(07-13-2015 11:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  until we increase our stadium capacity over 30 thousand, I can understand why ECU would be hesitant to come to Boone. Happy that we were able talk both Wake and Marshall to make it up the mountain, but, ECU is in a different league, attendance wise, they average over 44 thousand, both Marshall and Wake less than 35. They also have had more success over the years, always seem to be in the top 30, year in, year out, cant really say that for both Marshall and Wake

ECU has not finished a season ranked since 1995 when they finished #23 in Coaches Poll. Only 1 time in the HISTORY of their program have they finished the season ranked in both polls. That was back in 1991 when they finished #9 in both polls.


Since moving to D1 in 1997. Marshall has finished ranked in 1 of the polls a total of 4 times. Also been ranked in both polls 3 of those years.

In 1999 we finished #10 in the nation in both polls.

So your perception of ECU's actual football program is very skewed and incorrect.

Marshall is the team that is historically ranked better than ECU.

(07-13-2015 09:35 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:31 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:22 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:19 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Well in that case, I'd be cool with a neutral game only, but I'd be pretty upset if you guys got a game in Greenville and we got ours in Charlotte. I like and respect ECU's program a lot, but not enough to be big timed like they're a State or UNC.

Like we're a State or UNC? You mean the two teams we have sodomized in our past four games, including laying 70 on UNC last year, taking over NCSU's stadium, and averaging similar attendance.

Of course you've been better than them as of late, but we both know perception is everything. They'll always be bigger names in the state and across the country. You should know what I'm talking about, they big timed you guys for years until you went to state legislature.

That is a myth. The state did nothing in regards to us playing. We just kept pushing and winning games and expanding stadiums.

Your in a conference with Tulane and Temple APP ST may be new to FBS but their not beneath AAC schools. I live in Myrtle Beach and both ECU and APP Have great fan bases . I see more bumper stickers and gear from either of them than I do Wake or NC ST .Say Coastal ended up in the SBC Ten thousand APP fans would probably already be in town.

I understand ECU's position. They have a 50K stadium in which they averaged around 47K over the last 5 years. App has a 24K stadium (with portable end zone bleachers) and averaged around 25K over the last 5 years. ECU has a $39 million budget, App's is around $20 million. They have been a 1A / FBS member for 35 years and play in high profile league just a tick below the P5. App is beginning it's first actual year in FBS. Yes, App has shown the ability to draw big numbers against low profile opposition, but as of late attendance has wained from the euphoria of the Edwards era and Michigan win. This will be the best home schedule in ASU Football history. It is time App fans to prove they were not a one trick pony and get back to filling up KBS on a weekly basis. There is nothing I'd rather see than ECU playing in Boone and I was there the last time it happened in 1979. An App / ECU game in Boone could easily draw 40K. In order for it to happen we must have a stadium that SEATS, not counting a bunch of people sitting on a bank, a minimum of 33-35K to pull this off. In all honesty, to be a legit FBS program we SHOULD have a stadium with 30+ permanent seats. I am hopeful our new AD has a plan to expand KBS in his back pocket that will coincide with the asnnouncement of a ECU H&H.

(07-13-2015 10:02 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:57 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Gotta give it to him he is adapt at ignoring facts that are detrimental to his argument and statements.

Adept*

Took the bait, so you are reading my posts. First sign you're losing a message board debate you ignore the facts and attack grammer*.

(07-14-2015 07:50 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  I understand ECU's position. They have a 50K stadium in which they averaged around 47K over the last 5 years. App has a 24K stadium (with portable end zone bleachers) and averaged around 25K over the last 5 years. ECU has a $39 million budget, App's is around $20 million. They have been a 1A / FBS member for 35 years and play in high profile league just a tick below the P5. App is beginning it's first actual year in FBS. Yes, App has shown the ability to draw big numbers against low profile opposition, but as of late attendance has wained from the euphoria of the Edwards era and Michigan win. This will be the best home schedule in ASU Football history. It is time App fans to prove they were not a one trick pony and get back to filling up KBS on a weekly basis. There is nothing I'd rather see than ECU playing in Boone and I was there the last time it happened in 1979. An App / ECU game in Boone could easily draw 40K. In order for it to happen we must have a stadium that SEATS, not counting a bunch of people sitting on a bank, a minimum of 33-35K to pull this off. In all honesty, to be a legit FBS program we SHOULD have a stadium with 30+ permanent seats. I am hopeful our new AD has a plan to expand KBS in his back pocket that will coincide with the asnnouncement of a ECU H&H.

That's all well and good but that doesn't hold water based upon their history.

They whined and complained UNCCH and NCSU wouldn't play them for years (with that fact pattern in your post or worse) and now they are "too good" to play a home and home vs. an in-state G5 program. Hypocrites.

(07-14-2015 07:50 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  I understand ECU's position. They have a 50K stadium in which they averaged around 47K over the last 5 years. App has a 24K stadium (with portable end zone bleachers) and averaged around 25K over the last 5 years. ECU has a $39 million budget, App's is around $20 million. They have been a 1A / FBS member for 35 years and play in high profile league just a tick below the P5. App is beginning it's first actual year in FBS. Yes, App has shown the ability to draw big numbers against low profile opposition, but as of late attendance has wained from the euphoria of the Edwards era and Michigan win. This will be the best home schedule in ASU Football history. It is time App fans to prove they were not a one trick pony and get back to filling up KBS on a weekly basis. There is nothing I'd rather see than ECU playing in Boone and I was there the last time it happened in 1979. An App / ECU game in Boone could easily draw 40K. In order for it to happen we must have a stadium that SEATS, not counting a bunch of people sitting on a bank, a minimum of 33-35K to pull this off. In all honesty, to be a legit FBS program we SHOULD have a stadium with 30+ permanent seats. I am hopeful our new AD has a plan to expand KBS in his back pocket that will coincide with the asnnouncement of a ECU H&H.

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(07-14-2015 07:50 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  I understand ECU's position. They have a 50K stadium in which they averaged around 47K over the last 5 years. App has a 24K stadium (with portable end zone bleachers) and averaged around 25K over the last 5 years. ECU has a $39 million budget, App's is around $20 million. They have been a 1A / FBS member for 35 years and play in high profile league just a tick below the P5. App is beginning it's first actual year in FBS. Yes, App has shown the ability to draw big numbers against low profile opposition, but as of late attendance has wained from the euphoria of the Edwards era and Michigan win. This will be the best home schedule in ASU Football history. It is time App fans to prove they were not a one trick pony and get back to filling up KBS on a weekly basis. There is nothing I'd rather see than ECU playing in Boone and I was there the last time it happened in 1979. An App / ECU game in Boone could easily draw 40K. In order for it to happen we must have a stadium that SEATS, not counting a bunch of people sitting on a bank, a minimum of 33-35K to pull this off. In all honesty, to be a legit FBS program we SHOULD have a stadium with 30+ permanent seats. I am hopeful our new AD has a plan to expand KBS in his back pocket that will coincide with the asnnouncement of a ECU H&H.

While I agree we need more seats to get teams like ECU that travel well to come to Boone I completely disagree with NBPirate that we need to average 40K people before we are worthy for them to show up. As the showed in my previous post nobody in the AAC does that besides them. If we get capacity up to 35k, and then average over 30K a game I think we will be able to get those games.

I have a feeling we are already telling teams like Marshall and Wake that we''ll have 30k plus seats by the time they show up. I just don't see either team committing to play in Boone with less than that.

Actually, I don't want ECU to come to Boone. We won't be able to get rid of the stench for weeks.

(07-13-2015 09:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:09 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:07 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:04 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 08:58 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  As long as it's not in place of our home game in a home and home series, I'm definitely into it.

Home and home is a no go according to our AD

Link?

We heard that from Marshall fans just a month ago.

Question was posed to our AD at a recent DC Pirate Club event. We aren't Marshall.

Are you sure you aren't a UNCCH or NCSU? Sounds like a home and home vs. App is beneath you, you know just how they treated you for years.

We draw 45k+ fans and in some years with in 3 to 5k of them and beat the crap out of them. We aren't App State drawing half that either and that's what decides if you leave your stadium how much you can make there pay other team to come there or get from other teams and you aren't in our league.

(07-14-2015 07:50 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  I understand ECU's position. They have a 50K stadium in which they averaged around 47K over the last 5 years. App has a 24K stadium (with portable end zone bleachers) and averaged around 25K over the last 5 years. ECU has a $39 million budget, App's is around $20 million. They have been a 1A / FBS member for 35 years and play in high profile league just a tick below the P5. App is beginning it's first actual year in FBS. Yes, App has shown the ability to draw big numbers against low profile opposition, but as of late attendance has wained from the euphoria of the Edwards era and Michigan win. This will be the best home schedule in ASU Football history. It is time App fans to prove they were not a one trick pony and get back to filling up KBS on a weekly basis. There is nothing I'd rather see than ECU playing in Boone and I was there the last time it happened in 1979. An App / ECU game in Boone could easily draw 40K. In order for it to happen we must have a stadium that SEATS, not counting a bunch of people sitting on a bank, a minimum of 33-35K to pull this off. In all honesty, to be a legit FBS program we SHOULD have a stadium with 30+ permanent seats. I am hopeful our new AD has a plan to expand KBS in his back pocket that will coincide with the asnnouncement of a ECU H&H.

Agree wholeheartedly with this AppMan, great post, something I've been thinking for a while now. We've got to expand that stadium to at least 35k permanent seats and our fanbase has to prove we can fill the stadium, at least, up to 30k very consistently with our new Sun Belt schedule and improving OOC scheduling to show we've arrived at the next level.

(07-13-2015 10:45 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 10:12 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 10:09 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 10:06 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Were not going to compare ECU and Apps FBS histories because that would be a fool's errand. When App averages 40k a game, I'll be all for a H&H.

So I'm assuming you're not all for your home and home with Marshall?

Hell no. If not for a tragic plane crash, we wouldn't ever speak to them. It's to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the crash.

I wouldn't either after the ass beating we put on you guys the last time you came to Huntington.

59-28 with the East Division on the line.....oh, and ECU got a cheap 8 points towards the end of the game. We had our JV in but they were still playing their starters.

ECU fans are the biggest joke in all of G5.

Yet something got us into the AAC and you left behind didn't it? Hmm what could it be, ask yourself that when we are the only rural school with no market that didn't get stuck in CUSA mud. Certainly wasn't our basketball program or market.


List of schools we look like on a game day and have outdraw the last 3 years many by as much as 5 or 10k some years

Arizona
Colorado
Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Maryland
Minnesota
Utah
Virginia

TCU
Miami
Baylor
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Stanford
Syracuse
Boston College
Duke
Georgia Tech
Kansas State
Louisville

Plenty of others too. You could actually confuse us for any number of mid level P5's on a game day and we actually get them to our stadium and beat them at a higher rate than any G5. We've beat more P5 competiton than anyone pretty much as far as you want to go back the last 30 years, 10, 20, whatever. We don't look like your typical 25k drawing CUSA/top of FCS that's for sure.

We had a 35k seat stadium and drew as much as you guys almost 40 years ago.

(07-13-2015 09:52 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:47 PM)App10 Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:44 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 09:41 PM)App10 Wrote:  There really is no talking to most of the ECU fan base. Spending 19 of my 23 years in Greenville has taught me one thing: Pirate fans have a very diluted view of their program and down right delusional. For years they were lobbying ACC/Big East. Finally they get into the Big East which actually turned to AAC aka CUSA 2.0. They see that their renovated stadium holds 50k and believe it gets filled week in and week out but then I'll be sitting with family in Pirate Club and I hear so many complaints about how the stadium isn't even close to capacity. The pirate nation is a very delusional bunch but regardless of if we get a true home and home with them I have no doubts we will take a game if not both. Their crutch is beating UNC and VT and NCSU but they don't look at he fact that each of those programs had historically down years for their programs in those years. Their inferiority complex is somewhat understandable though. The sad part about their angriness is the deed is already done their just finalizing dates at this point

You mean the UNC and Va Tech teams were historically down yet still went to bowl games last year? And that NC State team we beat that had Russell Wilson was historically down?

They were 7-6 and 6-7 champ, so yes I'd say so. State wasn't anything special at that point in time either. Valiant effort though

You said historically bad, so I'd say no. Each has been much worse. And NC State finished 2010 (the season I mentioned) ranked. So, nice try to you champ.

NC State with Russell Wilson finished in the top 25 that year we beat them just as the Tulsa team we beat did too.

These guys don't understand just how rare it is to beat ANY P5 team that make it to bowls and we've beat 3 in the last 2 years. I think there were only like 6 others total or something crazy like that from the entire G5 over bowl P5 teams. Feel free to look it up but it's not many.

You could add up all our wins from the last 10 years and this entire conference probably couldn't muster 10 BCS wins including multiple ones like West Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State that finished in the top 25, multiple others that were ranked at the time that went to bowls, and even multiple others outside the P5 like that were ranked like Boise State in a bowl, Houston in a conference championship etc. Our records aren't fluff because we play a tougher schedules than any G5 by a miles and our support is unmatched by miles. Most of these other top G5's have beat half or less the to P5 competition we do.

Which one of you ECU fans is this?

You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

I remember a number of you and Marshall's fans hating on all things App State when the last major batch of realignment was going on. At that moment CUSA was too good, both teams were too good to play us, and we were looked at in disdain by both similarly in which UNC CHeat and NCSU look at the Pirates.

I say a number, because both programs have fans who understand the history our three programs share and the landscape that G5 football is. Those fans were the few who saw App State for what it is, was, and also what direction it is heading. We got a SBC invite and for the most part are very happy to be here, I like ECU, my brother attended there and I have family alumni all across NC. However, you boys aren't on some high horse living the football country club life like a Alabama or Oklahoma. Step back down, and welcome reality back into your lives, at least that way should you get beat by a App State type team y'all don't self destruct.

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

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Grease your backsides Pirates....Marshall just recently felt it.

(07-13-2015 10:06 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Were not going to compare ECU and Apps FBS histories because that would be a fool's errand. When App averages 40k a game, I'll be all for a H&H.

This is why I believe an ECU-App game in Boone is likely a ways down the road. We got to do some additions at Kidd Brewer. Temporary bleachers wont cut it forever.

(07-14-2015 10:22 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

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Grease your backsides Pirates....Marshall just recently felt it.

And I thought is was only the goats that had to worry.....

(07-14-2015 10:25 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:22 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

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Grease your backsides Pirates....Marshall just recently felt it.

And I thought is was only the goats that had to worry.....

I'm glad someone caught the reference, however we service all types.

(07-14-2015 10:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You would think a school that applied to the Big East 17 times and got denied 17 times and then upon the 18th time caused a mass exodus of over half the higher profile schools to leave and change the name of the conference would be a little more humble.

I'm going to say we announce a home and home with ECU by the end of the 2016 football season.

2014 App State
24,050k actual seat stadium
23,166 attendance

2014 Marshall
38,227 seat stadium
27,461 attendance

1978 ECU
35k seat stadium
25,223 attendance

Maybe you should be humble and know you place on the pecking order and just how many decades you are behind us.

Something got us into the top tier G5 conference on the east coast and it wasn't our basketball or market. Something got our name on ESPN article yesterday as Big 12 expansion material, and that's with the same small market and issues you guys face You couldn't even get in to CUSA with ECU trying to get you in when we were still there. Whatever we did and built clearly worked so knock it all you want but we actually built a brick and motar program fan by fan that overcame our warts unlike you guys.