(01-07-2016 11:10 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like the WCC adding Seattle and either AFA or denver to get to 12. They add pacific so its not all religious school's.

Denver they might go for, but Gonzaga is blocking Seattle from joining. There are some interests from WCC schools to go after Grand Canyon U. GCU needs to change to non-profit first which they are thinking of doing.

Would the WCC interested in N.W. Nazarene in Idaho from D2 ranks? They are in Nampa, but they also have a campus in Boise and another in Idaho Falls.

(01-07-2016 05:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 09:50 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Best/most likely additions to the Big 12:

Arkansas Tech
Arkansas Baptist
Black River Tech
Central Baptist
North Arkansas
Pulaski Tech
Southeast Arkansas
Southern Arkansas
Southern Arkansas Tech

Any 2 of these, although many more options in Arkansas in addition to the ones listed.

Seriously?

Any list without Ouachita Baptist is a joke. Just shows how uninformed you are about Arkansas Politics, the backroom deals of the Big 12, and the attributes important to conferences. The Arkadelphia market is woefully underserved. I would think that both Arkadelphia schools (OBU and Henderson State) would be great pair and their bitter rivalry would attract ESPN Game Day yearly.

Did Arkansas Pine Bluff change its name to ^^^ one of the above or close down? Every major basketball program in the country has several W's over those fellas..cheers!

(01-07-2016 05:00 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  If/when Gonzaga declines, someone else will pick up the slack. Saint Mary's could end up as the top dogs. Pepperdine had a good run in the 80s and 90s, maybe they return to prominence.

You might as well have brought up San Francisco, they have more history than anyone else in the WCC. It's no guarantee. SMC, especially with Randy Bennett and his reliance on Australians, and Gonzaga, which was nothing but John Stockton's alma mater before the current coaching tree, could both disappear and then what? The WCC may go back to placing teams in the Tournament seeded from 14-16.

BYU has had good basketball teams for a while. If/when Gonzaga and SMU decline, that just makes it all the easier for BYU to get the autobid every year. They could get the WCC Tournament in SLC, too.

(01-08-2016 04:55 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 05:00 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  If/when Gonzaga declines, someone else will pick up the slack. Saint Mary's could end up as the top dogs. Pepperdine had a good run in the 80s and 90s, maybe they return to prominence.

You might as well have brought up San Francisco, they have more history than anyone else in the WCC. It's no guarantee. SMC, especially with Randy Bennett and his reliance on Australians, and Gonzaga, which was nothing but John Stockton's alma mater before the current coaching tree, could both disappear and then what? the WCC may go back to placing teams in the Tournament seeded from 14-16.

You could just as easily say the same about any conference currently averaging 2-3 bids/year. Of course a conference like that can only keep it up if someone else steps up when one of their regular tournament teams fades.

Re Saint Mary's: I was surprised how many Aussies they have. I looked it up when Cal played them a few weeks ago -- they have 6 on their current roster, including 2 starters.

(01-08-2016 12:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 04:55 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 05:00 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  If/when Gonzaga declines, someone else will pick up the slack. Saint Mary's could end up as the top dogs. Pepperdine had a good run in the 80s and 90s, maybe they return to prominence.

You might as well have brought up San Francisco, they have more history than anyone else in the WCC. It's no guarantee. SMC, especially with Randy Bennett and his reliance on Australians, and Gonzaga, which was nothing but John Stockton's alma mater before the current coaching tree, could both disappear and then what? the WCC may go back to placing teams in the Tournament seeded from 14-16.

You could just as easily say the same about any conference currently averaging 2-3 bids/year. Of course a conference like that can only keep it up if someone else steps up when one of their regular tournament teams fades.

Re Saint Mary's: I was surprised how many Aussies they have. I looked it up when Cal played them a few weeks ago -- they have 6 on their current roster, including 2 starters.

At least I can see Aussie's being in California schools. The question I have is how does LSU get them to Baton Rouge?

(01-08-2016 06:59 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 12:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 04:55 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 05:00 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  If/when Gonzaga declines, someone else will pick up the slack. Saint Mary's could end up as the top dogs. Pepperdine had a good run in the 80s and 90s, maybe they return to prominence.

You might as well have brought up San Francisco, they have more history than anyone else in the WCC. It's no guarantee. SMC, especially with Randy Bennett and his reliance on Australians, and Gonzaga, which was nothing but John Stockton's alma mater before the current coaching tree, could both disappear and then what? the WCC may go back to placing teams in the Tournament seeded from 14-16.

You could just as easily say the same about any conference currently averaging 2-3 bids/year. Of course a conference like that can only keep it up if someone else steps up when one of their regular tournament teams fades.

Re Saint Mary's: I was surprised how many Aussies they have. I looked it up when Cal played them a few weeks ago -- they have 6 on their current roster, including 2 starters.

At least I can see Aussie's being in California schools. The question I have is how does LSU get them to Baton Rouge?

Well if you are stuck on a plane for a day to get to the California schools what are a few more hours to get to Louisiana? Heck anywhere else. It isn't like there is a huge jump in cost or time at that point. The biggest costs are getting to the US from that far away.

(01-08-2016 12:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You could just as easily say the same about any conference currently averaging 2-3 bids/year. Of course a conference like that can only keep it up if someone else steps up when one of their regular tournament teams fades.

Re Saint Mary's: I was surprised how many Aussies they have. I looked it up when Cal played them a few weeks ago -- they have 6 on their current roster, including 2 starters.

The difference here is that the WCC is not a historically solid conference. Currently, it's a poor man's Atlantic-10 and a rich man's NEC. It has a very romantic history, from Loyola Marymount to San Francisco, to Gonzaga to St. Mary's to Steve Nash to Patty Mills, to Hank Gathers and Bill Russell.

But if you analyze things, it really shouldn't be a multi-bid league, especially before BYU.

I remember that Loyola Marymount had a run in the men's basketball tournament.

(01-08-2016 10:52 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 12:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  You could just as easily say the same about any conference currently averaging 2-3 bids/year. Of course a conference like that can only keep it up if someone else steps up when one of their regular tournament teams fades.

Re Saint Mary's: I was surprised how many Aussies they have. I looked it up when Cal played them a few weeks ago -- they have 6 on their current roster, including 2 starters.

The difference here is that the WCC is not a historically solid conference. Currently, it's a poor man's Atlantic-10 and a rich man's NEC. It has a very romantic history, from Loyola Marymount to San Francisco, to Gonzaga to St. Mary's to Steve Nash to Patty Mills, to Hank Gathers and Bill Russell.

But if you analyze things, it really shouldn't be a multi-bid league, especially before BYU.

So then, BYU wins the WCC bid every year, with the conf tournament in SLC. Why wouldn't they want that?

Would BYU go back to MWC, could they have the sway to have Gonzaga to join MWC? This could mean that Gonzaga may have to restart their football program. This would upgrade Gonzaga's basketball to a better conference, and could open a slot up for Seattle to join the WCC.