(04-03-2018 01:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  ECU has agreed to terms with Joe Dooley to become its next head basketball coach. I think this is an exceptional hire by ECU. He definitely has what it takes to turn that program around. I wasn't around during his first stint at ECU, but something tells me I'm going to enjoy rooting against him.

He had a winning record at ECU (57-52) his first go-round, which is tough to do.

They'll have success under him in his 2nd stint, I'm sure. Question is how long he sticks around. He's coached at 4 different schools since leaving the Pirates back in '99, and it seemed pretty clear he used his status as a finalist for the job here as leverage to get some more money out of Florida Gulf Coast.

He strikes me as another Kevin Keatts in terms of his ambition. But hell, ECU hasn't had success in basketball. So it's well worth the chance to become relevant in the sport. It'll likely work out well for both parties.

(04-03-2018 01:47 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 01:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  ECU has agreed to terms with Joe Dooley to become its next head basketball coach. I think this is an exceptional hire by ECU. He definitely has what it takes to turn that program around. I wasn't around during his first stint at ECU, but something tells me I'm going to enjoy rooting against him.

He had a winning record at ECU (57-52) his first go-round, which is tough to do.

They'll have success under him in his 2nd stint, I'm sure. Question is how long he sticks around. He's coached at 4 different schools since leaving the Pirates back in '99, and it seemed pretty clear he used his status as a finalist for the job here as leverage to get some more money out of Florida Gulf Coast.

He strikes me as another Kevin Keatts in terms of his ambition. But hell, ECU hasn't had success in basketball. So it's well worth the chance to become relevant in the sport. It'll likely work out well for both parties.

It's pretty surprising to think about the lack of success that program has had. Especially with all the talent in the State of NC, and to be more specific Eastern NC. Kinston, NC has the highest NBA Player per capita in the Country. Not saying that he can get NBA Talent to come there, but there is plenty talent in that area. No reason, he can't have them competing. He'll have some stiff competition in conference though, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

(04-03-2018 03:05 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  It's pretty surprising to think about the lack of success that program has had. Especially with all the talent in the State of NC, and to be more specific Eastern NC. Kinston, NC has the highest NBA Player per capita in the Country. Not saying that he can get NBA Talent to come there, but there is plenty talent in that area. No reason, he can't have them competing. He'll have some stiff competition in conference though, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

It's not always an advantage having a lot of talent in your own backyard. There's something to be said about kids wanting to go some place different, especially if they have the talent to draw offers from quality programs around the state/country.

(04-03-2018 03:05 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 01:47 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 01:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  ECU has agreed to terms with Joe Dooley to become its next head basketball coach. I think this is an exceptional hire by ECU. He definitely has what it takes to turn that program around. I wasn't around during his first stint at ECU, but something tells me I'm going to enjoy rooting against him.

He had a winning record at ECU (57-52) his first go-round, which is tough to do.

They'll have success under him in his 2nd stint, I'm sure. Question is how long he sticks around. He's coached at 4 different schools since leaving the Pirates back in '99, and it seemed pretty clear he used his status as a finalist for the job here as leverage to get some more money out of Florida Gulf Coast.

He strikes me as another Kevin Keatts in terms of his ambition. But hell, ECU hasn't had success in basketball. So it's well worth the chance to become relevant in the sport. It'll likely work out well for both parties.

It's pretty surprising to think about the lack of success that program has had. Especially with all the talent in the State of NC, and to be more specific Eastern NC. Kinston, NC has the highest NBA Player per capita in the Country. Not saying that he can get NBA Talent to come there, but there is plenty talent in that area. No reason, he can't have them competing. He'll have some stiff competition in conference though, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

Yep, been saying it for years, like this kid.

http://www.newbernsj.com/sports/20170125...ing-on-him

(04-03-2018 03:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 03:05 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  It's pretty surprising to think about the lack of success that program has had. Especially with all the talent in the State of NC, and to be more specific Eastern NC. Kinston, NC has the highest NBA Player per capita in the Country. Not saying that he can get NBA Talent to come there, but there is plenty talent in that area. No reason, he can't have them competing. He'll have some stiff competition in conference though, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

It's not always an advantage having a lot of talent in your own backyard. There's something to be said about kids wanting to go some place different, especially if they have the talent to draw offers from quality programs around the state/country.

The problem with the former staff is their ability to recruit capable guys. They always went for the athletic guy for the most part. The ones who were dunking everything on the AAU circuit. Not the kids with high basketball IQ.

(04-03-2018 03:14 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 03:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 03:05 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  It's pretty surprising to think about the lack of success that program has had. Especially with all the talent in the State of NC, and to be more specific Eastern NC. Kinston, NC has the highest NBA Player per capita in the Country. Not saying that he can get NBA Talent to come there, but there is plenty talent in that area. No reason, he can't have them competing. He'll have some stiff competition in conference though, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

It's not always an advantage having a lot of talent in your own backyard. There's something to be said about kids wanting to go some place different, especially if they have the talent to draw offers from quality programs around the state/country.

The problem with the former staff is their ability to recruit capable guys. They always went for the athletic guy for the most part. The ones who were dunking everything on the AAU circuit. Not the kids with high basketball IQ.

They just couldn't evaluate talent and didn't have enough self belief to go out on a limb to make an offer. Also no one would confuse the staff as salesman. That being said I do like the incoming class they signed. The kid Jayden Gardner put up huge #s in HS.

(04-03-2018 03:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 03:05 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  It's pretty surprising to think about the lack of success that program has had. Especially with all the talent in the State of NC, and to be more specific Eastern NC. Kinston, NC has the highest NBA Player per capita in the Country. Not saying that he can get NBA Talent to come there, but there is plenty talent in that area. No reason, he can't have them competing. He'll have some stiff competition in conference though, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

It's not always an advantage having a lot of talent in your own backyard. There's something to be said about kids wanting to go some place different, especially if they have the talent to draw offers from quality programs around the state/country.

I can understand that. UNCW has also done a pretty bad job at keeping talent from around Wilmington here. I believe Freddie Jackson was the first Wilmington native to play at UNCW in something like 30 years, and a lot of that had to do with him having a child while still in high school.

(04-03-2018 01:47 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  They'll have success under him in his 2nd stint, I'm sure. Question is how long he sticks around.

I wondered what you guys would think knowing that he interviewed for both our jobs multiple times since 2004. 2 times here and 3 times a candidate at UNCW by my count. One important factor you miss is Dooley's parents live in Greenville which is maybe why he was so interested in getting back to the area. He was even linked to NC State's top assistant job while at FGCU. Another thing is he's 52 years old now, unless he wins big immediately is he really going to be at the top of any one else's list in 4 or 5 years? I actually think he is the only guy that really stands much chance of being here in 10+ years given the family angle/age.

ECU did the guy wrong. He had a top 100 RPI team as a 30 year old on a shoestring budget here, and got fired after a 13-14 (7-9) season with our best player Joyces missing 9 of the 27 games that year. Joyces was the preseason CAA POY by Sports Illistrated the next year. The AD just wanted his own guy and used the unlucky injury as justification to fire him.

Dooley also had future National Player of the year David West committed when he was fired. It always bugged me how different things could have been so to get the 52 year old coaching prime version is retribution in a way and a great day and there hasn't been any of those in a while.

I remember telling you guys he was a good candidate for you or anywhere else his name popped up. Literally posted this 10 years ago to the day on here

https://csnbbs.com/thread-292551-post-32...pid3225226

(04-03-2018 08:50 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  ECU did the guy wrong. He had a top 100 RPI team as a 30 year old on a shoestring budget here, and got fired with a 13-14 (7-9) with our best player Joyces missing 9 of the 27 games that year. That guy was the preseason CAA POY by Sports Illistrated the next year. The AD then just wanted his own guy and used the unlucky injury as a reason to fire him.

You guys have a thing for firing good, committed coaches who love the program after only 1 bad year

(04-03-2018 05:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 03:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 03:05 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  It's pretty surprising to think about the lack of success that program has had. Especially with all the talent in the State of NC, and to be more specific Eastern NC. Kinston, NC has the highest NBA Player per capita in the Country. Not saying that he can get NBA Talent to come there, but there is plenty talent in that area. No reason, he can't have them competing. He'll have some stiff competition in conference though, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

It's not always an advantage having a lot of talent in your own backyard. There's something to be said about kids wanting to go some place different, especially if they have the talent to draw offers from quality programs around the state/country.

I can understand that. UNCW has also done a pretty bad job at keeping talent from around Wilmington here. I believe Freddie Jackson was the first Wilmington native to play at UNCW in something like 30 years, and a lot of that had to do with him having a child while still in high school.

Wainwright got the Wilmington Christian Kid. Marcus Green I believe

(04-03-2018 01:33 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  ECU has agreed to terms with Joe Dooley to become its next head basketball coach. I think this is an exceptional hire by ECU. He definitely has what it takes to turn that program around. I wasn't around during his first stint at ECU, but something tells me I'm going to enjoy rooting against him.

A competitive ECU in the AAC is good for UNCW.

With Dooley and McGrath on the sidelines, this rivalry could really pick up. I hope we get our home game this year with the students in house.

(04-03-2018 08:50 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 01:47 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  They'll have success under him in his 2nd stint, I'm sure. Question is how long he sticks around.

I wondered what you guys would think knowing that he interviewed for both our jobs multiple times since 2004. 2 times here and 3 times a candidate at UNCW by my count. One important factor you miss is Dooley's parents live in Greenville which is maybe why he was so interested in getting back to the area. He was even linked to NC State's top assistant job while at FGCU. Another thing is he's 52 years old now, unless he wins big immediately is he really going to be at the top of any one else's list in 4 or 5 years? I actually think he is the only guy that really stands much chance of being here in 10+ years given the family angle/age.

ECU did the guy wrong. He had a top 100 RPI team as a 30 year old on a shoestring budget here, and got fired after a 13-14 (7-9) season with our best player Joyces missing 9 of the 27 games that year. Joyces was the preseason CAA POY by Sports Illistrated the next year. The AD just wanted his own guy and used the unlucky injury as justification to fire him.

Dooley also had future National Player of the year David West committed when he was fired. It always bugged me how different things could have been so to get the 52 year old coaching prime version is retribution in a way and a great day and there hasn't been any of those in a while.

I remember telling you guys he was a good candidate for you or anywhere else his name popped up. Literally posted this 10 years ago to the day on here

https://csnbbs.com/thread-292551-post-32...pid3225226

Long time no see.

Well, I think it’s a good hire for ecu, sure. I wasn’t a fan of the way he seemingly used the UNCW opening as an avenue to angle more money out of FGCU and not appear genuinely interested in the UNCW job. That’s the business of it though, so it’s whatever in the end.

Definitely think he’ll improve the pirates though.


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(04-03-2018 09:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:50 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  ECU did the guy wrong. He had a top 100 RPI team as a 30 year old on a shoestring budget here, and got fired with a 13-14 (7-9) with our best player Joyces missing 9 of the 27 games that year. That guy was the preseason CAA POY by Sports Illistrated the next year. The AD then just wanted his own guy and used the unlucky injury as a reason to fire him.

You guys have a thing for firing good, committed coaches who love the program after only 1 bad year

I agree 100%. Ask Seahawkshoops what I told him in some of our private message's the day we fired Ruff. I knew it was going to be a disaster and I haven't posted for 2 years or more. This **** show that is ECU athletics was to embarrassing so it's nice to finally have some news that doesn't suck.

I'm pretty sure that the AD chose McGrath over Dooley. I was for McGrath but felt Dooley could be good here. Dooley has proven that he can coach so he's an upgrade over Lebo. I never thought Lebo was good. If he can do it at ECU, he's VERY good. And, there's no reason why he can't.

(04-03-2018 09:30 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:50 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  ECU did the guy wrong. He had a top 100 RPI team as a 30 year old on a shoestring budget here, and got fired with a 13-14 (7-9) with our best player Joyces missing 9 of the 27 games that year. That guy was the preseason CAA POY by Sports Illistrated the next year. The AD then just wanted his own guy and used the unlucky injury as a reason to fire him.

You guys have a thing for firing good, committed coaches who love the program after only 1 bad year

I agree 100%. Ask Seahawkshoops what I told him in some of our private message's the day we fired Ruff. I knew it was going to be a disaster and I haven't posted for 2 years or more. This **** show that is ECU athletics was to embarrassing so it's nice to finally have some news that doesn't suck.

I was thinking of that and Steve Logan as well.

No Secret i wanted Dooley. I think he'll workout well there. Reality is only place to go is up!

I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there. Right now they are about the 12th best D1 basketball program in NC and could be even worse. The base is so out of touch with reality it is unreal.

(04-04-2018 08:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there. Right now they are about the 12th best D1 basketball program in NC and could be even worse. The base is so out of touch with reality it is unreal.

AAC membership is the only positive. Competing in the 7th-best conference in America (sometimes 8th when the A-10 is in an up-year) provides a high ceiling.

(04-04-2018 08:14 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:10 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I doubt Dooley will make a difference there but he will get paid a lot of money. ECU has always been overrated in every sport other than baseball that it makes me wonder what coaches think when they apply for a job there. Right now they are about the 12th best D1 basketball program in NC and could be even worse. The base is so out of touch with reality it is unreal.

AAC membership is the only positive. Competing in the 7th-best conference in America (sometimes 8th when the A-10 is in an up-year) provides a high ceiling.

It all boils down to if you want to be a bottom dweller in a better conference or studs in a slightly lower conference.


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(04-03-2018 09:30 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 09:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-03-2018 08:50 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  ECU did the guy wrong. He had a top 100 RPI team as a 30 year old on a shoestring budget here, and got fired with a 13-14 (7-9) with our best player Joyces missing 9 of the 27 games that year. That guy was the preseason CAA POY by Sports Illistrated the next year. The AD then just wanted his own guy and used the unlucky injury as a reason to fire him.

You guys have a thing for firing good, committed coaches who love the program after only 1 bad year

I agree 100%. Ask Seahawkshoops what I told him in some of our private message's the day we fired Ruff. I knew it was going to be a disaster and I haven't posted for 2 years or more. This **** show that is ECU athletics was to embarrassing so it's nice to finally have some news that doesn't suck.

If only Terry Holland didn't age. Even though I am a UNCW alum/fan, I can definitely admit he was impressive while leading that Athletic Department. Him and my father are friends, and I had several opportunities to watch ECU games with him. He is quite the man.