Bassey came back again? Then he would have wasted a year of eligibility riding the pine when there are hundreds of D1 schools he could start for now.

Nelson plays a similar role as Anderson or Williams but is not as good as either of those players.

Banton was not really a point guard and likely would have lost a lot of minutes to Cooper and Rawls. He might could play the three, but we are loaded at that position.

Diagne and Horton had no chance at much floor time this year. At the time they transferred they were fighting to be the third option behind Bassey and Smith.

Ohmer... please. He wasn't going to sniff the floor this year unless we were up 30.

As I said none of the players that were starting at the end of last year have transferred. If there were some larger problem wouldn't some of those core players have left?

And PS... our best team of this century was 2008. Our big man that year was Matt Maresca. Nothing against Matt but Charles Bassey he was not.

Our starting Center on the 2007-08 Team was D.J. Magley. I agree with everything else.