(01-14-2019 06:14 PM)HERD1 Wrote:  I think this could be a disaster and have the opposite of the desired effect for our basketball teams.

It all comes down to primarily; odds and probability, and secondly; a national perception that isn’t going to change by us playing OURSELVES…

IMO, what this will ensure is that we’ll never be a two bid league (as it makes our top teams knock each other out at the end of year) instead of being able to win out on a few lesser teams. Nationally these in pod losses will hurt much more than any added wins against “decent” competition. It will also decrease, not increase, our top teams’ chances of getting a higher seed…because now our top team not only has to win out through the tourney but also win out the murderers row in pods (for the top 5) beforehand. I get the idea, but we are actually penalizing our good teams at the end of the year by making them play the “best” of the league AGAIN…and again this has a better chance of knocking any bubble teams out rather than helping a bubble team get in.

It comes down to this…what is more likely…our top team winning 4 in its pod and then 3 in the tourney? So 7 straight? Or is it more likely that our top team will lose 1 of those 7 and possibly then be staying home for the NCAAs.

Is it more likely for our top teams to go 4-0 in the pod…or 3-1? Odds are 3-1…this does nothing but hurt our top team(s). We are also stressing our teams out before the conference tourney. It’s hard enough getting through the conf. tourney…now our top teams will play murderers row…beforehand. How insanely stupid!

I think this was very short sighted by our conference. The only possible way this can now work out for the good…is if the regular season champ, wins out in its pod, and then runs through the CUSA tourney. What are the odds of that happening? Which if that happens, them running through the Conf tourney alone...would have prob been enough to get the recognition that team deserves.

In every other scenario that I can think of…no one gains an advantage by this. Nationally no one is going to care if our third place team goes 3-1 in the top pod. It’s a catch 22, if our teams aren’t good enough to keep from being left out of the tourney as it is, playing OURSELVES isn’t going to help our reputation or move the needle for a “bubble” team. Unless a bubble team knocks off our regular season champ…which will likely knock OUT our regular season champ from the tourney. You see what I’m saying? Unless we have two teams ranked in season, or our ranked team get's knocked off in our tourney...we will always be a 1 bid league. This pod thing has a better chance of hurting all teams involved than helping.

I agree. This whole scenario seems silly to me. I don't know why we don't play an inter-conference "challenge" against the top teams from another conference, say the MWC or SBC, or the MAC, instead. It would be much more interesting, it would excite the fans of both conferences, and it would give the winning conference something to really brag about when the decisions are being made about possibly awarding a conference a 2nd (or 3rd) bid.

This new pod system is almost guaranteed to saddle CUSA's top teams with more losses.

Current top 5 NET teams from CUSA

61 North Texas (16-2)
95 Old Dominion (12-5)
99 La Tech (13-5)
113 Western Kentucky (8-8)
122 Marshall (10-6)

Current top 5 CUSA teams (Pod 1)

1) UTSA
2) Marshall
3) UNT
4) La Tech
T5) ODU

I like it. It can't hurt those who win in the POD games.

My main concern (and I haven't seen the rules for this yet): Does a top 4 POD team run the risk of missing a BYE in the first round of the Conference tournament to a Second 4 team if they lose some POD games?

(01-17-2019 03:17 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I like it. It can't hurt those who win in the POD games.

My main concern (and I haven't seen the rules for this yet): Does a top 4 POD team run the risk of missing a BYE in the first round of the Conference tournament to a Second 4 team if they lose some POD games?

If I recall correctly, the seeding for the tourney will be set by pod finishes, rather than actual records. So, if you're pod 1, you will be seeded no lower than 5th. Pod 2, seeded no higher than 6th, even with a better record.

Pods are 1-5, 6-10, 11-14, I think.

(01-17-2019 04:32 PM)Noodles Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 03:17 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  I like it. It can't hurt those who win in the POD games.

My main concern (and I haven't seen the rules for this yet): Does a top 4 POD team run the risk of missing a BYE in the first round of the Conference tournament to a Second 4 team if they lose some POD games?

If I recall correctly, the seeding for the tourney will be set by pod finishes, rather than actual records. So, if you're pod 1, you will be seeded no lower than 5th. Pod 2, seeded no higher than 6th, even with a better record.

Yeah they said you can't finish lower than the lowest ranking of your pod. So if you're in the first pod you can't finish lower than 5th. But I assumed they would still within those parameters go by overall record. So if the top dog goes in with a +3 win record over the next guy that still counts and would have to lose all 4 games to not finish the top seed (if my maths right)

I hope that's the way it is. They shouldn't just throw out the results of the first 14 games. But also the #6 team which will play easier competition in pod 2 shouldn't be able to catapult up above the #4 or 5. Just me interpretation but I don't know if those details have been released.

clt is a tide pod fan tho

(01-17-2019 07:56 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt is a tide pod fan tho

This explains so much.

(01-17-2019 04:56 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Yeah they said you can't finish lower than the lowest ranking of your pod. So if you're in the first pod you can't finish lower than 5th. But I assumed they would still within those parameters go by overall record. So if the top dog goes in with a +3 win record over the next guy that still counts and would have to lose all 4 games to not finish the top seed (if my maths right)

I hope that's the way it is. They shouldn't just throw out the results of the first 14 games. But also the #6 team which will play easier competition in pod 2 shouldn't be able to catapult up above the #4 or 5. Just me interpretation but I don't know if those details have been released.

Yes, seeding is determined in the way that you described. HERE is the whole article.

And here is the relevant quote:

Quote:Once all 18 games have been completed, the top 12 teams based on final league standings will be seeded in the conference tournament. Teams will be guaranteed seeding within their respective group. For example, if a program lands in the second group (6-10), it will seed no higher than six and no lower than 10 in the tournament field.

(01-17-2019 09:30 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:56 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Yeah they said you can't finish lower than the lowest ranking of your pod. So if you're in the first pod you can't finish lower than 5th. But I assumed they would still within those parameters go by overall record. So if the top dog goes in with a +3 win record over the next guy that still counts and would have to lose all 4 games to not finish the top seed (if my maths right)

I hope that's the way it is. They shouldn't just throw out the results of the first 14 games. But also the #6 team which will play easier competition in pod 2 shouldn't be able to catapult up above the #4 or 5. Just me interpretation but I don't know if those details have been released.

Yes, seeding is determined in the way that you described. HERE is the whole article.

And here is the relevant quote:

Quote:Once all 18 games have been completed, the top 12 teams based on final league standings will be seeded in the conference tournament. Teams will be guaranteed seeding within their respective group. For example, if a program lands in the second group (6-10), it will seed no higher than six and no lower than 10 in the tournament field.

That makes sense. I like the set up, let’s give it a few years and see what happens.

(01-17-2019 07:58 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 07:56 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt is a tide pod fan tho

This explains so much.

(01-17-2019 09:30 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(01-17-2019 04:56 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Yeah they said you can't finish lower than the lowest ranking of your pod. So if you're in the first pod you can't finish lower than 5th. But I assumed they would still within those parameters go by overall record. So if the top dog goes in with a +3 win record over the next guy that still counts and would have to lose all 4 games to not finish the top seed (if my maths right)

I hope that's the way it is. They shouldn't just throw out the results of the first 14 games. But also the #6 team which will play easier competition in pod 2 shouldn't be able to catapult up above the #4 or 5. Just me interpretation but I don't know if those details have been released.

Yes, seeding is determined in the way that you described. HERE is the whole article.

And here is the relevant quote:

Quote:Once all 18 games have been completed, the top 12 teams based on final league standings will be seeded in the conference tournament. Teams will be guaranteed seeding within their respective group. For example, if a program lands in the second group (6-10), it will seed no higher than six and no lower than 10 in the tournament field.

Great question and thanks for the response. Glad to know they aren't throwing out the first 14 games as well. So in theory. If a team had a big enough lead (in conference wins) they could lose all those games in the final pod and still win the regular season conference championship (as they should.)