(07-20-2014 01:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I haven't seen anything over the past couple of years to believe one or two teams have separated from the pack significantly. ULL and Ark St have had solid seasons, but they still play close conference games and underwhelm out of conference. I am hopeful we can have a team or two emerge nationally as that would help the conference's image tremendously. We really need a team to crack the top 25 and get that monkey off our back.

I agree. For ULL and Arkansas State to significantly separate themselves from the rest of the SBC, they need to win some OOC games against quality competition. Both of these schools are 0-6 against P5 schools the past three seasons.

ULL has tough back-to-back road games against Ole Miss and Boise State. Although Boise State is not a P5 school, they are 93-4 at home since 1999 and they recruit as well as some P5 schools and better than every G5 school. ULL needs a win in one of these two games.

Arkansas State has tough back-to-back road games against Tennessee and Miami and a tough home game against Utah State. That is a very challenging OOC schedule. Hopefully they can come out of this schedule 2-1. The SBC needs a couple of schools to emerge and crack the top 25.

(07-20-2014 03:16 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 01:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I haven't seen anything over the past couple of years to believe one or two teams have separated from the pack significantly. ULL and Ark St have had solid seasons, but they still play close conference games and underwhelm out of conference. I am hopeful we can have a team or two emerge nationally as that would help the conference's image tremendously. We really need a team to crack the top 25 and get that monkey off our back.

I agree. For ULL and Arkansas State to significantly separate themselves from the rest of the SBC, they need to win some OOC games against quality competition. Both of these schools are 0-6 against P5 schools the past three seasons.

ULL has tough back-to-back road games against Ole Miss and Boise State. Although Boise State is not a P5 school, they are 93-4 at home since 1999 and they recruit as well as some P5 schools and better than every G5 school. ULL needs a win in one of these two games.

Arkansas State has tough back-to-back road games against Tennessee and Miami and a tough home game against Utah State. That is a very challenging OOC schedule. Hopefully they can come out of this schedule 2-1. The SBC needs a couple of schools to emerge and crack the top 25.

I think the top 25 thing will happen because more people now realize the depth of the league.

There are 5-6 teams every year now in the SBC that can beat any G5 team, and many P5's. Plus ASU and UL have represented well in the bowl games.

(07-20-2014 01:20 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 12:42 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 05:39 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  The team that gets picked preaseason #1 doesn't generally end the season as such...

If Broadway stays healthy, I don't think that will be the case this season. But, that is why they play the games.

We'll pick this back up when game 12 rolls around.

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I absolutely have no problem with that.

(07-20-2014 03:16 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 01:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I haven't seen anything over the past couple of years to believe one or two teams have separated from the pack significantly. ULL and Ark St have had solid seasons, but they still play close conference games and underwhelm out of conference. I am hopeful we can have a team or two emerge nationally as that would help the conference's image tremendously. We really need a team to crack the top 25 and get that monkey off our back.

I agree. For ULL and Arkansas State to significantly separate themselves from the rest of the SBC, they need to win some OOC games against quality competition. Both of these schools are 0-6 against P5 schools the past three seasons.

ULL has tough back-to-back road games against Ole Miss and Boise State. Although Boise State is not a P5 school, they are 93-4 at home since 1999 and they recruit as well as some P5 schools and better than every G5 school. ULL needs a win in one of these two games.

Arkansas State has tough back-to-back road games against Tennessee and Miami and a tough home game against Utah State. That is a very challenging OOC schedule. Hopefully they can come out of this schedule 2-1. The SBC needs a couple of schools to emerge and crack the top 25.

That maybe the case, but excuse me while I ignore what your statement that UL needs to win one of those two games. While that would be great, 10-2 would still be a great year and certainly better than the 9-4 records of the past two seasons.

(07-20-2014 09:32 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern has made 13 final four playoff appearances versus 5 for App. Huge difference. Without Armanti, App has only been to the championship game once.

So App has a 60% winning percentage in semi final games to GSU's 46%. Considering App lost in OT on the last play in one and in OT the other. App is two plays away from being 5-0 in semi finals. This is pointless argument. We had Armanti, just like you guys had Tracy Ham, Adrian Peterson.

(07-20-2014 07:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 09:32 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern has made 13 final four playoff appearances versus 5 for App. Huge difference. Without Armanti, App has only been to the championship game once.

So App has a 60% winning percentage in semi final games to GSU's 46%. Considering App lost in OT on the last play in one and in OT the other. App is two plays away from being 5-0 in semi finals. This is pointless argument. We had Armanti, just like you guys had Tracy Ham, Adrian Peterson.

We've won 8/13 semi-final games at 62%

Ham won 2
Peterson won 2
Raymond Gross won 2

(07-20-2014 07:31 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 09:32 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern has made 13 final four playoff appearances versus 5 for App. Huge difference. Without Armanti, App has only been to the championship game once.

So App has a 60% winning percentage in semi final games to GSU's 46%. Considering App lost in OT on the last play in one and in OT the other. App is two plays away from being 5-0 in semi finals. This is pointless argument. We had Armanti, just like you guys had Tracy Ham, Adrian Peterson.

We've won 8/13 semi-final games at 62%

Ham won 2
Peterson won 2
Raymond Gross won 2

Why don't y'all take the "who is better in FCS" to the smack board. You are FBS now. Start writing that history. No one really cares who was the tallest midget.

(07-20-2014 07:36 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:31 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 09:32 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern has made 13 final four playoff appearances versus 5 for App. Huge difference. Without Armanti, App has only been to the championship game once.

So App has a 60% winning percentage in semi final games to GSU's 46%. Considering App lost in OT on the last play in one and in OT the other. App is two plays away from being 5-0 in semi finals. This is pointless argument. We had Armanti, just like you guys had Tracy Ham, Adrian Peterson.

We've won 8/13 semi-final games at 62%

Ham won 2
Peterson won 2
Raymond Gross won 2

Why don't y'all take the "who is better in FCS" to the smack board. You are FBS now. Start writing that history. No one really cares who was the tallest midget.

Agreed! I just had or correct his math errors.

(07-20-2014 06:38 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:16 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 01:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I haven't seen anything over the past couple of years to believe one or two teams have separated from the pack significantly. ULL and Ark St have had solid seasons, but they still play close conference games and underwhelm out of conference. I am hopeful we can have a team or two emerge nationally as that would help the conference's image tremendously. We really need a team to crack the top 25 and get that monkey off our back.

I agree. For ULL and Arkansas State to significantly separate themselves from the rest of the SBC, they need to win some OOC games against quality competition. Both of these schools are 0-6 against P5 schools the past three seasons.

ULL has tough back-to-back road games against Ole Miss and Boise State. Although Boise State is not a P5 school, they are 93-4 at home since 1999 and they recruit as well as some P5 schools and better than every G5 school. ULL needs a win in one of these two games.

Arkansas State has tough back-to-back road games against Tennessee and Miami and a tough home game against Utah State. That is a very challenging OOC schedule. Hopefully they can come out of this schedule 2-1. The SBC needs a couple of schools to emerge and crack the top 25.

That maybe the case, but excuse me while I ignore what your statement that UL needs to win one of those two games. While that would be great, 10-2 would still be a great year and certainly better than the 9-4 records of the past two seasons.

If you lose those two games, you are 2-2 after four games (that is assuming you beat Louisiana Tech). ULL would need to go unbeaten in conference play to get to 10-2. Easier said that done and it has never been done by ULL before. Even if ULL got to 10-2, those two losses would keep them out of the top 25. For voters, quality wins in OOC games are basically required to get into the top 25 for G5 schools.

(07-20-2014 07:46 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:36 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:31 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 07:10 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 09:32 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern has made 13 final four playoff appearances versus 5 for App. Huge difference. Without Armanti, App has only been to the championship game once.

So App has a 60% winning percentage in semi final games to GSU's 46%. Considering App lost in OT on the last play in one and in OT the other. App is two plays away from being 5-0 in semi finals. This is pointless argument. We had Armanti, just like you guys had Tracy Ham, Adrian Peterson.

We've won 8/13 semi-final games at 62%

Ham won 2
Peterson won 2
Raymond Gross won 2

Why don't y'all take the "who is better in FCS" to the smack board. You are FBS now. Start writing that history. No one really cares who was the tallest midget.

Agreed! I just had or correct his math errors.

My mistake, I miscounted. You do realize it was said in jest, don't you?

(07-19-2014 11:38 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Then last week we see a report that App State lost a lot more players time in games to injury last year. So wasn't a matter of GaSo having lost a ton of players, we had lost a lot more.

Just getting a little old with claims of GS program being better than App State when it's not true. Too many people buying things said that are not correct. Too many drinking the water.

In fairness, the numbers weren't accurate for us. E22 pointed out a couple of examples in that thread that destroyed our lost starts number. Hell, we had 22 lost starts in 2 guys that were injured before the season started.

We were extremely banged up. Our coaches also laid a HUGE egg after McKinnon got injured for some ungodly known reason.

(07-20-2014 10:33 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:38 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Then last week we see a report that App State lost a lot more players time in games to injury last year. So wasn't a matter of GaSo having lost a ton of players, we had lost a lot more.

Just getting a little old with claims of GS program being better than App State when it's not true. Too many people buying things said that are not correct. Too many drinking the water.

In fairness, the numbers weren't accurate for us. E22 pointed out a couple of examples in that thread that destroyed our lost starts number. Hell, we had 22 lost starts in 2 guys that were injured before the season started.

We were extremely banged up. Our coaches also laid a HUGE egg after McKinnon got injured for some ungodly known reason.

According to the 3014 media guide ( starting lineups for the 2013 season) App was missing 1 starter on offense and 3 on defense.

(07-21-2014 06:43 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:33 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:38 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Then last week we see a report that App State lost a lot more players time in games to injury last year. So wasn't a matter of GaSo having lost a ton of players, we had lost a lot more.

Just getting a little old with claims of GS program being better than App State when it's not true. Too many people buying things said that are not correct. Too many drinking the water.

In fairness, the numbers weren't accurate for us. E22 pointed out a couple of examples in that thread that destroyed our lost starts number. Hell, we had 22 lost starts in 2 guys that were injured before the season started.

We were extremely banged up. Our coaches also laid a HUGE egg after McKinnon got injured for some ungodly known reason.

According to the 3014 media guide ( starting lineups for the 2013 season) App was missing 1 starter on offense and 3 on defense.

We lost at least 2 starters on defense, 1 starter on offense as well as a heavy contributor (Swope had only 2 starts, Youyoute had moved to WR where he was expected to get a lot of time). We lost a lot of time due to injury last year.

I know you guys had a lot too, but we both experienced significant losses.

I am pulling for App. to have a successful year this year. Other than our game and any game that could affect a conference championship (which I don't see either of us having much shot at this year) I pull for App to win. I think it would make a good statement if both of us could somehow get to 6-6 this year.

(07-20-2014 09:48 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 06:38 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 03:16 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 01:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I haven't seen anything over the past couple of years to believe one or two teams have separated from the pack significantly. ULL and Ark St have had solid seasons, but they still play close conference games and underwhelm out of conference. I am hopeful we can have a team or two emerge nationally as that would help the conference's image tremendously. We really need a team to crack the top 25 and get that monkey off our back.

I agree. For ULL and Arkansas State to significantly separate themselves from the rest of the SBC, they need to win some OOC games against quality competition. Both of these schools are 0-6 against P5 schools the past three seasons.

ULL has tough back-to-back road games against Ole Miss and Boise State. Although Boise State is not a P5 school, they are 93-4 at home since 1999 and they recruit as well as some P5 schools and better than every G5 school. ULL needs a win in one of these two games.

Arkansas State has tough back-to-back road games against Tennessee and Miami and a tough home game against Utah State. That is a very challenging OOC schedule. Hopefully they can come out of this schedule 2-1. The SBC needs a couple of schools to emerge and crack the top 25.

That maybe the case, but excuse me while I ignore what your statement that UL needs to win one of those two games. While that would be great, 10-2 would still be a great year and certainly better than the 9-4 records of the past two seasons.

If you lose those two games, you are 2-2 after four games (that is assuming you beat Louisiana Tech). ULL would need to go unbeaten in conference play to get to 10-2. Easier said that done and it has never been done by ULL before. Even if ULL got to 10-2, those two losses would keep them out of the top 25. For voters, quality wins in OOC games are basically required to get into the top 25 for G5 schools.

No doubt! My point is until Texas State is in a position to do the same, I'm not too concerned about what fans from other schools say UL needs to do. UL coaches know what is at stake this season and what it will take to achieve the goals they have set. Texas State needs to do its share in elevating this conference and then we talk about what UL should or needs to do this season.

(07-21-2014 06:43 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:33 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:38 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Then last week we see a report that App State lost a lot more players time in games to injury last year. So wasn't a matter of GaSo having lost a ton of players, we had lost a lot more.

Just getting a little old with claims of GS program being better than App State when it's not true. Too many people buying things said that are not correct. Too many drinking the water.

In fairness, the numbers weren't accurate for us. E22 pointed out a couple of examples in that thread that destroyed our lost starts number. Hell, we had 22 lost starts in 2 guys that were injured before the season started.

We were extremely banged up. Our coaches also laid a HUGE egg after McKinnon got injured for some ungodly known reason.

According to the 3014 media guide ( starting lineups for the 2013 season) App was missing 1 starter on offense and 3 on defense.

Will we still be here in a 1000 years? Inquiring minds wanna know...

(07-19-2014 08:35 PM)sidslidkid Wrote:  I think why I'm surprised to see App ahead of us in the poll is the fact that you guys have to go on the road to Louisiana and stAte. We don't play either, plus we get you at home. I would think that would give us a slight edge to finish better than you this year. No denying you guys have owned us in recent years. Hopefully we figure it out this year.

Good post and I agree.

But App is still the better program

(07-21-2014 09:22 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I am pulling for App. to have a successful year this year. Other than our game and any game that could affect a conference championship (which I don't see either of us having much shot at this year) I pull for App to win. I think it would make a good statement if both of us could somehow get to 6-6 this year.

Agree. Likewise I hope you guys win all of 'em but 1. We newbies gotta stick together!

There are 3 conference games that I want GS to win and 2 others that we should win.

We should be favored against NMSU and Idaho. But I really want to beat GaSt, App, and TxSt. Those three (depending on how well GaSt is doing) are games we can win, but could go either way. GaSt is right now a game I would see GS winning comfortably (but who knows), App has owned us lately and the games are usually very close, TxSt is a solid program and an away game, but I really want revenge for 2005.

oh, and GS is better than App.