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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Ohio State is the lineal champion at the conclusion on 2018 season after beating Washington in the Rose Bowl.

*updated the spreadsheet to include a ELO ranking for each team in every game. The highest combined ELO game in lineal history was :
Yale 8 @ Harvard 0 Nov 20 1909
The highest modern (post 1950) combined ELO game was:
<1> Florida State 30 @ <3> Florida 23 Nov 20 1999

* Updated the spreadsheet to include the AP ranking for each game, there were several AP #1 vs AP#2 game in the lineal history
<1> Army 32 vs <2> Navy 13 Dec 1 1945 Ind Ind
<2> Notre Dame 0 vs <1> Army 0 Nov 9 1946 Ind Ind
<1> Southern California 42 vs <2> Wisconsin 37 Jan 1 1963 AAWU Big Ten Rose Bowl (Pasadena CA)
<2> Texas 28 vs <1> Oklahoma 7 Oct 12 1963 SWC Big 8
<1> Texas 28 vs <2> Navy 6 Jan 1 1964 SWC Ind Cotton Bowl (Dallas TX)
<1> Purdue 37 @ <2> Notre Dame 22 Sep 28 1968 Big Ten Ind
<1> Ohio State 27 @ <2> Southern California 16 Jan 1 1969 Big Ten Pac-8 Rose Bowl (Pasadena CA)
<1> Nebraska 38 vs <2> Alabama 6 Jan 1 1972 Big 8 SEC Orange Bowl (Miami FL)
<2> Penn State 14 vs <1> Miami FL 10 Jan 2 1987 Ind Ind Fiesta Bowl (Tempe AZ)
<1> Florida State 46 vs <2> Virginia Tech 29 Jan 4 2000 ACC Big East Sugar Bowl (New Orleans LA)
<2> Ohio State 31 vs <1> Miami FL 24 Jan 3 2003 Big Ten Big East Fiesta Bowl (Tempe AZ)
<1> Southern California 55 vs <2> Oklahoma 19 Jan 4 2005 Pac-10 Big 12 Orange Bowl (Miami FL)
<2> Texas 41 @ <1> Southern California 38 Jan 4 2006 Big 12 Pac-10 Rose Bowl (Pasadena CA)
<1> Ohio State 24 @ <2> Texas 7 Sep 9 2006 Big Ten Big 12
<1> Ohio State 42 vs <2> Michigan 39 Nov 18 2006 Big Ten Big Ten
<2> Florida 41 vs <1> Ohio State 14 Jan 8 2007 SEC Big Ten BCS Championship (Glendale AZ)
<1> Florida 24 vs <2> Oklahoma 14 Jan 8 2009 SEC Big 12 BCS Championship (Miami FL)
<2> Alabama 32 vs <1> Florida 13 Dec 5 2009 SEC SEC SEC Championship (Atlanta GA)
<1> Alabama 37 vs <2> Texas 21 Jan 7 2010 SEC Big 12 BCS Championship (Pasadena CA)
<1> Auburn 22 vs <2> Oregon 19 Jan 10 2011 SEC Pac-12 BCS Championship (Glendale AZ)
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Ohio State retained lineal championship vs Florida Atlantic. This matchup was the first lineal championship game for Florida Atlantic. Ohio state current streak is 6 games. Ohio State defends the lineal championship next vs. Cincinnati. Cincinnati has played in 1 previous lineal championship game and lost 37-7 against Ohio State on Sep 16 2006 with Ohio State ranked #1 in the ap poll.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Ohio State retained lineal championship vs Cincinnati. Ohio state current streak is 7 games. Ohio State defends the lineal championship next @ Indiana. Indiana has never held the lineal championship but has played in 6 lineal championship games and 3 of those game have been against Ohio State:

<17> Iowa,34,vs,Indiana,13,Oct 11 1958
<4> Michigan,21,@,Indiana,7,Nov 4 1972
<1> Ohio State,24,vs,Indiana,14,Nov 1 1975
<15> Iowa,42,vs,Indiana,28,Oct 10 1981
<1> Ohio State,44,vs,Indiana,3,Oct 21 2006
<3> Ohio State,49,vs,Indiana,26,Oct 6 2018
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Ohio State retains lineal championship, next up they defend against Miami of Ohio. Miami of Ohio has played in only 1 lineal championship game losing to 6th ranked Washington in 1984

<6> Washington,53,vs,Miami OH ,7,Sep 29 1984
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Ohio state retains lineal championship after defeating Miami OH. Ohio State defends the lineal championship next at Nebraska. Nebraska has held the lineal championship 3 times in the past and has a 19-12 record in lineal championship games. They last held the lineal championship on Oct 10, 1998 when they lost to <18>Texas A&M 28 ,vs, <2>Nebraska 21. Nebraska last played for the lineal championship in a loss to #4 Missouri on Oct 4, 2008.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
It's nice that you're updating this every week. Just FYI, in lineal championship games, Nebraska is 19-7-1.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Thanks for the correction, my grep was incorrect, Nebraska is 19-8 in lineal championship games. When a challenger ties the lineal champion then I count it as a loss since the challenger did not take over the reign.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
I know a grep is a computer programming thing, but that's about it. 03-wink

You're missing a couple games in West Virginia Wesleyan's run as lineal champ in 1924 (vs. Bethany on 11/22 and @ Davis & Elkins on 11/27).

Also, we talked about this a little via PM, but I see you include what I'd consider exhibition games, against teams such as athletic clubs and temporary/non-academy military teams (e.g., West Coast Army). If you count these games, then wouldn't you have to consider the lineal championship as going to the San Francisco Olympic Club in 1931 due to their win over St. Mary's Gaels on 11/7?

It took quite a bit of digging, particularly when it came to the California military team games (many thanks to the San Pedro News Pilot on https://cdnc.ucr.edu), but I was able to trace this tangent from the "real" lineal championship to the point where it would have merged back in again: Georgia over Alabama on Halloween 1942. Check out the "SF Olympic Club Tangent" tab here.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
I missed purging a few exhibition games from my DB. I agree with your opinion that exhibition games should not be included in the lineal history. Regenerated the lineal championship history.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
(09-25-2019 05:43 PM)jhasting Wrote:  I missed purging a few exhibition games from my DB. I agree with your opinion that exhibition games should not be included in the lineal history. Regenerated the lineal championship history.

Very cool. Keep up the great work! 04-cheers
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
while updating the script to support purging exhibition games I made another update to track the lineal championship within a conference. I tried SEC as an example. Since the SEC branched off from the Southern conference in 1933 I used the first matchup in the southern conference where Auburn defeated Clemson 56-0 on 10/14/1921 as the initial game of the SEC lineal championship. I added a SEC tab to the link in the OP. The SEC lineal championship has been in the state of Alabama 43% of the games & University of Alabama is the current lineal champion.

school reigns wins loses
Alabama 31 222 55
Tennessee 20 77 55
Florida 14 75 48
Auburn 19 64 63
Louisiana State 17 58 59
Georgia Tech 10 55 23
Georgia 18 37 54
Mississippi 8 21 43
Mississippi State 8 18 61
Arkansas 5 11 27
Kentucky 5 9 50
Vanderbilt 5 6 59
South Carolina 3 5 21
Tulane 2 3 17
Texas A&M 1 2 4
North Carolina 1 1 5
North Carolina State 0 0 1
Virginia 0 0 1
Washington & Lee 0 0 1
Duke 0 0 2
VMI 0 0 2
Clemson 0 0 3
Sewanee 0 0 4
Missouri 0 0 6
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Also populated Big Ten in a another tab of the link. The first game in the Big Ten lineal championship was Minnesota defeats Purdue 14-0 on Oct 17, 1896 in the Western Conference. Ohio State is the current champion, and Ohio State is also the current all conference division-I lineal championship. Ohio State & Michigan have dominated the big ten lineal championship by holding the lineal championship 43% (same percentage as Alabama+Auburn) of the games.

school reigns wins losses
Ohio State 36 173 64
Michigan 32 164 71
Illinois 15 67 79
Michigan State 19 64 45
Minnesota 21 62 81
Wisconsin 21 56 95
Purdue 16 48 68
Iowa 18 47 82
Chicago 7 35 27
Northwestern 13 35 71
Penn State 6 24 19
Indiana 5 9 72
Nebraska 1 1 4
Rutgers 0 0 3
Maryland 0 0 4
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
The Miami Hurricanes hold the record for the longest run as lineal champion: 32 straight games from 2000-2002.

From 1957-1964, the SEC set the current record for the most consecutive games (81) in which a single conference held the lineal championship. It went from Tennessee (3) to Ole Miss (9) to LSU (12) to Tennessee (1) to Ole Miss (20) to LSU (11) to Ole Miss (14) to Alabama (11).

The only time a school has spent a single run as lineal champ in more than one conference is West Virginia's 6-game run in 2012: from winning the "belt" for the Big East in the Orange Bowl on January 4 to losing it to new Big 12 conference mate Texas Tech on October 13.
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(09-26-2019 06:08 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The Miami Hurricanes hold the record for the longest run as lineal champion: 32 straight games from 2000-2002.

The Miami teams that Butch Davis constructed at the turn of the Millenium were really something, as good as the best Jimmy Johnson/Dennis Erickson teams of a decade earlier.

They were so good that a bum coach like Larry Coker was able to ride them to a national title in 2001 and within a hair of another in 2002, but truth is, Miami was probably the best team three straight years, 2000 - 2002.
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OT: NCAA lineal champion
Some of us in C-USA track a lineal Championship amongst Texas-based teams in the conference.
We don’t need a spreadsheet for it since there’s only (at most) four teams a year participating. North Texas holds it and is defending next against UTEP.

But since you have a spreadsheet... I’d be very interested to see the lineal championship traced amongst all Texas-based teams.

I’d give it to Texas to start in 1902 with Texas A&M taking it with a 12-0 win in that year’s season finale. (Based on the 1-A database I typically use)

After a few defenses, Trinity would eventually take it late in 1903 but since they’re not 1A I lose the trail there.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
I generate the spreadsheet from a DB populated with all games using a program. I made a 'Texas Universities Conference' founded in 1902 comprised of the following schools :
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
Texas Christian
Houston
Southern Methodist
Rice
Texas-El Paso
North Texas
Texas State
UTSA
Texas-San Antonio
Lamar
Trinity Texas
Houston Baptist
Incarnate Word
Southwestern TX
St. Mary's TX

Generated the lineal championship starting with your suggested initial game. Updated the link in the OP with a new 'Texas' tab. Texas is current lineal champion after defeating Rice for the 3rd defense in the current reign. Texas has the most reigns & wins among the 'Texas' conference.

LIN,Baylor(#13(32-95))
LIN,Houston(#7(29-17))
LIN,Lamar(#1(1-2))
LIN,North Texas(#0(0-12))
LIN,Rice(#15(40-76))
LIN,Southern Methodist(#17(65-65))
LIN,Southwestern TX (#0(0-16))
LIN,Texas(#38(220-68))
LIN,Texas A&M(#22(105-78))
LIN,Texas Christian(#17(52-76))
LIN,Texas State(#1(2-2))
LIN,Texas Tech(#14(30-59))
LIN,Texas-El Paso(#0(0-3))
LIN,Trinity Texas (#1(2-9))


Check out 9/26/81. Texas State won and held until 1986. This is because Texas State is added to your 'Texas' conference because they are D1 today, but they were not D1 in 1981 and only occasionally played the other teams in your 'Texas' conference. My DB is populated with games where there is at least 1 D1 team.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Added PAC-12 ACC SEW Big 12 tabs in the OP. For ACC lineal Tennessee took the Southern conference lineal championship into SEC so started ACC lineal championship in 1953. SWC ended in 1995.
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RE: OT: NCAA lineal champion
Looks like the first football game between two actual Texas colleges or universities was on October 19, 1894, when the University of Texas shut out Texas A&M (then Texas AMC) 38-0.

https://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/active...?year=1893
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(09-27-2019 06:51 AM)jhasting Wrote:  I generate the spreadsheet from a DB populated with all games using a program. I made a 'Texas' conference founded in 1902 comprised of the following schools :
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
Texas Christian
Houston
Southern Methodist
Rice
Texas-El Paso
North Texas
Texas State
UTSA
Texas-San Antonio
Lamar
Trinity Texas
Houston Baptist
Incarnate Word
Southwestern TX
St. Mary's TX

Generated the lineal championship starting with your suggested initial game. Updated the link in the OP with a new 'Texas' tab. Texas is current lineal champion after defeating Rice for the 3rd defense in the current reign. Texas has the most reigns & wins among the 'Texas' conference.

LIN,Baylor(#13(32-95))
LIN,Houston(#7(29-17))
LIN,Lamar(#1(1-2))
LIN,North Texas(#0(0-12))
LIN,Rice(#15(40-76))
LIN,Southern Methodist(#17(65-65))
LIN,Southwestern TX (#0(0-16))
LIN,Texas(#38(220-68))
LIN,Texas A&M(#22(105-78))
LIN,Texas Christian(#17(52-76))
LIN,Texas State(#1(2-2))
LIN,Texas Tech(#14(30-59))
LIN,Texas-El Paso(#0(0-3))
LIN,Trinity Texas (#1(2-9))


Check out 9/26/81. Texas State won and held until 1986. This is because Texas State is added to your 'Texas' conference because they are D1 today, but they were not D1 in 1981 and only occasionally played the other teams in your 'Texas' conference. My DB is populated with games where there is at least 1 D1 team.


Awesome!

And it took us two tries to get it from Southwest Texas State, as we called them back then.

I’m pretty sure I was at both games (‘86 and ‘87), had no idea so much was at stake!!!
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(09-26-2019 06:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 06:08 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The Miami Hurricanes hold the record for the longest run as lineal champion: 32 straight games from 2000-2002.

The Miami teams that Butch Davis constructed at the turn of the Millenium were really something, as good as the best Jimmy Johnson/Dennis Erickson teams of a decade earlier.

They were so good that a bum coach like Larry Coker was able to ride them to a national title in 2001 and within a hair of another in 2002, but truth is, Miami was probably the best team three straight years, 2000 - 2002.

Honestly, Larry Coker was pretty good. He ended up an .800 coach (60-15) with only 1 sub-9 win season in 6 years. Firing Coker sucked Miami into the never ending cycle of switching coaches every few years to get back what Coker had.

Coker deserved a better second opportunity than a start-up program.
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