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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
Of course UAB is not mentioned. Our Administration has no interest in moving up. We need to change that perception.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
SMUfan's list is a good effort at a comprehensive look at a complex picture. One can cherry pick an individual disagreement (I think UCF or USF over UCONN for the Big 12 expansion and I don't see Memphis leaving the AAC for the MWC) but the list has many good points. If C-USA loses two Texas schools, it will certainly want to add GA State in Atlanta and perhaps USA to reduce its wide area footprint. GA State, USA and UTSA are "diamonds in the rough" for growth in the 21st century and are financially on their way up.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
maybe the fact that all the teams being considered for expansion currently play football. We don't. I would think that would be a major criteria to be considered. That is not Ingram's fault. It's silly to be pushing for expansion right now when we aren't even playing football games this season. UAB has to prove that it can survive much less advance before they will be considered. Our chance will come, but it isn't now.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
(09-07-2016 05:03 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  maybe the fact that all the teams being considered for expansion currently play football. We don't. I would think that would be a major criteria to be considered. That is not Ingram's fault. It's silly to be pushing for expansion right now when we aren't even playing football games this season. UAB has to prove that it can survive much less advance before they will be considered. Our chance will come, but it isn't now.

If UAB can show that its recovery is backed by consistent financial backing, the program's interruption will be seen as more of a "speed bump" than a "roadway washout". That perception adjustment will take time and UAB will just have to wait it out while continuing to build its facilities. There are just no short cuts to positive public perceptions..
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
(09-05-2016 07:34 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  "AAU membership is by invitation only, ...based in part on an assessment of the breadth and quality of university programs of research and graduate education, as well as undergraduate education. The association ranks its members using four criteria: research spending, the percentage of faculty who are members of the National Academies, faculty awards, and citations.

(09-06-2016 07:44 AM)UABslant Wrote:  UAB still has work to do in regards to undergraduate education when looking at AAU membership.
YOUR RIGHT. We have the total research funding but the breadth of non-medical graduate education has more work to do than the undergraduate. IMHO UAB has a better chance of PBJjr going back and leading the BOT to build a on campus on Dome stadium to be funded by UAT than UAB being invited to AAU membership.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
(09-07-2016 10:05 PM)uabbean Wrote:  
(09-05-2016 07:34 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  "AAU membership is by invitation only, ...based in part on an assessment of the breadth and quality of university programs of research and graduate education, as well as undergraduate education. The association ranks its members using four criteria: research spending, the percentage of faculty who are members of the National Academies, faculty awards, and citations.

(09-06-2016 07:44 AM)UABslant Wrote:  UAB still has work to do in regards to undergraduate education when looking at AAU membership.
YOUR - YOU'RE RIGHT. We have the total research funding but the breadth of non-medical graduate education has more work to do than the undergraduate. IMHO UAB has a better chance of PBJjr going back and leading the BOT to build a on campus on Dome stadium to be funded by UAT than UAB being invited to AAU membership.

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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
LOL at all the marketz based expansion scenarios. Worked really well for CUSA, so by all means do it again.

I'm not advocating for my team, App State to move anywhere...I'm just saying.

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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
>I'm just saying

Please say it somewhere where they care about your "university."
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
(09-07-2016 10:05 PM)uabbean Wrote:  
(09-05-2016 07:34 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  "AAU membership is by invitation only, ...based in part on an assessment of the breadth and quality of university programs of research and graduate education, as well as undergraduate education. The association ranks its members using four criteria: research spending, the percentage of faculty who are members of the National Academies, faculty awards, and citations.

(09-06-2016 07:44 AM)UABslant Wrote:  UAB still has work to do in regards to undergraduate education when looking at AAU membership.
YOUR RIGHT. We have the total research funding but the breadth of non-medical graduate education has more work to do than the undergraduate. IMHO UAB has a better chance of PBJjr going back and leading the BOT to build a on campus on Dome stadium to be funded by UAT than UAB being invited to AAU membership.

They're interlocking problems. Carol Garrison tried to demand better and brought in Jean Linney to enforce her will and, well, where are they now?

Some of the non-medical grad programs are ludicrously bad (history, anyone?) and pushing for PhD-granting powers solely so they can lower the teaching load for full-time faculty. But they grow out of the general faculty weaknesses: too many half-assed hires in the past now punching the clock with no drive or ambition to be anything more. And very bitter about their lack of success, with no sense of irony about it, either.

Eventually, it will require money to fix these problems, but right now the utter lack of leadership at the top is a bigger hurdle.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
(09-08-2016 12:39 PM)58-56 Wrote:  
(09-07-2016 10:05 PM)uabbean Wrote:  
(09-05-2016 07:34 PM)Ramblin Wreck Wrote:  "AAU membership is by invitation only, ...based in part on an assessment of the breadth and quality of university programs of research and graduate education, as well as undergraduate education. The association ranks its members using four criteria: research spending, the percentage of faculty who are members of the National Academies, faculty awards, and citations.

(09-06-2016 07:44 AM)UABslant Wrote:  UAB still has work to do in regards to undergraduate education when looking at AAU membership.
YOUR RIGHT. We have the total research funding but the breadth of non-medical graduate education has more work to do than the undergraduate. IMHO UAB has a better chance of PBJjr going back and leading the BOT to build a on campus on Dome stadium to be funded by UAT than UAB being invited to AAU membership.

They're interlocking problems. Carol Garrison tried to demand better and brought in Jean Linney to enforce her will and, well, where are they now?

Some of the non-medical grad programs are ludicrously bad (history, anyone?) and pushing for PhD-granting powers solely so they can lower the teaching load for full-time faculty. But they grow out of the general faculty weaknesses: too many half-assed hires in the past now punching the clock with no drive or ambition to be anything more. And very bitter about their lack of success, with no sense of irony about it, either.

Eventually, it will require money to fix these problems, but right now the utter lack of leadership at the top is a bigger hurdle.

You are both "tilting at the same windmills" in that the nonmedical side of UAB, undergrad and grad, is almost entirely dependent upon the money supplied annually by (constantly annually increasing) student tuition / fees and the SETF which is still $500 million less for 2017 than it was a decade ago. They don't receive the generous grants that pour into the medical school side which helps it maintain its lofty reputation (so far).

In Montgomery, nonmedical UAB is just another public school to be financed through the SETF. As a result, it seems to be having the same quality of staff issues that plague the majority of the state's "bottom 100" school districts. The K-12 level is not the only one struggling to attract and keep quality faculty at minimal costs.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
(09-09-2016 11:50 AM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  In Montgomery, nonmedical UAB is just another public school to be financed through the SETF. As a result, it seems to be having the same quality of staff issues that plague the majority of the state's "bottom 100" school districts. The K-12 level is not the only one struggling to attract and keep quality faculty at minimal costs.

UAB has the 11th highest-paid president of a public university in the United States. Poor compensation is not the cause of Ray Watts' pumpkin-headed incompetence.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
Where does this come from. It has been repeated frequently but I tried to fact check it. Best I've seen is that he is the 56th highest paid president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personal...P#image=45
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(09-09-2016 02:04 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Where does this come from. It has been repeated frequently but I tried to fact check it. Best I've seen is that he is the 56th highest paid president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personal...P#image=45

Key word: public. The link you cited includes both public and private university presidents.

BTW, Moulton of South Alabama is #36 on that list. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personal...P#image=65
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In that case he is around 6th
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
(09-09-2016 02:04 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  Where does this come from. It has been repeated frequently but I tried to fact check it. Best I've seen is that he is the 56th highest paid president.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personal...P#image=45

Quote:The stat came from a Kyle Whitmire article on al.com in December of 2014. He gives no credit to the source of the fact.

"Since taking over at UAB, Watts has made a salary of $853,464, the 11th highest of university presidents in the country (for 2013)."
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014..._uabs.html

EDIT: I found the source. In May of 2014, The Chronicle of Higher Education unveiled a list of the top 256 highest paid college presidents. On that list he was indeed in the #11 slot.

Quote:Rank President School Salary Coach Salary
1. E. Gordon Gee Ohio State $6,057,615 Urban Meyer $4,608,000
2. R. Bowen Loftin Texas A&M $1,636,274 Kevin Sumlin $3,100,000
3. Hamid A. Shirvani North Dakota* $1,311,095 Kyle Schweigert $150,000
4. Renu Khator Houston $1,266,000 Tony Levine $900,000
5. Sally K. Mason Iowa $1,139,705 Kirk Ferentz $3,985,000
6. Michael A. McRobbie Indiana $1,111,924 Kevin Wilson $1,291,220
7. Michael F. Adams Georgia $1,074,869 Mark Richt $3,314,000
8. V. Gordon Moulton South Alabama $1,072,121 Joey Jones $384,450
9. Mary Sue Coleman Michigan $1,037,357 Brady Hoke $4,154,000
10. Mark G. Yudof California* $857,085 Sonny Dykes $2,394,000
11. Ray L. Watts UAB $853,464 Garrick McGee $550,000
12. Charles W. Steger Virginia Tech $836,886 Frank Beamer $2,541,616
13. Francisco G. Cigarroa Texas* $815,833 Mack Brown $5,392,500
14. John C. Hitt Central Florida $795,819 George O’Leary $1,534,728
15. David E. Daniel UT-Dallas $792,265 N/A N/A
16. James P. Clements West Virginia $790,030 Dana Holgorsen $2,630,000
17. G.P. (Bud) Peterson Georgia Tech $777,841 Paul Johnson $2,515,000
18. John M. Dunn Western Michigan $776,062 P.J. Fleck $392,500
19. Michael K. Young Washington $770,000 Steve Sarkisian $2,575,000
20. Patrick T. Harker Delaware $767,285 Dave Brock $300,000 (est.)
21. Michael Rao Virginia Commonwealth $736,824 N/A N/A
22. Jay Gogue Auburn $733,850 Gus Malzahn $2,440,000
23. Bill Powers Texas $731,638 Mack Brown $5,392,500
24. Teresa A. Sullivan Virginia $731,537 Mike London $2,189,703
25. Robert E. Witt Alabama* $725,000 Nick Saban $5,545,852

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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
I want my money back.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
How in the world does the North Dakota president make so much? Their football is nothing.
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RE: Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching.
(09-10-2016 09:54 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  How in the world does the North Dakota president make so much? Their football is nothing.

Football doesn't drive the bus in North Dakota.
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Seems like the guy responsible for snow removal would be the highest paid person on campus then.
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