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Jarr- what have you seen from fredericks to have him in our best 5. I'm sure he'll get better but he's far from the best 5 right now.

(11-14-2018 02:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Jarr- what have you seen from fredericks to have him in our best 5. I'm sure he'll get better but he's far from the best 5 right now.

Probably not enough to be honest. But he is athletic with sagood build and can hit the 3. Its hard to tell with some of these guys when Mick wont leave them out long enough to correct their mistakes.

Sub out Eliel for Fredericks and you're onto something. Let JJ spell Logan, particularly as the season wears on, and you have a lineup that's built for more serious success next year.

(11-14-2018 02:06 PM)jarr Wrote:  I have said a few times, I like Tre. It's just that Cronin has him in a position where he is expecting him to carry our post offense, and that isnt Tre. He has some positives to his game though that would work better complimenting someone else.

The starting lineup should be:

LJ
JC
KW
Frederick's
Scott

Those are probably our best 5 and in 2018 it's all about playing your 5 best players instead of plugging in positions.

JJ has always been a backup PG because of his limitations, I dont buy that his defense is really that big of a deal like Cronin claims, if we are playing a higher quality opponent. Cane has definitely been a disappointment, however I still dont think he has been utilized correctly.

(11-14-2018 03:23 PM)geef Wrote:  Sub out Eliel for Fredericks and you're onto something. Let JJ spell Logan, particularly as the season wears on, and you have a lineup that's built for more serious success next year.

(11-14-2018 02:06 PM)jarr Wrote:  I have said a few times, I like Tre. It's just that Cronin has him in a position where he is expecting him to carry our post offense, and that isnt Tre. He has some positives to his game though that would work better complimenting someone else.

The starting lineup should be:

LJ
JC
KW
Frederick's
Scott

Those are probably our best 5 and in 2018 it's all about playing your 5 best players instead of plugging in positions.

JJ has always been a backup PG because of his limitations, I dont buy that his defense is really that big of a deal like Cronin claims, if we are playing a higher quality opponent. Cane has definitely been a disappointment, however I still dont think he has been utilized correctly.

I still thinking having 2 of our big guys in at the same time is too much space being taken up by non skill guys. However I was expecting more out of Frederick's, I thought he could be a 10 and 5 guy.

agreed that Fredericks has underwhelmed so far. dude is jacked but looks lost on the court at the moment.

(11-14-2018 02:32 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 02:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Jarr- what have you seen from fredericks to have him in our best 5. I'm sure he'll get better but he's far from the best 5 right now.

Probably not enough to be honest. But he is athletic with sagood build and can hit the 3. Its hard to tell with some of these guys when Mick wont leave them out long enough to correct their mistakes.

One one hand, Mick's proclivity for pulling guys every time they make a mistake might be a factor in why our guys always play intense defense. On the other hand, I absolutely believe it has a lot to do with our lack of flow on offense, as well as the lack of confidence we often see on that side of the ball. Guys are so terrified of getting yanked that they are afraid to make plays. This results in everyone passing the ball around the perimeter scared to do anything with it. That's Mick Ball for ya.

(11-14-2018 03:29 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 03:23 PM)geef Wrote:  Sub out Eliel for Fredericks and you're onto something. Let JJ spell Logan, particularly as the season wears on, and you have a lineup that's built for more serious success next year.

(11-14-2018 02:06 PM)jarr Wrote:  I have said a few times, I like Tre. It's just that Cronin has him in a position where he is expecting him to carry our post offense, and that isnt Tre. He has some positives to his game though that would work better complimenting someone else.

The starting lineup should be:

LJ
JC
KW
Frederick's
Scott

Those are probably our best 5 and in 2018 it's all about playing your 5 best players instead of plugging in positions.

JJ has always been a backup PG because of his limitations, I dont buy that his defense is really that big of a deal like Cronin claims, if we are playing a higher quality opponent. Cane has definitely been a disappointment, however I still dont think he has been utilized correctly.

I still thinking having 2 of our big guys in at the same time is too much space being taken up by non skill guys. However I was expecting more out of Frederick's, I thought he could be a 10 and 5 guy.

Why? One of those bigs is Scott and he has shown the ability to shoot the ball from 3 and has a mid-range jumper. Besides that he is also a very good passer. If the goal is to play four perimeter players, Scott is an excellent 4.

(11-14-2018 05:58 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 03:29 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 03:23 PM)geef Wrote:  Sub out Eliel for Fredericks and you're onto something. Let JJ spell Logan, particularly as the season wears on, and you have a lineup that's built for more serious success next year.

(11-14-2018 02:06 PM)jarr Wrote:  I have said a few times, I like Tre. It's just that Cronin has him in a position where he is expecting him to carry our post offense, and that isnt Tre. He has some positives to his game though that would work better complimenting someone else.

The starting lineup should be:

LJ
JC
KW
Frederick's
Scott

Those are probably our best 5 and in 2018 it's all about playing your 5 best players instead of plugging in positions.

JJ has always been a backup PG because of his limitations, I dont buy that his defense is really that big of a deal like Cronin claims, if we are playing a higher quality opponent. Cane has definitely been a disappointment, however I still dont think he has been utilized correctly.

I still thinking having 2 of our big guys in at the same time is too much space being taken up by non skill guys. However I was expecting more out of Frederick's, I thought he could be a 10 and 5 guy.

Why? One of those bigs is Scott and he has shown the ability to shoot the ball from 3 and has a mid-range jumper. Besides that he is also a very good passer. If the goal is to play four perimeter players, Scott is an excellent 4.

What the heck are you talking about? When has he shown the ability to hit from 3? He shot one three last year and missed it. He is 1 for 3 this year.

(11-14-2018 06:31 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 05:58 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 03:29 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 03:23 PM)geef Wrote:  Sub out Eliel for Fredericks and you're onto something. Let JJ spell Logan, particularly as the season wears on, and you have a lineup that's built for more serious success next year.

(11-14-2018 02:06 PM)jarr Wrote:  I have said a few times, I like Tre. It's just that Cronin has him in a position where he is expecting him to carry our post offense, and that isnt Tre. He has some positives to his game though that would work better complimenting someone else.

The starting lineup should be:

LJ
JC
KW
Frederick's
Scott

Those are probably our best 5 and in 2018 it's all about playing your 5 best players instead of plugging in positions.

JJ has always been a backup PG because of his limitations, I dont buy that his defense is really that big of a deal like Cronin claims, if we are playing a higher quality opponent. Cane has definitely been a disappointment, however I still dont think he has been utilized correctly.

I still thinking having 2 of our big guys in at the same time is too much space being taken up by non skill guys. However I was expecting more out of Frederick's, I thought he could be a 10 and 5 guy.

Why? One of those bigs is Scott and he has shown the ability to shoot the ball from 3 and has a mid-range jumper. Besides that he is also a very good passer. If the goal is to play four perimeter players, Scott is an excellent 4.

What the heck are you talking about? When has he shown the ability to hit from 3? He shot one three last year and missed it. He is 1 for 3 this year.

If you watched the game, you'd have seen him hit a two that was three distance (toe on the line) and go 6-6. Plus he has very good form on his shot. Believe it or not players practice their shots and improve. Though Tre Scott actually was a pretty good shooter last year as well, but he wasn't needed as a scorer.

(11-14-2018 06:36 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 06:31 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 05:58 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 03:29 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 03:23 PM)geef Wrote:  Sub out Eliel for Fredericks and you're onto something. Let JJ spell Logan, particularly as the season wears on, and you have a lineup that's built for more serious success next year.

I still thinking having 2 of our big guys in at the same time is too much space being taken up by non skill guys. However I was expecting more out of Frederick's, I thought he could be a 10 and 5 guy.

Why? One of those bigs is Scott and he has shown the ability to shoot the ball from 3 and has a mid-range jumper. Besides that he is also a very good passer. If the goal is to play four perimeter players, Scott is an excellent 4.

What the heck are you talking about? When has he shown the ability to hit from 3? He shot one three last year and missed it. He is 1 for 3 this year.

If you watched the game, you'd have seen him hit a two that was three distance (toe on the line) and go 6-6. Plus he has very good form on his shot. Believe it or not players practice their shots and improve. Though Tre Scott actually was a pretty good shooter last year as well, but he wasn't needed as a scorer.

Ah, so 1 of 3 for his career gives you all the information you need. Got it.

(11-14-2018 02:06 PM)jarr Wrote:  I have said a few times, I like Tre. It's just that Cronin has him in a position where he is expecting him to carry our post offense, and that isnt Tre. He has some positives to his game though that would work better complimenting someone else.

The starting lineup should be:

LJ
JC
KW
Frederick's
Scott

Those are probably our best 5 and in 2018 it's all about playing your 5 best players instead of plugging in positions.

JJ has always been a backup PG because of his limitations, I dont buy that his defense is really that big of a deal like Cronin claims, if we are playing a higher quality opponent. Cane has definitely been a disappointment, however I still dont think he has been utilized correctly.

not sure about Fred in the starting lineup....

I definitely agree with others who say Brooks and Scott shouldn’t be starting together. I’d go smaller too and get more skill on the court. Something is just missing with Brooks. For his size he should dominate when he gets the ball down low. But he seems kind of hesitant and soft to me once he gets the ball. Very frustrating to see with someone of his size when he gets the ball 3 feet from the hoop.

(11-14-2018 07:42 PM)Marcus Wrote:  I definitely agree with others who say Brooks and Scott shouldn’t be starting together. I’d go smaller too and get more skill on the court. Something is just missing with Brooks. For his size he should dominate when he gets the ball down low. But he seems kind of hesitant and soft to me once he gets the ball. Very frustrating to see with someone of his size when he gets the ball 3 feet from the hoop.

agree 100%


comparing Brooks to say, Art Long....Art Long at 6'8 would eat Brooks' lunch. That shouldn't happen with Brooks body/size.