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(06-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 10:08 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 07:35 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 06:51 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Wow just noticed a crystal ball from Evan Daniels for top 50 player

https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/...edictions/

Whats Hepblade got to say?

Brannen could win a national championship in the next 5 years and he would say "Well, Mick would have won two by now."

Live look in at Hepblade hearing the Zach Harvey CB...

You spent years doing nothing but **** on UC's teams, while I was generally positive. Now you still haven't learned to do anything but **** post, but you attack even the faintest sign of criticism, rather then the faintest sign of positivity. I continue to be generally positive.

Discussion and debate is part of what makes a message board useful and fun. This boards attitude of attacking everyone who doesn't get in line (which meant hating on Mick and UC's players last year or loving everything about Brannen and every UC player this year) is making me gradually migrate to other boards.

I am not and never have been doom and gloom. All I've said is that I don't expect a dramatic improvement in recruiting. Get Harvey and 1-2 more top 150 recruits and I will start to change my mind on that.

Excuse me... Could someone direct me to the recruiting board?

This ain't it, chief.

(06-16-2019 10:28 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 10:08 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 07:35 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 06:51 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Wow just noticed a crystal ball from Evan Daniels for top 50 player

https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/...edictions/

Whats Hepblade got to say?

Brannen could win a national championship in the next 5 years and he would say "Well, Mick would have won two by now."

Live look in at Hepblade hearing the Zach Harvey CB...

You spent years doing nothing but **** on UC's teams, while I was generally positive. Now you still haven't learned to do anything but **** post, but you attack even the faintest sign of criticism, rather then the faintest sign of positivity. I continue to be generally positive.

Discussion and debate is part of what makes a message board useful and fun. This boards attitude of attacking everyone who doesn't get in line (which meant hating on Mick and UC's players last year or loving everything about Brannen and every UC player this year) is making me gradually migrate to other boards.

I am not and never have been doom and gloom. All I've said is that I don't expect a dramatic improvement in recruiting. Get Harvey and 1-2 more top 150 recruits and I will start to change my mind on that.

The thing is, Brannen has already dramatically improved our recruiting just based on the players he has been in on. Mick spent most his time fighting off Buffalo and UAB for recruits, and JB is finally getting us involved with higher level players, in battles with IU, Kansas, OSU, Etc. Alot of us are just glad to finally be freed from having to pretend like Mickville. No one has to pretend that Mick was some sort of savior for this program anymore, and it was a fairly clean break.

(06-16-2019 12:17 AM)Bearcat04 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 10:08 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 07:35 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 06:51 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Wow just noticed a crystal ball from Evan Daniels for top 50 player

https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/...edictions/

Whats Hepblade got to say?

Brannen could win a national championship in the next 5 years and he would say "Well, Mick would have won two by now."

Live look in at Hepblade hearing the Zach Harvey CB...

So pretty much your reaction to every UC win for the last decade?

I love that you are harping on one member for having an educated opinion that you disagree with. Somehow disagreeing with recruiting is more egregious than you and the rest of the clowns calling for boycotts and calling our players scrubs?

If you aren't too busy hoping Mick Cronin's team loses next year, we have a very good roster and a very energetic new coach. Better yet, **** off!

weak

2/10 smack attempt

(06-16-2019 10:28 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 10:08 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 07:35 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 06:51 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Wow just noticed a crystal ball from Evan Daniels for top 50 player

https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/...edictions/

Whats Hepblade got to say?

Brannen could win a national championship in the next 5 years and he would say "Well, Mick would have won two by now."

Live look in at Hepblade hearing the Zach Harvey CB...

You spent years doing nothing but **** on UC's teams, while I was generally positive. Now you still haven't learned to do anything but **** post, but you attack even the faintest sign of criticism, rather then the faintest sign of positivity. I continue to be generally positive.

Discussion and debate is part of what makes a message board useful and fun. This boards attitude of attacking everyone who doesn't get in line (which meant hating on Mick and UC's players last year or loving everything about Brannen and every UC player this year) is making me gradually migrate to other boards.

I am not and never have been doom and gloom. All I've said is that I don't expect a dramatic improvement in recruiting. Get Harvey and 1-2 more top 150 recruits and I will start to change my mind on that.

haha touched a nerve again...you know this is what you look like when you see good news regarding UC and Coach Brannen.

I'm guessing you are pretty steamed that it looks like we are pulling this kid from XU. Ammirite?


PS: I'd neg rep you, like you do to me, but you don't have much there to play with so I will show you mercy.

Anyway, let me steer this thing back to recruiting news...

I'll start it off again-

Coach Brannen already is making excuse-free waves in recruiting and fans are energized. Hope we land Harvey when all said and done.

(06-16-2019 10:37 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 10:28 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 10:08 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 07:35 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Whats Hepblade got to say?

Brannen could win a national championship in the next 5 years and he would say "Well, Mick would have won two by now."

Live look in at Hepblade hearing the Zach Harvey CB...

You spent years doing nothing but **** on UC's teams, while I was generally positive. Now you still haven't learned to do anything but **** post, but you attack even the faintest sign of criticism, rather then the faintest sign of positivity. I continue to be generally positive.

Discussion and debate is part of what makes a message board useful and fun. This boards attitude of attacking everyone who doesn't get in line (which meant hating on Mick and UC's players last year or loving everything about Brannen and every UC player this year) is making me gradually migrate to other boards.

I am not and never have been doom and gloom. All I've said is that I don't expect a dramatic improvement in recruiting. Get Harvey and 1-2 more top 150 recruits and I will start to change my mind on that.

The thing is, Brannen has already dramatically improved our recruiting just based on the players he has been in on. Mick spent most his time fighting off Buffalo and UAB for recruits, and JB is finally getting us involved with higher level players, in battles with IU, Kansas, OSU, Etc. Alot of us are just glad to finally be freed from having to pretend like Mickville. No one has to pretend that Mick was some sort of savior for this program anymore, and it was a fairly clean break.

The myth is that Mick didn't compete with bigger schools, the truth is that he went after quite a few 4-5 stars, but rarely sealed the deal. So far, Brannen hasn't done any better in terms of guys who have actually come here. He is getting more publicity for offering 4-5 stars, but that is largely because more fans are engaged and painting a different narrative.

Zach Harvey would be a big time addition and we have quite a few other good looking guys we have offered. Brannen's success at recruiting will be judged by who he brings in and how he develops them, not who he offers.

(06-16-2019 10:50 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 10:28 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 05:14 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 10:08 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(06-15-2019 07:35 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Whats Hepblade got to say?

Brannen could win a national championship in the next 5 years and he would say "Well, Mick would have won two by now."

Live look in at Hepblade hearing the Zach Harvey CB...

You spent years doing nothing but **** on UC's teams, while I was generally positive. Now you still haven't learned to do anything but **** post, but you attack even the faintest sign of criticism, rather then the faintest sign of positivity. I continue to be generally positive.

Discussion and debate is part of what makes a message board useful and fun. This boards attitude of attacking everyone who doesn't get in line (which meant hating on Mick and UC's players last year or loving everything about Brannen and every UC player this year) is making me gradually migrate to other boards.

I am not and never have been doom and gloom. All I've said is that I don't expect a dramatic improvement in recruiting. Get Harvey and 1-2 more top 150 recruits and I will start to change my mind on that.

haha touched a nerve again...you know this is what you look like when you see good news regarding UC and Coach Brannen.

I'm guessing you are pretty steamed that it looks like we are pulling this kid from XU. Ammirite?


PS: I'd neg rep you, like you do to me, but you don't have much there to play with so I will show you mercy.

I think you are projecting your own attitudes towards Mick. You hated everything about Mick and did your best to criticize everything about him and his recruits. Maybe you would get angry when Mick succeeded.

I like Brannen, I think and hope he can be successful. I would be very glad to get Harvey, who would be a big time recruit. Hopefully he will be the tip of the iceberg that proves that Mick was a bad recruiter. Hopefully Brannen can also take those top recruits and develop them into stars. Even if he can't do that, if he can recruit at or slightly above Mick's level and develop the players he gets, he can be a very successful coach.

I've liked most of Brannen's recruits and guys he has brought in. The guy we offered who I disliked the most and got the most criticism for disliking (Sam Iorio) ended up at South Alabama.

It's possible to criticize certain aspect of a coach/player without hating the coach/player. I did so with Mick and will likely do so with Brannen. Just because you are 100% positive or 100% negative doesn't mean everyone else is.

For those of you who are really up on and into the recruiting....what is one player for the 2020 class that would be a program changer that UC has even an outside chance on? I assume Harvey would be a great get, but not program changer. When I think back to Huggins, Herb Jones/Corie Blount (juco's) were program changers (both were #1 JUCO in nation I believe) and then Wingfield (his first McDonalds' All American out of HS).

2 more crystal balls tonight for Harvey to UC bringing the total to 4

(06-16-2019 08:27 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  For those of you who are really up on and into the recruiting....what is one player for the 2020 class that would be a program changer that UC has even an outside chance on? I assume Harvey would be a great get, but not program changer. When I think back to Huggins, Herb Jones/Corie Blount (juco's) were program changers (both were #1 JUCO in nation I believe) and then Wingfield (his first McDonalds' All American out of HS).

I"m not sure how much one player can be a program changer. I think the 2020 class as a whole can/will be the program changer. In 2020 (assuming no grad transfers) we will have 2 seniors, 2 juniors, 4 Sophomores and 5 Freshmen. Over half the team will be Brannen recruits. Brannen's ability to recruit for 2020 and develop the Sophomores is going to be key to UC's success for several years.

But, if I was going to pick one player, I'd pick Zach Loveday. I'd say a Center would be the biggest program changing recruit, because of roster makeup (in 2020 Vogt is our only true center, Diarra could slide to PF) and the increased competition (limited supply) in recruiting big men. We have a few offers out to Centers rated >0.9 and some offers out to projects big men. The biggest program changer on that list is Zach Loveday. Adding him would give us another 4-star, continue the recent local (though calling Gallipolis local might be a stretch) recruiting theme and give us a big man who can shoot - which Brannen seems to want for his offense.

There will be an interesting reaction with this one should he commit. Phenomenal player, but does have some history (whether it's right or not)...and likely the reason why he transferred and re-classified.

https://www.cjonline.com/sports/20180627...7-incident

Quote:Hayden’s Zach Harvey pleads no contest to lesser charges related to March 2017 incident

By Luke Ranker

By Tim Bisel

Posted Jun 27, 2018 at 6:01 PM
Updated Jun 28, 2018 at 7:56 AM

Hayden All-State basketball standout Zach Harvey pleaded no contest earlier this week in Sedgwick County to two misdemeanor crimes related to a March 2017 incident involving an underage teenage girl.

Harvey, one of Kansas’ most coveted high school basketball recruits, and two other teenage athletes from the Wichita area were charged last year with two felony counts of sexual exploitation of a child. The criminal complaint was filed Oct. 16 and indicated that the three teenage boys possessed a sexually explicit image or video of a child younger than 18 years old around March 23, 2017, in Sedgwick County.

Harvey, who was 16 at the time, and the others were initially charged with the promotion of a child to perform sexually explicit acts. The girl was 15 years old at the time.

Also charged were Dylan Vincent, 17 at the time, and Dalyn Johnson, 16 at the time. Vincent, a standout basketball player for Eisenhower, signed a national letter of intent to play next season for Hutchinson Community College. Johnson was a standout running back for Maize who signed a football letter with Ottawa.

Vincent and Johnson are scheduled for pre-trial conferences at a later time, Dillon said.

Harvey led Hayden to the Class 4A Division II state championship this past season as a junior. The 6-foot-5 guard averaged 26 points during the state tournament, and he poured in 34 in the Wildcats’ championship-game victory against Holcomb.

Harvey averaged 23.1 points for the season, scored a school-record 42 against Santa Fe Trail and was named a top-five All-State selection by The Topeka Capital-Journal. He previously had been offered scholarships by at least 12 Division I programs, including Kansas, Kansas State, UCLA, Oklahoma, Ohio State and Creighton.

That is an unjust law in my opinion. A 16-year-old boy having an explicit photograph of a 15-year-old girl should not be a crime, even though it's not exactly what we want teenagers to be involved in. Even when I was in high school (1999-2003) there were explicit photos being passed around, as well as teenagers showing their goods on grainy old web cams. Now if he was 18 when he had possession of the photograph, that may be a different story. I don't think a teenager should have his life potentially ruined though over something like this. I have no problem with us recruiting him if that is all there is to the story. If there was other sexual misconduct such as allegations of sexual assault or anything like that, I would feel differently.

non starter--- if he was 21 to her 15 that's a different story. Bad law.

(06-17-2019 09:18 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  non starter--- if he was 21 to her 15 that's a different story. Bad law.

Totally agree a misdemeanor at most. Mutual stupidity, move on.

(06-17-2019 07:54 AM)skyblade Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 08:27 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  For those of you who are really up on and into the recruiting....what is one player for the 2020 class that would be a program changer that UC has even an outside chance on? I assume Harvey would be a great get, but not program changer. When I think back to Huggins, Herb Jones/Corie Blount (juco's) were program changers (both were #1 JUCO in nation I believe) and then Wingfield (his first McDonalds' All American out of HS).

I"m not sure how much one player can be a program changer. I think the 2020 class as a whole can/will be the program changer. In 2020 (assuming no grad transfers) we will have 2 seniors, 2 juniors, 4 Sophomores and 5 Freshmen. Over half the team will be Brannen recruits. Brannen's ability to recruit for 2020 and develop the Sophomores is going to be key to UC's success for several years.

But, if I was going to pick one player, I'd pick Zach Loveday. I'd say a Center would be the biggest program changing recruit, because of roster makeup (in 2020 Vogt is our only true center, Diarra could slide to PF) and the increased competition (limited supply) in recruiting big men. We have a few offers out to Centers rated >0.9 and some offers out to projects big men. The biggest program changer on that list is Zach Loveday. Adding him would give us another 4-star, continue the recent local (though calling Gallipolis local might be a stretch) recruiting theme and give us a big man who can shoot - which Brannen seems to want for his offense.

By one player not being a program changer, I'm assuming that you mean one player that we're in on. And, I completely agree with your thoughts on Loveday and the class as a whole. IF we land Harvey and Loveday, along with Saunders, then suddenly this class becomes a program changer. It would be better than any class Cronin brought in and put UC on the map of many more prospective recruits, particularly given how strong the classes of 2021 and 2022 appear to be locally and statewide.

(06-17-2019 09:11 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  That is an unjust law in my opinion. A 16-year-old boy having an explicit photograph of a 15-year-old girl should not be a crime, even though it's not exactly what we want teenagers to be involved in. Even when I was in high school (1999-2003) there were explicit photos being passed around, as well as teenagers showing their goods on grainy old web cams. Now if he was 18 when he had possession of the photograph, that may be a different story. I don't think a teenager should have his life potentially ruined though over something like this. I have no problem with us recruiting him if that is all there is to the story. If there was other sexual misconduct such as allegations of sexual assault or anything like that, I would feel differently.

I agree, but you and I both know there will be some maverick reporter in our beloved paper who immediately gets down to business on vilifying the kid either way.

(06-17-2019 10:07 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 09:11 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  That is an unjust law in my opinion. A 16-year-old boy having an explicit photograph of a 15-year-old girl should not be a crime, even though it's not exactly what we want teenagers to be involved in. Even when I was in high school (1999-2003) there were explicit photos being passed around, as well as teenagers showing their goods on grainy old web cams. Now if he was 18 when he had possession of the photograph, that may be a different story. I don't think a teenager should have his life potentially ruined though over something like this. I have no problem with us recruiting him if that is all there is to the story. If there was other sexual misconduct such as allegations of sexual assault or anything like that, I would feel differently.

I agree, but you and I both know there will be some maverick reporter in our beloved paper who immediately gets down to business on vilifying the kid either way.

Of course. Then some Xavier fans, whose school of course recruits nothing but choir boys, will jump on the bandwagon and proclaim Brannen is returning UC to the "Thuggins" days. I say **** 'em.

This would be a massive pickup for next season as obviously the plan is for him to reclassify. Brannen is absolutely killing it so far.