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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-19-2019 05:29 PM)82hawk Wrote: (04-19-2019 05:16 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (04-19-2019 03:59 PM)82hawk Wrote: (04-19-2019 03:44 PM)Gary Miller Wrote: It’s honestly quite laughable the concerns coming from not getting a recruit. It’s a big reach to think a recruit is going to randomly reach out to someone that transferred out of the program unless they knew them previously. Gotta love the yearly late signing period “concerns”... it’s one recruit guys, there’s not a staff in college basketball that gets everyone they offer.
If you don't think recruits would reach out to players who transferred out of a program to find out why, you're kidding yourself. It's one click on a phone that they use to communicate with on social media every day of their life. The athlete in my family contacts players at other high schools all the time about "stuff" she hears about their program/coaches/players. They build relationships purely online. Not to mention, parents. You don't think they'd reach out to other parents or the students? C'mon.
Quick search on google/facebook/instagram to find a player or parent.
"Hey, my kid is being recruited my UNCW to play basketaball. I noticed your son requested a transfer. Do you mind if I ask why?" Naw, can't see that happening...![07-coffee3 07-coffee3](images/smilies/07-coffee3.gif)
Sure it's a possibility.
We lost ONE recruit to the Coastal. That's clearly evidence our coach who was a proven recruiter thus far has clearly lost that edge too. Time to throw in the towel and just fear the worst.
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You took a bigger leap than me, lol. I didn't say anything like that. We are recruiting in tough circumstances. He may be a great recruiter, but the wind is against him with a really bad two year record and 5 players transferring out last year.
Simple question, would YOU do research on a school recruiting you? And when you or your parents discovered 5 players transferred out, would you reach out to them on social media to find out what happened? I absolutley would. And as a parent, I know I would. Any coach would have a hard time recruiting under those circumstances, so this isn't a knock on his ability just stating the facts. I suppose you don't think these facts would have any affect on a decision by a recruit? Not to mention, do you think coaches recruting against UNCW don't bring up our record and transfers? Again, c'mon. It's the reason getting off to a great start is so important.
And once again, they also check the fan boards. That has just as much bearing as seeing players who were someone else's recruits and don't really fit the system. Only one of CB's recruits has left. And, from what I've been told, that was for financial reasons.
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-19-2019 06:07 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote: (04-19-2019 05:29 PM)82hawk Wrote: (04-19-2019 05:16 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: (04-19-2019 03:59 PM)82hawk Wrote: (04-19-2019 03:44 PM)Gary Miller Wrote: It’s honestly quite laughable the concerns coming from not getting a recruit. It’s a big reach to think a recruit is going to randomly reach out to someone that transferred out of the program unless they knew them previously. Gotta love the yearly late signing period “concerns”... it’s one recruit guys, there’s not a staff in college basketball that gets everyone they offer.
If you don't think recruits would reach out to players who transferred out of a program to find out why, you're kidding yourself. It's one click on a phone that they use to communicate with on social media every day of their life. The athlete in my family contacts players at other high schools all the time about "stuff" she hears about their program/coaches/players. They build relationships purely online. Not to mention, parents. You don't think they'd reach out to other parents or the students? C'mon.
Quick search on google/facebook/instagram to find a player or parent.
"Hey, my kid is being recruited my UNCW to play basketaball. I noticed your son requested a transfer. Do you mind if I ask why?" Naw, can't see that happening...![07-coffee3 07-coffee3](images/smilies/07-coffee3.gif)
Sure it's a possibility.
We lost ONE recruit to the Coastal. That's clearly evidence our coach who was a proven recruiter thus far has clearly lost that edge too. Time to throw in the towel and just fear the worst.
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You took a bigger leap than me, lol. I didn't say anything like that. We are recruiting in tough circumstances. He may be a great recruiter, but the wind is against him with a really bad two year record and 5 players transferring out last year.
Simple question, would YOU do research on a school recruiting you? And when you or your parents discovered 5 players transferred out, would you reach out to them on social media to find out what happened? I absolutley would. And as a parent, I know I would. Any coach would have a hard time recruiting under those circumstances, so this isn't a knock on his ability just stating the facts. I suppose you don't think these facts would have any affect on a decision by a recruit? Not to mention, do you think coaches recruting against UNCW don't bring up our record and transfers? Again, c'mon. It's the reason getting off to a great start is so important.
And once again, they also check the fan boards. That has just as much bearing as seeing players who were someone else's recruits and don't really fit the system. Only one of CB's recruits has left. And, from what I've been told, that was for financial reasons.
Gary? I thought that was because he wanted to be used as more than a spot shooter, but McGrath thought otherwise?
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-19-2019 03:44 PM)Gary Miller Wrote: It’s honestly quite laughable the concerns coming from not getting a recruit. It’s a big reach to think a recruit is going to randomly reach out to someone that transferred out of the program unless they knew them previously. Gotta love the yearly late signing period “concerns”... it’s one recruit guys, there’s not a staff in college basketball that gets everyone they offer.
What do you think of Kennedy Koehler? We really need to add another JUCO or Grad transfer big man to go along with Linssen, Dodd, and Boggs.
Also 100% agree with you that you only need at most 9 or 10 solid players. Teams don't go 12 or 13 deep on any good team. Heck a lot only play 7 towards the end of the season. The other non rotation guys usually decide to transfer out to get more playing time. I believe Keatts said "guys want to play right away" or something like that after Mark Matthews decided to transfer.
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-19-2019 06:32 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote: (04-19-2019 03:44 PM)Gary Miller Wrote: It’s honestly quite laughable the concerns coming from not getting a recruit. It’s a big reach to think a recruit is going to randomly reach out to someone that transferred out of the program unless they knew them previously. Gotta love the yearly late signing period “concerns”... it’s one recruit guys, there’s not a staff in college basketball that gets everyone they offer.
What do you think of Kennedy Koehler? We really need to add another JUCO or Grad transfer big man to go along with Linssen, Dodd, and Boggs.
Also 100% agree with you that you only need at most 9 or 10 solid players. Teams don't go 12 or 13 deep on any good team. Heck a lot only play 7 towards the end of the season. The other non rotation guys usually decide to transfer out to get more playing time. I believe Keatts said "guys want to play right away" or something like that after Mark Matthews decided to transfer.
You guys have a point on depth in games. But competition to get in the rotation is a must. Otherwise you are just handing a kid minutes from Day 1. I imagine that will be the case regardless down low next year.
Also Mark Matthews...I didn't even remember that kid and googled him. What was Keatts thinking. His highlight video I saw looked like some highlights I used to see on Saturday at the rec center. No way he is 6'5''. Maybe 6'2''.
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RE: Recruit Updates
I believe that MM was tall enough but was a guy that was more of a shooter off the catch kind of guy that wasn't going to beat you off the dribble to finish and defend/rebound at a competitive level. Gary was definitely a catch and shoot guy at this level-not a bad defender but not good either. If he was a drop dead guy north of say 36%, he would have stuck because you can live with the other. Elmore (Keatts) was hurt and when he played was more of a stretch 4 guy that wasn't a factor down low on either end. Taylor (Keatts) is a shooter period and when he's not hitting, it's a problem because he wasn't seeing the floor and defense was spotty. Fornes( Keatts) had one on one break down ability plus could shoot but couldn't put it all together consistently on the offensive end and was beaten defensively often. Cylla had promise offensively but loved the perimeter too much with a low percentage and wasn't a defensive factor at this level.
Getting to now. Well, the guys that they have are good, but they need some players. Toews, Gadsden, Estime, Sims and Linssen is a good starting point when you go small. I don't see the ball sticking that much with that group and you have 3 guys on the perimeter (4 next year with Kai-shot presentation is excellent) that you have to account for that will space the floor. I'm very high on Sims because that kid is very solid period and we all know about Kai, Ty and Estime with what they can do. I think that Boggs will be very good as a bigger guy that can drive it and Dodd will definitely play immediately. The only need is to have a guy that can get his shot off the bounce besides Kai. Guys have to put in work in that regard or recruit it. That is something that is vital to have and is overlooked by many.
The front court is shallow right now and they need another guy. Both recruits are good, but are young and only one of them can man the 5, if need be. They need another WF as well and a PG/SG combo that is athletic that can drive it and defend. In short, they need at least 1-2 more bigs, a WF and at least one combo at a minimum. We shall see what happens. If they only have 10 ships going, they can give 1 to Brown to be the backup PG. He's pretty dog gone good and quick....I like him. They need to get things going soon...
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-19-2019 10:36 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: I believe that MM was tall enough but was a guy that was more of a shooter off the catch kind of guy that wasn't going to beat you off the dribble to finish and defend/rebound at a competitive level. Gary was definitely a catch and shoot guy at this level-not a bad defender but not good either. If he was a drop dead guy north of say 36%, he would have stuck because you can live with the other. Elmore (Keatts) was hurt and when he played was more of a stretch 4 guy that wasn't a factor down low on either end. Taylor (Keatts) is a shooter period and when he's not hitting, it's a problem because he wasn't seeing the floor and defense was spotty. Fornes( Keatts) had one on one break down ability plus could shoot but couldn't put it all together consistently on the offensive end and was beaten defensively often. Cylla had promise offensively but loved the perimeter too much with a low percentage and wasn't a defensive factor at this level.
Getting to now. Well, the guys that they have are good, but they need some players. Toews, Gadsden, Estime, Sims and Linssen is a good starting point when you go small. I don't see the ball sticking that much with that group and you have 3 guys on the perimeter (4 next year with Kai-shot presentation is excellent) that you have to account for that will space the floor. I'm very high on Sims because that kid is very solid period and we all know about Kai, Ty and Estime with what they can do. I think that Boggs will be very good as a bigger guy that can drive it and Dodd will definitely play immediately. The only need is to have a guy that can get his shot off the bounce besides Kai. Guys have to put in work in that regard or recruit it. That is something that is vital to have and is overlooked by many.
The front court is shallow right now and they need another guy. Both recruits are good, but are young and only one of them can man the 5, if need be. They need another WF as well and a PG/SG combo that is athletic that can drive it and defend. In short, they need at least 1-2 more bigs, a WF and at least one combo at a minimum. We shall see what happens. If they only have 10 ships going, they can give 1 to Brown to be the backup PG. He's pretty dog gone good and quick....I like him. They need to get things going soon...
This forecast/analysis is spot on. I couldn't have written it better myself and almost no points of contention in terms of players past and and those returning, as far as skill sets. Sims will be much better because he puts time in on his game and is hungry. Toews will shoot better with a summer playing with the National Team and increased confidence in his role as a leader seems probable. I smell chemistry. Good chemistry can pull you through short bouts of confidence loss as well as learning curves but if the ship is not built to sail the entire voyage then it won't be enough. The roster was good this past season as everyone had noted and it will be improved next. Guaranteed. The system and coaching are the keys. No excuses. Pivotal year for UNCW Basketball.
On a different note this is a VALPO guy that the team has been pursuing lately: http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketbal...e-sorolla/
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RE: Recruit Updates
Is he a grad xfer Hawking? A player like that would be perfect!
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-20-2019 10:29 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: Is he a grad xfer Hawking? A player like that would be perfect!
He is.
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RE: Recruit Updates
Cylla to Arkansas. Best of luck Jeantal!
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-19-2019 10:36 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: If they only have 10 ships going, they can give 1 to Brown to be the backup PG. He's pretty dog gone good and quick....I like him. They need to get things going soon...
Brown has transferred to Oklahoma Baptist as a graduate transfer.
https://twitter.com/OBU_MBBall
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-24-2019 04:09 AM)70shawk Wrote: (04-19-2019 10:36 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: If they only have 10 ships going, they can give 1 to Brown to be the backup PG. He's pretty dog gone good and quick....I like him. They need to get things going soon...
Brown has transferred to Oklahoma Baptist as a graduate transfer.
https://twitter.com/OBU_MBBall
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-24-2019 07:14 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (04-24-2019 04:09 AM)70shawk Wrote: (04-19-2019 10:36 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: If they only have 10 ships going, they can give 1 to Brown to be the backup PG. He's pretty dog gone good and quick....I like him. They need to get things going soon...
Brown has transferred to Oklahoma Baptist as a graduate transfer.
https://twitter.com/OBU_MBBall
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Seems like a rather neutral "hit". He was barely seeing the floor and that wasn't going to improve. Let's face it. He went DII and so did Elmore. That's a pretty good indicator as to where they would stack up against an upper tier CAA program.
Now some of the others are a little more concerning. Just trying to stay objective on this one.
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-19-2019 06:32 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote: (04-19-2019 03:44 PM)Gary Miller Wrote: It’s honestly quite laughable the concerns coming from not getting a recruit. It’s a big reach to think a recruit is going to randomly reach out to someone that transferred out of the program unless they knew them previously. Gotta love the yearly late signing period “concerns”... it’s one recruit guys, there’s not a staff in college basketball that gets everyone they offer.
What do you think of Kennedy Koehler? We really need to add another JUCO or Grad transfer big man to go along with Linssen, Dodd, and Boggs.
Also 100% agree with you that you only need at most 9 or 10 solid players. Teams don't go 12 or 13 deep on any good team. Heck a lot only play 7 towards the end of the season. The other non rotation guys usually decide to transfer out to get more playing time. I believe Keatts said "guys want to play right away" or something like that after Mark Matthews decided to transfer.
I like Kennedy Koehler's game a lot. Big, strong, rebounds well, and can also stretch the floor. He'd be able to start right away if needed. Koehler would be a really good get for this staff.
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-24-2019 08:12 AM)getmhawks Wrote: (04-24-2019 07:14 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (04-24-2019 04:09 AM)70shawk Wrote: (04-19-2019 10:36 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: If they only have 10 ships going, they can give 1 to Brown to be the backup PG. He's pretty dog gone good and quick....I like him. They need to get things going soon...
Brown has transferred to Oklahoma Baptist as a graduate transfer.
https://twitter.com/OBU_MBBall
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Seems like a rather neutral "hit". He was barely seeing the floor and that wasn't going to improve. Let's face it. He went DII and so did Elmore. That's a pretty good indicator as to where they would stack up against an upper tier CAA program.
Now some of the others are a little more concerning. Just trying to stay objective on this one.
He was hurt last year. He DEFINITELY would have seen the floor had he stayed next year.
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RE: Recruit Updates
So the signing period started last week and continues through May 15. After May 2, all in-person contact must happen on the college campus. We have about a week left of off-campus evaluation. Seems a bit concerning that we haven't heard hardly a peep.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/eligibi...lendar.pdf
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-24-2019 08:43 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (04-24-2019 08:12 AM)getmhawks Wrote: (04-24-2019 07:14 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (04-24-2019 04:09 AM)70shawk Wrote: (04-19-2019 10:36 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote: If they only have 10 ships going, they can give 1 to Brown to be the backup PG. He's pretty dog gone good and quick....I like him. They need to get things going soon...
Brown has transferred to Oklahoma Baptist as a graduate transfer.
https://twitter.com/OBU_MBBall
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Seems like a rather neutral "hit". He was barely seeing the floor and that wasn't going to improve. Let's face it. He went DII and so did Elmore. That's a pretty good indicator as to where they would stack up against an upper tier CAA program.
Now some of the others are a little more concerning. Just trying to stay objective on this one.
He was hurt last year. He DEFINITELY would have seen the floor had he stayed next year.
I hear you. I was high on him coming in. He went DII. I think that speaks for itself. Point guard is probably our strongest position going into next season. He was looking for minutes. Seems like a no brainer for him to go somewhere for his final year where he's guaranteed to get them. End of the day, if our success had much to do with whether he stayed or not then we are in much worse shape than I thought.
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RE: Recruit Updates
I like Brown a lot but his size is a problem with what I saw against CAA guards. He is pretty quick but not crazy quick and at that size you better have something going for you to even things up a bit. Elmore was just a flat out miss at this level and it happens. Good luck to both players with their teams.
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-24-2019 08:45 AM)getmhawks Wrote: So the signing period started last week and continues through May 15. After May 2, all in-person contact must happen on the college campus. We have about a week left of off-campus evaluation. Seems a bit concerning that we haven't heard hardly a peep.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/eligibi...lendar.pdf
This is what we know for sure. I suspect they have other targets out there that we don't know about. We're not even a week into the early signing period, things will start to fall together in the next week or so.
2 offers- Koehler, Tolefree
2 2019 Targets- Khalil Robinson, Javier Turner
Grad Transfer Targets- Carter Skaggs, Jaume Sorolla
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(04-24-2019 09:32 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: (04-24-2019 08:45 AM)getmhawks Wrote: So the signing period started last week and continues through May 15. After May 2, all in-person contact must happen on the college campus. We have about a week left of off-campus evaluation. Seems a bit concerning that we haven't heard hardly a peep.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/eligibi...lendar.pdf
This is what we know for sure. I suspect they have other targets out there that we don't know about. We're not even a week into the early signing period, things will start to fall together in the next week or so.
2 offers- Koehler, Tolefree
2 2019 Targets- Khalil Robinson, Javier Turner
Grad Transfer Targets- Carter Skaggs, Jaume Sorolla
That's a similar list to what I have GM. Teams don't want to sign a Grad Transfer to early because they can scare away younger recruits. (You don't sign a Grad Transfer to sit the bench). I would be thrilled if we land Koehler/Skaggs/Sorolla. All different players but good size at their positions and they each do something very well. Koehler can play inside/out, Skaggs space the floor as an absolute pure shooter with size, and Sorolla a 7fter that can run the court and catch loops/block shots. I know that Skaggs wants UNCW. My guess is that CB will start announcing at least one in the next week. The frowns on this Discussion Board could all turn to smiles if CB follows through on his rep as a solid recruiter. The better players you have the less your weaknesses as a Coach are exposed. Hello Roy Williams.
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RE: Recruit Updates
(04-24-2019 11:30 AM)HAWKING Wrote: (04-24-2019 09:32 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: (04-24-2019 08:45 AM)getmhawks Wrote: So the signing period started last week and continues through May 15. After May 2, all in-person contact must happen on the college campus. We have about a week left of off-campus evaluation. Seems a bit concerning that we haven't heard hardly a peep.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/eligibi...lendar.pdf
This is what we know for sure. I suspect they have other targets out there that we don't know about. We're not even a week into the early signing period, things will start to fall together in the next week or so.
2 offers- Koehler, Tolefree
2 2019 Targets- Khalil Robinson, Javier Turner
Grad Transfer Targets- Carter Skaggs, Jaume Sorolla
That's a similar list to what I have GM. Teams don't want to sign a Grad Transfer to early because they can scare away younger recruits. (You don't sign a Grad Transfer to sit the bench). I would be thrilled if we land Koehler/Skaggs/Sorolla. All different players but good size at their positions and they each do something very well. Koehler can play inside/out, Skaggs space the floor as an absolute pure shooter with size, and Sorolla a 7fter that can run the court and catch loops/block shots. I know that Skaggs wants UNCW. My guess is that CB will start announcing at least one in the next week. The frowns on this Discussion Board could all turn to smiles if CB follows through on his rep as a solid recruiter. The better players you have the less your weaknesses as a Coach are exposed. Hello Roy Williams.
Furthermore... Actually looks like Anyeuri Castillo is in Wilmington taking his official visit. Castillo is a JUCO transfer with 2 years of eligibility that just recently got his release from App State after their coaching change. I would assume he's been offered if he's on campus.
https://www.cgtctitans.com/sports/mbkb/2...yeuri_0z88
https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/anyeuri-castillo
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