One would hope our excellent performance as a conference over the past 5 years would have demonstrated to some bowls that our champ is waaaaay superior to a 6-7 win 'P5' team, who views getting to that bowl as a failure of a season.

(03-05-2019 08:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  One would hope our excellent performance as a conference over the past 5 years would have demonstrated to some bowls that our champ is waaaaay superior to a 6-7 win 'P5' team, who views getting to that bowl as a failure of a season.

A line up of

Tier 1
Liberty (Champ/highest ranked) vs Big 12/SEC
Independence (best non division winner) vs SEC/ACC
Sun (West division winner or next best) vs PAC/Armed Forces vs Big 12
Military (East division winner, next best) vs ACC

Tier 2 (Best fit)
Armed Forces/Sun vs MWC
St. Pete vs ACC/CUSA
Birmingham vs SEC #10

Would be a serious upgrade over now and at least prestige wise would help a lot.

(03-05-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 08:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  One would hope our excellent performance as a conference over the past 5 years would have demonstrated to some bowls that our champ is waaaaay superior to a 6-7 win 'P5' team, who views getting to that bowl as a failure of a season.

A line up of

Tier 1
Liberty (Champ/highest ranked) vs Big 12/SEC
Independence (best non division winner) vs SEC/ACC
Sun (West division winner or next best) vs PAC/Armed Forces vs Big 12
Military (East division winner, next best) vs ACC

Tier 2 (Best fit)
Armed Forces/Sun vs MWC
St. Pete vs ACC/CUSA
Birmingham vs SEC #10

Would be a serious upgrade over now and at least prestige wise would help a lot.

Unfortunately---our most likely scenario is something where we increase the number of guaranteed bowls vs P5 opponents---but still end up tied to low level bowls.

Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
St Pete vs a full time ACC opponent with a post Christmas date (no more alternating with CUSA)
Armed Forces Bowl vs Big 12 (full 6 year tie)
First Respnders vs Big 10 (full 6 year tie)
Indy vs SEC or ACC (full 6 year tie)
NOLA vs Sunbelt Champ or Cure vs CUSA

Yeah...not super exciting, but almost all vs P5's and all within the conference footprint. I think this is the kind of incremental improvement in the line up that is realistically achievable. The Liberty, Sun, or Texas would be fantastic---but the odds of us landing one of those are really stacked heavily against us. At least this would give us every G5 vs P5 bowl east of the Rockies.

(03-05-2019 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 08:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  One would hope our excellent performance as a conference over the past 5 years would have demonstrated to some bowls that our champ is waaaaay superior to a 6-7 win 'P5' team, who views getting to that bowl as a failure of a season.

A line up of

Tier 1
Liberty (Champ/highest ranked) vs Big 12/SEC
Independence (best non division winner) vs SEC/ACC
Sun (West division winner or next best) vs PAC/Armed Forces vs Big 12
Military (East division winner, next best) vs ACC

Tier 2 (Best fit)
Armed Forces/Sun vs MWC
St. Pete vs ACC/CUSA
Birmingham vs SEC #10

Would be a serious upgrade over now and at least prestige wise would help a lot.

Unfortunately---our most likely scenario is something where we increase the number of guaranteed bowls vs P5 opponents---but still end up tied to low level bowls.

Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
St Pete vs a full time ACC opponent with a post Christmas date (no more alternating with CUSA)
Armed Forces Bowl vs Big 12 (full 6 year tie)
First Respnders vs Big 10 (full 6 year tie)
Indy vs SEC or ACC (full 6 year tie)
NOLA vs Sunbelt Champ or Cure vs CUSA

Yeah...not super excitings, but almost all vs P5's and all within the conference footprint. I think this is the kind of incremental improvement in the line up that is realistically achievable. The Liberty, Sun, or Texas would be fantastic---but the odds of us landing one of those are really stacked heavily against us. At least this would give us every G5 vs P5 bowl east of the Rockies.

The Sun will not be PAC vs ACC and I doubt they are taking the #7 Big xii team they never see.

We already know the Liberty was discussing it with us as is the Indy who is also likely losing a partner.

I doubt the big 10 is staying in the first responders since it has a high chance of dropping down and we aren't taking two Dallas games for a conference mostly based in the east. Same goes for the NOLA if we have the independence.

You've become quite negative in your conference outlooks over the last year. Maybe even more so since the CA dropped that craptastic article. Chin up. Carry on. We still don't know anything actually.

keep the Birmingham Bowl vs SEC...keep the Military Bowl vs ACC...get Armed Forces vs Big 12 whenever possible...and focus on getting a full time Independence Bowl spot.

getting anything but a secondary/back-up spot with the Liberty Bowl is a pipe dream IMHO.

(03-06-2019 12:14 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  keep the Birmingham Bowl vs SEC...keep the Military Bowl vs ACC...get Armed Forces vs Big 12 whenever possible...and focus on getting a full time Independence Bowl spot.

getting anything but a secondary/back-up spot with the Liberty Bowl is a pipe dream IMHO.

There will be no secondary deals.

Every bowl must have two eligible conferences/teams each year. That's why the citrus, outback, music city, gator, rotations with three conferences are changing. The blah, blah, blah rotation, conditional contracts if its after christmas, etc are gone.

Back ups in case someone can't fulfill their spots will remain, but I guarantee several bowls are looking at non-p5 teams because they don't want to be left holding the bag. BYU can expect that to work for them out west and against them in eastern bowls as there is no guarantee of BYU of making 6 wins each year. Out west the risk will be worth it, the math will be more iffy out east. My guess is bowls who find themselves scrambling for replacements will get a hard look at their certifications.

(03-06-2019 12:10 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 08:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  One would hope our excellent performance as a conference over the past 5 years would have demonstrated to some bowls that our champ is waaaaay superior to a 6-7 win 'P5' team, who views getting to that bowl as a failure of a season.

A line up of

Tier 1
Liberty (Champ/highest ranked) vs Big 12/SEC
Independence (best non division winner) vs SEC/ACC
Sun (West division winner or next best) vs PAC/Armed Forces vs Big 12
Military (East division winner, next best) vs ACC

Tier 2 (Best fit)
Armed Forces/Sun vs MWC
St. Pete vs ACC/CUSA
Birmingham vs SEC #10

Would be a serious upgrade over now and at least prestige wise would help a lot.

Unfortunately---our most likely scenario is something where we increase the number of guaranteed bowls vs P5 opponents---but still end up tied to low level bowls.

Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
St Pete vs a full time ACC opponent with a post Christmas date (no more alternating with CUSA)
Armed Forces Bowl vs Big 12 (full 6 year tie)
First Respnders vs Big 10 (full 6 year tie)
Indy vs SEC or ACC (full 6 year tie)
NOLA vs Sunbelt Champ or Cure vs CUSA

Yeah...not super excitings, but almost all vs P5's and all within the conference footprint. I think this is the kind of incremental improvement in the line up that is realistically achievable. The Liberty, Sun, or Texas would be fantastic---but the odds of us landing one of those are really stacked heavily against us. At least this would give us every G5 vs P5 bowl east of the Rockies.

The Sun will not be PAC vs ACC and I doubt they are taking the #7 Big xii team they never see.

We already know the Liberty was discussing it with us as is the Indy who is also likely losing a partner.

I doubt the big 10 is staying in the first responders since it has a high chance of dropping down and we aren't taking two Dallas games for a conference mostly based in the east. Same goes for the NOLA if we have the independence.

You've become quite negative in your conference outlooks over the last year. Maybe even more so since the CA dropped that craptastic article. Chin up. Carry on. We still don't know anything actually.

It may seem that way to you, but its really not the case. My prediction on the TV deal has been 6-8 million per year for at least the last 2 years. My bowl prediction has been basically what I posted above for even longer.

What you have to understand is every bowl you are aiming for---currently has contractual ties with two P5 conferences. So, for any such bowl to sign a 6-year commitment to the AAC Champ---that bowl has to willingly dump a SEC, ACC, Big-10, or Big12 tie. To the best of my knowledge, no bowl has ever dumped a power conference to sign a 6-year tie to a non-power conference. So, what we are trying to do this off season has never been done.

Im not saying that the AAC Champ vs a high ranking P5 wouldnt be an attractive game. TV ratings already tell us the AAC Champ vs a P5 is an attractive game. Im simply acknowledging that the old guys that actually run these bowls and make these decisions believe that the gold standard for a bowl game is P5 vs P5. Until that changes---you'll need to utilize outside the box methods to create such a game for the AAC Champ. For instance---utilize some of our CFP payout to create our own high paying bowl game or maybe leverage our TV negotiations with someone like ESPN who can pull such a game together.

AAC gets independence bowl VS B-12/SEC, your out of your mind
do you even follow CFB

(03-06-2019 01:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:10 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 08:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  One would hope our excellent performance as a conference over the past 5 years would have demonstrated to some bowls that our champ is waaaaay superior to a 6-7 win 'P5' team, who views getting to that bowl as a failure of a season.

A line up of

Tier 1
Liberty (Champ/highest ranked) vs Big 12/SEC
Independence (best non division winner) vs SEC/ACC
Sun (West division winner or next best) vs PAC/Armed Forces vs Big 12
Military (East division winner, next best) vs ACC

Tier 2 (Best fit)
Armed Forces/Sun vs MWC
St. Pete vs ACC/CUSA
Birmingham vs SEC #10

Would be a serious upgrade over now and at least prestige wise would help a lot.

Unfortunately---our most likely scenario is something where we increase the number of guaranteed bowls vs P5 opponents---but still end up tied to low level bowls.

Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
St Pete vs a full time ACC opponent with a post Christmas date (no more alternating with CUSA)
Armed Forces Bowl vs Big 12 (full 6 year tie)
First Respnders vs Big 10 (full 6 year tie)
Indy vs SEC or ACC (full 6 year tie)
NOLA vs Sunbelt Champ or Cure vs CUSA

Yeah...not super excitings, but almost all vs P5's and all within the conference footprint. I think this is the kind of incremental improvement in the line up that is realistically achievable. The Liberty, Sun, or Texas would be fantastic---but the odds of us landing one of those are really stacked heavily against us. At least this would give us every G5 vs P5 bowl east of the Rockies.

The Sun will not be PAC vs ACC and I doubt they are taking the #7 Big xii team they never see.

We already know the Liberty was discussing it with us as is the Indy who is also likely losing a partner.

I doubt the big 10 is staying in the first responders since it has a high chance of dropping down and we aren't taking two Dallas games for a conference mostly based in the east. Same goes for the NOLA if we have the independence.

You've become quite negative in your conference outlooks over the last year. Maybe even more so since the CA dropped that craptastic article. Chin up. Carry on. We still don't know anything actually.

It may seem that way to you, but its really not the case. My prediction on the TV deal has been 6-8 million per year for at least the last 2 years. My bowl prediction has been basically what I posted above for even longer.

What you have to understand is every bowl you are aiming for---currently has contractual ties with two P5 conferences. So, for any such bowl to sign a 6-year commitment to the AAC Champ---that bowl has to willingly dump a SEC, ACC, Big-10, or Big12 tie. To the best of my knowledge, no bowl has ever dumped a power conference to sign a 6-year tie to a non-power conference. So, what we are trying to do this off season has never been done.

Im not saying that the AAC Champ vs a high ranking P5 wouldnt be an attractive game. TV ratings already tell us the AAC Champ vs a P5 is an attractive game. Im simply acknowledging that the old guys that actually run these bowls and make these decisions believe that the gold standard for a bowl game is P5 vs P5. Until that changes---you'll need to utilize outside the box methods to create such a game for the AAC Champ. For instance---utilize some of our CFP payout to create our own high paying bowl game or maybe leverage our TV negotiations with someone like ESPN who can pull such a game together.

No, none of those bowls are contractually obligated to anyone.

Further for the Sun there is no way in hell it is a second match up of the PAC and the ACC which they have in the Holiday bowl currently and which the ACC has wanted out of.

The independence and Liberty have both expressed interest in us, the Liberty outright for our champ. The Independence people have made it well known they don't like the current match up and both Liberty and Indepence have had to find two or three teams to step in over the last five year period and scrambled to hold in other years. Bowls dislike that and with more scrutiny from the NCAA on certification means they are feeling extremely risky about teams right now.

In fact every bowl that I mentioned but the Sun has shown interest in us directly or we had some agreement with them already. I mentioned why the sun is likely to open and given its steady decline in attendance especially since the ACC vs PAC match up was made it's no surprise the PAC and ACC took their bowl to a footprint. In fact most conference bowl affiliations will fall inside conference footprints, it's how the conferences and bowls want the line ups this time. Vegas got the Big Ten now instead of them going to the two lower cali bowls (redbox & holiday) just for example. Only the top level bowls will be keeping ties outside of the conference footprint.

(03-06-2019 01:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:10 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 08:59 PM)Bull Wrote:  One would hope our excellent performance as a conference over the past 5 years would have demonstrated to some bowls that our champ is waaaaay superior to a 6-7 win 'P5' team, who views getting to that bowl as a failure of a season.

A line up of

Tier 1
Liberty (Champ/highest ranked) vs Big 12/SEC
Independence (best non division winner) vs SEC/ACC
Sun (West division winner or next best) vs PAC/Armed Forces vs Big 12
Military (East division winner, next best) vs ACC

Tier 2 (Best fit)
Armed Forces/Sun vs MWC
St. Pete vs ACC/CUSA
Birmingham vs SEC #10

Would be a serious upgrade over now and at least prestige wise would help a lot.

Unfortunately---our most likely scenario is something where we increase the number of guaranteed bowls vs P5 opponents---but still end up tied to low level bowls.

Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
St Pete vs a full time ACC opponent with a post Christmas date (no more alternating with CUSA)
Armed Forces Bowl vs Big 12 (full 6 year tie)
First Respnders vs Big 10 (full 6 year tie)
Indy vs SEC or ACC (full 6 year tie)
NOLA vs Sunbelt Champ or Cure vs CUSA

Yeah...not super excitings, but almost all vs P5's and all within the conference footprint. I think this is the kind of incremental improvement in the line up that is realistically achievable. The Liberty, Sun, or Texas would be fantastic---but the odds of us landing one of those are really stacked heavily against us. At least this would give us every G5 vs P5 bowl east of the Rockies.

The Sun will not be PAC vs ACC and I doubt they are taking the #7 Big xii team they never see.

We already know the Liberty was discussing it with us as is the Indy who is also likely losing a partner.

I doubt the big 10 is staying in the first responders since it has a high chance of dropping down and we aren't taking two Dallas games for a conference mostly based in the east. Same goes for the NOLA if we have the independence.

You've become quite negative in your conference outlooks over the last year. Maybe even more so since the CA dropped that craptastic article. Chin up. Carry on. We still don't know anything actually.

It may seem that way to you, but its really not the case. My prediction on the TV deal has been 6-8 million per year for at least the last 2 years. My bowl prediction has been basically what I posted above for even longer.

What you have to understand is every bowl you are aiming for---currently has contractual ties with two P5 conferences. So, for any such bowl to sign a 6-year commitment to the AAC Champ---that bowl has to willingly dump a SEC, ACC, Big-10, or Big12 tie. To the best of my knowledge, no bowl has ever dumped a power conference to sign a 6-year tie to a non-power conference. So, what we are trying to do this off season has never been done.

Im not saying that the AAC Champ vs a high ranking P5 wouldnt be an attractive game. TV ratings already tell us the AAC Champ vs a P5 is an attractive game. Im simply acknowledging that the old guys that actually run these bowls and make these decisions believe that the gold standard for a bowl game is P5 vs P5. Until that changes---you'll need to utilize outside the box methods to create such a game for the AAC Champ. For instance---utilize some of our CFP payout to create our own high paying bowl game or maybe leverage our TV negotiations with someone like ESPN who can pull such a game together.

No, none of those bowls are contractually obligated to anyone.

Further for the Sun there is no way in hell it is a second match up of the PAC and the ACC which they have in the Holiday bowl currently and which the ACC has wanted out of.

The independence and Liberty have both expressed interest in us, the Liberty outright for our champ. The Independence people have made it well known they don't like the current match up and both Liberty and Indepence have had to find two or three teams to step in over the last five year period and scrambled to hold in other years. Bowls dislike that and with more scrutiny from the NCAA on certification means they are feeling extremely risky about teams right now.

In fact every bowl that I mentioned but the Sun has shown interest in us directly or we had some agreement with them already. I mentioned why the sun is likely to open and given its steady decline in attendance especially since the ACC vs PAC match up was made it's no surprise the PAC and ACC took their bowl to a footprint. In fact most conference bowl affiliations will fall inside conference footprints, it's how the conferences and bowls want the line ups this time. Vegas got the Big Ten now instead of them going to the two lower cali bowls (redbox & holiday) just for example. Only the top level bowls will be keeping ties outside of the conference footprint.

(03-05-2019 03:31 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Would love to get the Liberty Bowl tie-in. Fun fact: (per Wikipedia...lol) UCF (2007 - 63,816) and ECU (2010 - 62,742) have the two highest Liberty Bowl attendance numbers.

Probably more to do with playing SEC teams within a short drive of Memphis..

Seating capacity reductions make 60+ LB crowds impossible nowadays.

(03-05-2019 03:36 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  How about the Citrus Bowl? The Old BE had a tie in to the Citrus Bowl for their #1 team not in a BCS bowl.

You could be thinking of the Gator Bowl that used to be ACC vs. Big East during the BCS era. That was always a pretty good game. I enjoyed that and the Big East match-up in Charlotte too. Perhaps you’re thinking of the old Sunshine Classic (Blockbuster Bowl, Carquest Bowl, Micron PC) at Joe Robbie in the 90’s. It then moved to Orlando and was called the Tangerine Bowl 2.0, and then Russell Athletic and now RV Dealer-Camping Equipment Mega-retailer Bowl. Even though it has a strong payout and is in a desirable location, the bowl seems vacuous due to the naming inconsistencies. “The 30th annual Camping World Bowl”, okay, keep telling yourselves that. Bowls should have a permanent name so we can keep track.

The Citrus Bowl hosted the ACC champ for four or five years in the late 80’s/early 90’s, and then after that hosted the Big Ten and SEC runner-ups for some 20 odd years until the ACC got back in as an alternate.

I’m surprised ESPN hasn’t created a G5 signature bowl or some gimmicky thing by now. It’s a shame more bowls aren’t independent and can pick the most sensible match-ups based on payouts rather than being forced to pick some lame duck team due to a conference tie-in.

(03-06-2019 07:37 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 01:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:10 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 10:45 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  A line up of

Tier 1
Liberty (Champ/highest ranked) vs Big 12/SEC
Independence (best non division winner) vs SEC/ACC
Sun (West division winner or next best) vs PAC/Armed Forces vs Big 12
Military (East division winner, next best) vs ACC

Tier 2 (Best fit)
Armed Forces/Sun vs MWC
St. Pete vs ACC/CUSA
Birmingham vs SEC #10

Would be a serious upgrade over now and at least prestige wise would help a lot.

Unfortunately---our most likely scenario is something where we increase the number of guaranteed bowls vs P5 opponents---but still end up tied to low level bowls.

Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
St Pete vs a full time ACC opponent with a post Christmas date (no more alternating with CUSA)
Armed Forces Bowl vs Big 12 (full 6 year tie)
First Respnders vs Big 10 (full 6 year tie)
Indy vs SEC or ACC (full 6 year tie)
NOLA vs Sunbelt Champ or Cure vs CUSA

Yeah...not super excitings, but almost all vs P5's and all within the conference footprint. I think this is the kind of incremental improvement in the line up that is realistically achievable. The Liberty, Sun, or Texas would be fantastic---but the odds of us landing one of those are really stacked heavily against us. At least this would give us every G5 vs P5 bowl east of the Rockies.

The Sun will not be PAC vs ACC and I doubt they are taking the #7 Big xii team they never see.

We already know the Liberty was discussing it with us as is the Indy who is also likely losing a partner.

I doubt the big 10 is staying in the first responders since it has a high chance of dropping down and we aren't taking two Dallas games for a conference mostly based in the east. Same goes for the NOLA if we have the independence.

You've become quite negative in your conference outlooks over the last year. Maybe even more so since the CA dropped that craptastic article. Chin up. Carry on. We still don't know anything actually.

It may seem that way to you, but its really not the case. My prediction on the TV deal has been 6-8 million per year for at least the last 2 years. My bowl prediction has been basically what I posted above for even longer.

What you have to understand is every bowl you are aiming for---currently has contractual ties with two P5 conferences. So, for any such bowl to sign a 6-year commitment to the AAC Champ---that bowl has to willingly dump a SEC, ACC, Big-10, or Big12 tie. To the best of my knowledge, no bowl has ever dumped a power conference to sign a 6-year tie to a non-power conference. So, what we are trying to do this off season has never been done.

Im not saying that the AAC Champ vs a high ranking P5 wouldnt be an attractive game. TV ratings already tell us the AAC Champ vs a P5 is an attractive game. Im simply acknowledging that the old guys that actually run these bowls and make these decisions believe that the gold standard for a bowl game is P5 vs P5. Until that changes---you'll need to utilize outside the box methods to create such a game for the AAC Champ. For instance---utilize some of our CFP payout to create our own high paying bowl game or maybe leverage our TV negotiations with someone like ESPN who can pull such a game together.

No, none of those bowls are contractually obligated to anyone.

Further for the Sun there is no way in hell it is a second match up of the PAC and the ACC which they have in the Holiday bowl currently and which the ACC has wanted out of.

The independence and Liberty have both expressed interest in us, the Liberty outright for our champ. The Independence people have made it well known they don't like the current match up and both Liberty and Indepence have had to find two or three teams to step in over the last five year period and scrambled to hold in other years. Bowls dislike that and with more scrutiny from the NCAA on certification means they are feeling extremely risky about teams right now.

In fact every bowl that I mentioned but the Sun has shown interest in us directly or we had some agreement with them already. I mentioned why the sun is likely to open and given its steady decline in attendance especially since the ACC vs PAC match up was made it's no surprise the PAC and ACC took their bowl to a footprint. In fact most conference bowl affiliations will fall inside conference footprints, it's how the conferences and bowls want the line ups this time. Vegas got the Big Ten now instead of them going to the two lower cali bowls (redbox & holiday) just for example. Only the top level bowls will be keeping ties outside of the conference footprint.

I actually think we have an excellent shot at ending up with some sort of tie to the Indy Bowl. The ACC currently ranks the Sun Bowl on the same tier as their slots in the Belk, Music City-Gator (alternating slot), and Pinstripe. The Sun ranks ahead of the following bowls in the ACC selection order---Military, Indy, Quick Lane, Gasparilla. Thus, those other lower paying bowls are far more likely to be dumped by the ACC than the Sun Bowl with its 3.44 million dollar payout. The Liberty could have tied itself to the AAC in 2013 if that was its preference----instead it chose to go with a Big12 vs SEC tie. Other than making a trade to land their hometown Memphis Tigers in the bowl---the Liberty has never tried to trade out of the P5 tie in order to get the AAC champ. The Liberty has had 50K+ for every game since the change and have average about 54K (not counting the Memphis/Iowa game)--so I dont think they are unhappy. That said---the numbers do not appear to be higher than they were getting previously in fact--if anything---they appear to be slightly lower). So--Id say there is an outside chance that maybe something "could" happen with the Liberty.

I still believe the most likely way we get that Sun/Liberty level bowl is if ESPN helps us, we create our own high paying bowl, or we invest enough money into an existing low end bowl to create a payout high enough to attract a high P5 selection. The only other viable option I see is some sort of a group of say 5 bowls where a several P5 conferences agree to send their #3-#5 picks (9 teams). Our champ would be the 10th member of that pool of teams for those bowls. That way, no single bowl is making a 6 year commitment specifically to the AAC. Such a pool would actually would work well for us because we are so spread out. That would allow a bowl in the pool to claim the AAC Champ when its located nearby---and not be stuck with the AAC champ when they are located 1000 miles away. It also means its probably easier and more convenient for fans of the AAC champ to travel to the game.

I would like to see one with AAC vs MWC . Both conferences could dump a MAC or SBC game.


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(03-06-2019 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:37 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 01:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:10 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Unfortunately---our most likely scenario is something where we increase the number of guaranteed bowls vs P5 opponents---but still end up tied to low level bowls.

Military vs ACC
Birmingham vs SEC
St Pete vs a full time ACC opponent with a post Christmas date (no more alternating with CUSA)
Armed Forces Bowl vs Big 12 (full 6 year tie)
First Respnders vs Big 10 (full 6 year tie)
Indy vs SEC or ACC (full 6 year tie)
NOLA vs Sunbelt Champ or Cure vs CUSA

Yeah...not super excitings, but almost all vs P5's and all within the conference footprint. I think this is the kind of incremental improvement in the line up that is realistically achievable. The Liberty, Sun, or Texas would be fantastic---but the odds of us landing one of those are really stacked heavily against us. At least this would give us every G5 vs P5 bowl east of the Rockies.

The Sun will not be PAC vs ACC and I doubt they are taking the #7 Big xii team they never see.

We already know the Liberty was discussing it with us as is the Indy who is also likely losing a partner.

I doubt the big 10 is staying in the first responders since it has a high chance of dropping down and we aren't taking two Dallas games for a conference mostly based in the east. Same goes for the NOLA if we have the independence.

You've become quite negative in your conference outlooks over the last year. Maybe even more so since the CA dropped that craptastic article. Chin up. Carry on. We still don't know anything actually.

It may seem that way to you, but its really not the case. My prediction on the TV deal has been 6-8 million per year for at least the last 2 years. My bowl prediction has been basically what I posted above for even longer.

What you have to understand is every bowl you are aiming for---currently has contractual ties with two P5 conferences. So, for any such bowl to sign a 6-year commitment to the AAC Champ---that bowl has to willingly dump a SEC, ACC, Big-10, or Big12 tie. To the best of my knowledge, no bowl has ever dumped a power conference to sign a 6-year tie to a non-power conference. So, what we are trying to do this off season has never been done.

Im not saying that the AAC Champ vs a high ranking P5 wouldnt be an attractive game. TV ratings already tell us the AAC Champ vs a P5 is an attractive game. Im simply acknowledging that the old guys that actually run these bowls and make these decisions believe that the gold standard for a bowl game is P5 vs P5. Until that changes---you'll need to utilize outside the box methods to create such a game for the AAC Champ. For instance---utilize some of our CFP payout to create our own high paying bowl game or maybe leverage our TV negotiations with someone like ESPN who can pull such a game together.

No, none of those bowls are contractually obligated to anyone.

Further for the Sun there is no way in hell it is a second match up of the PAC and the ACC which they have in the Holiday bowl currently and which the ACC has wanted out of.

The independence and Liberty have both expressed interest in us, the Liberty outright for our champ. The Independence people have made it well known they don't like the current match up and both Liberty and Indepence have had to find two or three teams to step in over the last five year period and scrambled to hold in other years. Bowls dislike that and with more scrutiny from the NCAA on certification means they are feeling extremely risky about teams right now.

In fact every bowl that I mentioned but the Sun has shown interest in us directly or we had some agreement with them already. I mentioned why the sun is likely to open and given its steady decline in attendance especially since the ACC vs PAC match up was made it's no surprise the PAC and ACC took their bowl to a footprint. In fact most conference bowl affiliations will fall inside conference footprints, it's how the conferences and bowls want the line ups this time. Vegas got the Big Ten now instead of them going to the two lower cali bowls (redbox & holiday) just for example. Only the top level bowls will be keeping ties outside of the conference footprint.

I actually think we have an excellent shot at ending up with some sort of tie to the Indy Bowl. The ACC currently ranks the Sun Bowl on the same tier as their slots in the Belk, Music City-Gator (alternating slot), and Pinstripe. The Sun ranks ahead of the following bowls in the ACC selection order---Military, Indy, Quick Lane, Gasparilla. Thus, those other lower paying bowls are far more likely to be dumped by the ACC than the Sun Bowl with its 3.44 million dollar payout. The Liberty could have tied itself to the AAC in 2013 if that was its preference----instead it chose to go with a Big12 vs SEC tie. Other than making a trade to land their hometown Memphis Tigers in the bowl---the Liberty has never tried to trade out of the P5 tie in order to get the AAC champ.

The only way we get that Sun/Liberty level bowl is if ESPN helps us, we create our own high paying bowl, or we invest enough money into an existing low end bowl to create a payout high enough to attract a high P5 selection. The only other viable option I see is some sort of pool where our champ roatates around among a pool of similar bowls (say Liberty, Sun, Belk) so no single bowl is making a 6 year commitment. A rotating pool actually would work well for us because we are so spread out. That would allow a bowl in the pool to claim the AAC Champ when its located nearby---and not be stuck with the AAC champ when they are located 1000 miles away.

I mean isn't he trying to say they traded this one for the Holiday which paid 6.3 million last year. I am sure if you dump the sun into the lower ACC tier they will no longer be paying 3.44 million. I mean I honestly have no idea but it seems if the payouts remain the same the ACC actually upgraded their payout even while losing the Sun Bowl. Not saying that is what is happening though since I have no idea.

(03-06-2019 12:55 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:37 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 01:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:10 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  The Sun will not be PAC vs ACC and I doubt they are taking the #7 Big xii team they never see.

We already know the Liberty was discussing it with us as is the Indy who is also likely losing a partner.

I doubt the big 10 is staying in the first responders since it has a high chance of dropping down and we aren't taking two Dallas games for a conference mostly based in the east. Same goes for the NOLA if we have the independence.

You've become quite negative in your conference outlooks over the last year. Maybe even more so since the CA dropped that craptastic article. Chin up. Carry on. We still don't know anything actually.

It may seem that way to you, but its really not the case. My prediction on the TV deal has been 6-8 million per year for at least the last 2 years. My bowl prediction has been basically what I posted above for even longer.

What you have to understand is every bowl you are aiming for---currently has contractual ties with two P5 conferences. So, for any such bowl to sign a 6-year commitment to the AAC Champ---that bowl has to willingly dump a SEC, ACC, Big-10, or Big12 tie. To the best of my knowledge, no bowl has ever dumped a power conference to sign a 6-year tie to a non-power conference. So, what we are trying to do this off season has never been done.

Im not saying that the AAC Champ vs a high ranking P5 wouldnt be an attractive game. TV ratings already tell us the AAC Champ vs a P5 is an attractive game. Im simply acknowledging that the old guys that actually run these bowls and make these decisions believe that the gold standard for a bowl game is P5 vs P5. Until that changes---you'll need to utilize outside the box methods to create such a game for the AAC Champ. For instance---utilize some of our CFP payout to create our own high paying bowl game or maybe leverage our TV negotiations with someone like ESPN who can pull such a game together.

No, none of those bowls are contractually obligated to anyone.

Further for the Sun there is no way in hell it is a second match up of the PAC and the ACC which they have in the Holiday bowl currently and which the ACC has wanted out of.

The independence and Liberty have both expressed interest in us, the Liberty outright for our champ. The Independence people have made it well known they don't like the current match up and both Liberty and Indepence have had to find two or three teams to step in over the last five year period and scrambled to hold in other years. Bowls dislike that and with more scrutiny from the NCAA on certification means they are feeling extremely risky about teams right now.

In fact every bowl that I mentioned but the Sun has shown interest in us directly or we had some agreement with them already. I mentioned why the sun is likely to open and given its steady decline in attendance especially since the ACC vs PAC match up was made it's no surprise the PAC and ACC took their bowl to a footprint. In fact most conference bowl affiliations will fall inside conference footprints, it's how the conferences and bowls want the line ups this time. Vegas got the Big Ten now instead of them going to the two lower cali bowls (redbox & holiday) just for example. Only the top level bowls will be keeping ties outside of the conference footprint.

I actually think we have an excellent shot at ending up with some sort of tie to the Indy Bowl. The ACC currently ranks the Sun Bowl on the same tier as their slots in the Belk, Music City-Gator (alternating slot), and Pinstripe. The Sun ranks ahead of the following bowls in the ACC selection order---Military, Indy, Quick Lane, Gasparilla. Thus, those other lower paying bowls are far more likely to be dumped by the ACC than the Sun Bowl with its 3.44 million dollar payout. The Liberty could have tied itself to the AAC in 2013 if that was its preference----instead it chose to go with a Big12 vs SEC tie. Other than making a trade to land their hometown Memphis Tigers in the bowl---the Liberty has never tried to trade out of the P5 tie in order to get the AAC champ.

The only way we get that Sun/Liberty level bowl is if ESPN helps us, we create our own high paying bowl, or we invest enough money into an existing low end bowl to create a payout high enough to attract a high P5 selection. The only other viable option I see is some sort of pool where our champ roatates around among a pool of similar bowls (say Liberty, Sun, Belk) so no single bowl is making a 6 year commitment. A rotating pool actually would work well for us because we are so spread out. That would allow a bowl in the pool to claim the AAC Champ when its located nearby---and not be stuck with the AAC champ when they are located 1000 miles away.

I mean isn't he trying to say they traded this one for the Holiday which paid 6.3 million last year. I am sure if you dump the sun into the lower ACC tier they will no longer be paying 3.44 million. I mean I honestly have no idea but it seems if the payouts remain the same the ACC actually upgraded their payout even while losing the Sun Bowl. Not saying that is what is happening though since I have no idea.

My point is that its not binary. If you take the Holiday--its not automatic that you dump the Sun. Even if the Sun falls in the ACC selection order--the Sun will still pay more than the tier of bowls behind them in the ACC selection order.

(03-06-2019 01:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:55 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:37 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 01:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  It may seem that way to you, but its really not the case. My prediction on the TV deal has been 6-8 million per year for at least the last 2 years. My bowl prediction has been basically what I posted above for even longer.

What you have to understand is every bowl you are aiming for---currently has contractual ties with two P5 conferences. So, for any such bowl to sign a 6-year commitment to the AAC Champ---that bowl has to willingly dump a SEC, ACC, Big-10, or Big12 tie. To the best of my knowledge, no bowl has ever dumped a power conference to sign a 6-year tie to a non-power conference. So, what we are trying to do this off season has never been done.

Im not saying that the AAC Champ vs a high ranking P5 wouldnt be an attractive game. TV ratings already tell us the AAC Champ vs a P5 is an attractive game. Im simply acknowledging that the old guys that actually run these bowls and make these decisions believe that the gold standard for a bowl game is P5 vs P5. Until that changes---you'll need to utilize outside the box methods to create such a game for the AAC Champ. For instance---utilize some of our CFP payout to create our own high paying bowl game or maybe leverage our TV negotiations with someone like ESPN who can pull such a game together.

No, none of those bowls are contractually obligated to anyone.

Further for the Sun there is no way in hell it is a second match up of the PAC and the ACC which they have in the Holiday bowl currently and which the ACC has wanted out of.

The independence and Liberty have both expressed interest in us, the Liberty outright for our champ. The Independence people have made it well known they don't like the current match up and both Liberty and Indepence have had to find two or three teams to step in over the last five year period and scrambled to hold in other years. Bowls dislike that and with more scrutiny from the NCAA on certification means they are feeling extremely risky about teams right now.

In fact every bowl that I mentioned but the Sun has shown interest in us directly or we had some agreement with them already. I mentioned why the sun is likely to open and given its steady decline in attendance especially since the ACC vs PAC match up was made it's no surprise the PAC and ACC took their bowl to a footprint. In fact most conference bowl affiliations will fall inside conference footprints, it's how the conferences and bowls want the line ups this time. Vegas got the Big Ten now instead of them going to the two lower cali bowls (redbox & holiday) just for example. Only the top level bowls will be keeping ties outside of the conference footprint.

I actually think we have an excellent shot at ending up with some sort of tie to the Indy Bowl. The ACC currently ranks the Sun Bowl on the same tier as their slots in the Belk, Music City-Gator (alternating slot), and Pinstripe. The Sun ranks ahead of the following bowls in the ACC selection order---Military, Indy, Quick Lane, Gasparilla. Thus, those other lower paying bowls are far more likely to be dumped by the ACC than the Sun Bowl with its 3.44 million dollar payout. The Liberty could have tied itself to the AAC in 2013 if that was its preference----instead it chose to go with a Big12 vs SEC tie. Other than making a trade to land their hometown Memphis Tigers in the bowl---the Liberty has never tried to trade out of the P5 tie in order to get the AAC champ.

The only way we get that Sun/Liberty level bowl is if ESPN helps us, we create our own high paying bowl, or we invest enough money into an existing low end bowl to create a payout high enough to attract a high P5 selection. The only other viable option I see is some sort of pool where our champ roatates around among a pool of similar bowls (say Liberty, Sun, Belk) so no single bowl is making a 6 year commitment. A rotating pool actually would work well for us because we are so spread out. That would allow a bowl in the pool to claim the AAC Champ when its located nearby---and not be stuck with the AAC champ when they are located 1000 miles away.

I mean isn't he trying to say they traded this one for the Holiday which paid 6.3 million last year. I am sure if you dump the sun into the lower ACC tier they will no longer be paying 3.44 million. I mean I honestly have no idea but it seems if the payouts remain the same the ACC actually upgraded their payout even while losing the Sun Bowl. Not saying that is what is happening though since I have no idea.

My point is that its not binary. If you take the Holiday--its not automatic that you dump the Sun. Even if the Sun falls in the ACC selection order--the Sun will still pay more than the tier of bowls behind them in the ACC selection order.

Agreed. But if there pick falls as a result of another bowl taking precedent they may no longer be offering the same dollars. Hence maybe they would prefer a better team from the American for likely less dollars. No idea again just throwing hypotheticals. Seems like the PAC12 has there first 4 teams spoken for so you are looking at teams 5+ which does get less attractive. Same could be said on the ACC side. If they are now offering their 7+ teams maybe it is an opportunity to offer something more attractive.

(03-06-2019 01:11 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 01:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:55 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:37 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  No, none of those bowls are contractually obligated to anyone.

Further for the Sun there is no way in hell it is a second match up of the PAC and the ACC which they have in the Holiday bowl currently and which the ACC has wanted out of.

The independence and Liberty have both expressed interest in us, the Liberty outright for our champ. The Independence people have made it well known they don't like the current match up and both Liberty and Indepence have had to find two or three teams to step in over the last five year period and scrambled to hold in other years. Bowls dislike that and with more scrutiny from the NCAA on certification means they are feeling extremely risky about teams right now.

In fact every bowl that I mentioned but the Sun has shown interest in us directly or we had some agreement with them already. I mentioned why the sun is likely to open and given its steady decline in attendance especially since the ACC vs PAC match up was made it's no surprise the PAC and ACC took their bowl to a footprint. In fact most conference bowl affiliations will fall inside conference footprints, it's how the conferences and bowls want the line ups this time. Vegas got the Big Ten now instead of them going to the two lower cali bowls (redbox & holiday) just for example. Only the top level bowls will be keeping ties outside of the conference footprint.

I actually think we have an excellent shot at ending up with some sort of tie to the Indy Bowl. The ACC currently ranks the Sun Bowl on the same tier as their slots in the Belk, Music City-Gator (alternating slot), and Pinstripe. The Sun ranks ahead of the following bowls in the ACC selection order---Military, Indy, Quick Lane, Gasparilla. Thus, those other lower paying bowls are far more likely to be dumped by the ACC than the Sun Bowl with its 3.44 million dollar payout. The Liberty could have tied itself to the AAC in 2013 if that was its preference----instead it chose to go with a Big12 vs SEC tie. Other than making a trade to land their hometown Memphis Tigers in the bowl---the Liberty has never tried to trade out of the P5 tie in order to get the AAC champ.

The only way we get that Sun/Liberty level bowl is if ESPN helps us, we create our own high paying bowl, or we invest enough money into an existing low end bowl to create a payout high enough to attract a high P5 selection. The only other viable option I see is some sort of pool where our champ roatates around among a pool of similar bowls (say Liberty, Sun, Belk) so no single bowl is making a 6 year commitment. A rotating pool actually would work well for us because we are so spread out. That would allow a bowl in the pool to claim the AAC Champ when its located nearby---and not be stuck with the AAC champ when they are located 1000 miles away.

I mean isn't he trying to say they traded this one for the Holiday which paid 6.3 million last year. I am sure if you dump the sun into the lower ACC tier they will no longer be paying 3.44 million. I mean I honestly have no idea but it seems if the payouts remain the same the ACC actually upgraded their payout even while losing the Sun Bowl. Not saying that is what is happening though since I have no idea.

My point is that its not binary. If you take the Holiday--its not automatic that you dump the Sun. Even if the Sun falls in the ACC selection order--the Sun will still pay more than the tier of bowls behind them in the ACC selection order.

Agreed. But if there pick falls as a result of another bowl taking precedent they may no longer be offering the same dollars. Hence maybe they would prefer a better team from the American for likely less dollars. No idea again just throwing hypotheticals. Seems like the PAC12 has there first 4 teams spoken for so you are looking at teams 5+ which does get less attractive. Same could be said on the ACC side. If they are now offering their 7+ teams maybe it is an opportunity to offer something more attractive.

Maybe...but has not worked that way in the past. Here is a list of all the bowls sortable by payout. The higher paying non-CFP games are exclusively P5 vs P5 games. The only P5 vs P5 bowl games below the payout of the highest paying G5 vs P5 bowl game (Vegas) are the Indy, Quicklane, and Cheez-it bowls. Those 3 are low enough in the selection order that they do not always get filled and are sometimes P5 vs G5. The Indy has even been a G5 vs G5 before because both P5 ties failed to fill their slot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...bowl_games

(03-06-2019 01:11 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 01:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:55 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:37 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  No, none of those bowls are contractually obligated to anyone.

Further for the Sun there is no way in hell it is a second match up of the PAC and the ACC which they have in the Holiday bowl currently and which the ACC has wanted out of.

The independence and Liberty have both expressed interest in us, the Liberty outright for our champ. The Independence people have made it well known they don't like the current match up and both Liberty and Indepence have had to find two or three teams to step in over the last five year period and scrambled to hold in other years. Bowls dislike that and with more scrutiny from the NCAA on certification means they are feeling extremely risky about teams right now.

In fact every bowl that I mentioned but the Sun has shown interest in us directly or we had some agreement with them already. I mentioned why the sun is likely to open and given its steady decline in attendance especially since the ACC vs PAC match up was made it's no surprise the PAC and ACC took their bowl to a footprint. In fact most conference bowl affiliations will fall inside conference footprints, it's how the conferences and bowls want the line ups this time. Vegas got the Big Ten now instead of them going to the two lower cali bowls (redbox & holiday) just for example. Only the top level bowls will be keeping ties outside of the conference footprint.

I actually think we have an excellent shot at ending up with some sort of tie to the Indy Bowl. The ACC currently ranks the Sun Bowl on the same tier as their slots in the Belk, Music City-Gator (alternating slot), and Pinstripe. The Sun ranks ahead of the following bowls in the ACC selection order---Military, Indy, Quick Lane, Gasparilla. Thus, those other lower paying bowls are far more likely to be dumped by the ACC than the Sun Bowl with its 3.44 million dollar payout. The Liberty could have tied itself to the AAC in 2013 if that was its preference----instead it chose to go with a Big12 vs SEC tie. Other than making a trade to land their hometown Memphis Tigers in the bowl---the Liberty has never tried to trade out of the P5 tie in order to get the AAC champ.

The only way we get that Sun/Liberty level bowl is if ESPN helps us, we create our own high paying bowl, or we invest enough money into an existing low end bowl to create a payout high enough to attract a high P5 selection. The only other viable option I see is some sort of pool where our champ roatates around among a pool of similar bowls (say Liberty, Sun, Belk) so no single bowl is making a 6 year commitment. A rotating pool actually would work well for us because we are so spread out. That would allow a bowl in the pool to claim the AAC Champ when its located nearby---and not be stuck with the AAC champ when they are located 1000 miles away.

I mean isn't he trying to say they traded this one for the Holiday which paid 6.3 million last year. I am sure if you dump the sun into the lower ACC tier they will no longer be paying 3.44 million. I mean I honestly have no idea but it seems if the payouts remain the same the ACC actually upgraded their payout even while losing the Sun Bowl. Not saying that is what is happening though since I have no idea.

My point is that its not binary. If you take the Holiday--its not automatic that you dump the Sun. Even if the Sun falls in the ACC selection order--the Sun will still pay more than the tier of bowls behind them in the ACC selection order.

Agreed. But if there pick falls as a result of another bowl taking precedent they may no longer be offering the same dollars. Hence maybe they would prefer a better team from the American for likely less dollars. No idea again just throwing hypotheticals. Seems like the PAC12 has there first 4 teams spoken for so you are looking at teams 5+ which does get less attractive. Same could be said on the ACC side. If they are now offering their 7+ teams maybe it is an opportunity to offer something more attractive.

The ACC does not want in west Texas and has nothing to do with west Texas. They wanted out, teams and fans don't want to go and the attendance has been an issue at the sun since they put the ACC in. The Holiday is worth more and gives then a higher opponent from the PAC. Nor is the PAC likely to stay in with the LA bowl. Thus there will be no ACC vs PAC sun bowl. In fact neither conference is likely to be there.

Also when the Liberty made that decision the AAC wasn't even assured of continued existence. Further they have been threatened several times by the SEC in not having a team. You are ignoring the fact we know the liberty approached the AAC last year.

Finally quit using the old tie ins to decide anything. There are at least two new bowls moving into the packing order (Raiders Vegas, new LA bowl) and at least three major bowls switching around in the holiday, out back, and citrus. We also know the Big 10 in general wants out of the west except in the Rose and are definitely dropping the redbox. The ACC has been up front about wanting bowls in the footprint.