ODU: 4-2
GS: 3-2
App: 1-4

Yes, we've lost 2 games, but I'm not quite ready to hang up the hat yet on this season. We lost 2 very close games and are rotating players trying to figure out what to do with these 12 scholarship players out. Barring further injuries we can only get better as these younger guys get more PT. I for one am excited about the rest of this season.

The Mountaineers on the other hand are struggling a bit, but they have their issues as well this season. 2014 will be fun.

(10-08-2013 08:34 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  ODU: 4-2
GS: 3-2
App: 1-4

Yes, we've lost 2 games, but I'm not quite ready to hang up the hat yet on this season. We lost 2 very close games and are rotating players trying to figure out what to do with these 12 scholarship players out. Barring further injuries we can only get better as these younger guys get more PT. I for one am excited about the rest of this season.

The Mountaineers on the other hand are struggling a bit, but they have their issues as well this season. 2014 will be fun.

You hope, I would enjoy this season....

i wonder if this five game stretch for app and gsu means they will suck forever. You know, like how USM and CUSA obviously will never be competitive going forward. does that apply to these two teams?

(10-07-2013 12:58 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  It seems like once the games started being played in the fall the GSU and APP St. talk from this past summer has been shut off completely of coming in and dominating conf. from Day 1...probably a smart move by both fanbases.......You guys will have your struggles, trust me...

I bet if you look it was a minority of posters that said anything remotely asserting that GS or App would "dominate" the SB. In fact I bet MOST said we would be able to compete more than dominate. That is taken as and or twisted into dominate by some of the other teams insecure fanatics. Like on all message boards things get way overblown. Confidence and pride in YOUR program is taken as arrogance and ignorance by others....blah blah. A typical GS or App team absolutely would compete in a typical Sun Belt conference especially with 20+ more scholarships. NDSU, or any consistent top five FCS would compete in any G5 FBS conference that is not the same as dominating. A lot of "paraphrasing" going on on this board.
Either way no denying the step back this year for both programs which can be attributed to many things. I dont know what is going on at App as much as GSU but my 2 cents is we are suffering with an unusual amount of key injuries, walking a tightrope of not turning our back on the seniors while trying to get the others experience for next year. I am not an X and O's guy but it is also obvious at GS that the coaches are mixing in some new offensive philosophies. Also, as a WKU poster said I have no doubt we are getting most teams best game, honestly if it were only App moving up I bet our players would love nothing more than to hang a 50 point blow out on them and rub going to the playoffs and playing for a NC in their face. It is what it is, it is not a typical year and these are not typical results for either team. Both are solid programs with high standards, traditions and history one bad year or several have never kept GS down for long and I dont expect a few rough transition years will either.
For the record, I dont expect to compete for a SB title for at least three years at the absolute best. I don't know how without a little luck you EXPECT to beat the best SB teams without upperclassmen full scholly depth. Its been the achilles heel in about all of GSU's close losses to FBS teams.

(10-08-2013 09:33 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  i wonder if this five game stretch for app and gsu means they will suck forever. You know, like how USM and CUSA obviously will never be competitive going forward. does that apply to these two teams?

(10-08-2013 09:49 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 12:58 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  It seems like once the games started being played in the fall the GSU and APP St. talk from this past summer has been shut off completely of coming in and dominating conf. from Day 1...probably a smart move by both fanbases.......You guys will have your struggles, trust me...

I bet if you look it was a minority of posters that said anything remotely asserting that GS or App would "dominate" the SB. In fact I bet MOST said we would be able to compete more than dominate. That is taken as and or twisted into dominate by some of the other teams insecure fanatics. Like on all message boards things get way overblown. Confidence and pride in YOUR program is taken as arrogance and ignorance by others....blah blah. A typical GS or App team absolutely would compete in a typical Sun Belt conference especially with 20+ more scholarships. NDSU, or any consistent top five FCS would compete in any G5 FBS conference that is not the same as dominating. A lot of "paraphrasing" going on on this board.
Either way no denying the step back this year for both programs which can be attributed to many things. I dont know what is going on at App as much as GSU but my 2 cents is we are suffering with an unusual amount of key injuries, walking a tightrope of not turning our back on the seniors while trying to get the others experience for next year. I am not an X and O's guy but it is also obvious at GS that the coaches are mixing in some new offensive philosophies. Also, as a WKU poster said I have no doubt we are getting most teams best game, honestly if it were only App moving up I bet our players would love nothing more than to hang a 50 point blow out on them and rub going to the playoffs and playing for a NC in their face. It is what it is, it is not a typical year and these are not typical results for either team. Both are solid programs with high standards, traditions and history one bad year or several have never kept GS down for long and I dont expect a few rough transition years will either.
For the record, I dont expect to compete for a SB title for at least three years at the absolute best. I don't know how without a little luck you EXPECT to beat the best SB teams without upperclassmen full scholly depth. Its been the achilles heel in about all of GSU's close losses to FBS teams.

Very well said...The talk has died down now but I remember in the summer it was GSU will dominate, the triple option no one can stop, etc..I am sure it was only a few posters, but those posts seemed like GSU should have skipped the SB and gone straight into the SEC, haha...Now that actual football has started, most of the non sense talk has gone away and I sure most of your fanbases know you will take your lumps the first couple of years of FBS...I am sure though both of you guys will be fine in the future....I know how a few posters can ruin it for everyone and you only remember the few out there posts from fan bases....

Thank God that the chatter has died down,lol. But seriously there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Gasouthern is confident because of our past history and traditions not arrogant because of them. I guess I don't get it when people have a problem with us excepting to win. We are not trying to be boastful when we say this it's just our montray. We know moving up will not be easy and we will take our lumps but if we go in excepting to loose a game 9 time out of 10 we will.

(10-08-2013 10:35 AM)rbostic287 Wrote:  Thank God that the chatter has died down,lol. But seriously there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Gasouthern is confident because of our past history and traditions not arrogant because of them. I guess I don't get it when people have a problem with us excepting to win. We are not trying to be boastful when we say this it's just our montray. We know moving up will not be easy and we will take our lumps but if we go in excepting to loose a game 9 time out of 10 we will.

there was a loud minority of gsu posters who tried to contend that you and app would dominate the sbc from year 1.

(10-08-2013 10:14 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 09:49 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 12:58 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  It seems like once the games started being played in the fall the GSU and APP St. talk from this past summer has been shut off completely of coming in and dominating conf. from Day 1...probably a smart move by both fanbases.......You guys will have your struggles, trust me...

I bet if you look it was a minority of posters that said anything remotely asserting that GS or App would "dominate" the SB. In fact I bet MOST said we would be able to compete more than dominate. That is taken as and or twisted into dominate by some of the other teams insecure fanatics. Like on all message boards things get way overblown. Confidence and pride in YOUR program is taken as arrogance and ignorance by others....blah blah. A typical GS or App team absolutely would compete in a typical Sun Belt conference especially with 20+ more scholarships. NDSU, or any consistent top five FCS would compete in any G5 FBS conference that is not the same as dominating. A lot of "paraphrasing" going on on this board.
Either way no denying the step back this year for both programs which can be attributed to many things. I dont know what is going on at App as much as GSU but my 2 cents is we are suffering with an unusual amount of key injuries, walking a tightrope of not turning our back on the seniors while trying to get the others experience for next year. I am not an X and O's guy but it is also obvious at GS that the coaches are mixing in some new offensive philosophies. Also, as a WKU poster said I have no doubt we are getting most teams best game, honestly if it were only App moving up I bet our players would love nothing more than to hang a 50 point blow out on them and rub going to the playoffs and playing for a NC in their face. It is what it is, it is not a typical year and these are not typical results for either team. Both are solid programs with high standards, traditions and history one bad year or several have never kept GS down for long and I dont expect a few rough transition years will either.
For the record, I dont expect to compete for a SB title for at least three years at the absolute best. I don't know how without a little luck you EXPECT to beat the best SB teams without upperclassmen full scholly depth. Its been the achilles heel in about all of GSU's close losses to FBS teams.

Very well said...The talk has died down now but I remember in the summer it was GSU will dominate, the triple option no one can stop, etc..I am sure it was only a few posters, but those posts seemed like GSU should have skipped the SB and gone straight into the SEC, haha...Now that actual football has started, most of the non sense talk has gone away and I sure most of your fanbases know you will take your lumps the first couple of years of FBS...I am sure though both of you guys will be fine in the future....I know how a few posters can ruin it for everyone and you only remember the few out there posts from fan bases....

I don't doubt a few idiots were claiming instant success maybe even dominance but I also believe you could not find exact quotes claiming "dominance" and or the TO is "unstoppable". GS has had only one undefeated season so obviously to say someone claimed it is unstoppable is more likely more "paraphrasing". As much as we have over zealous fan there is many more that take a JUSTIFIED comment that a TYPICAL GS / App would compete right away as "we will dominate". Just the way it goes on a message board. Talk is cheap, until GS proves it on the field and or any Belt / coosa team has more than a few decent season in a row I say shut the heck up for all posters.

(10-07-2013 12:45 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Regardless of who is playing or not playing, neither Georgia Southern nor App should be struggling like this. It doesn't bode well for either program at a supposed higher level of play if both aren't winning at their current level.

As I recall heading into this season (at least from a GS standpoint), the general consensus was this was supposed to be a win-out year in which we left FCS with a bang, knocked off (or at least scared hell out of) Florida and showed the FBS and the SunBelt just what kind of almighty super cool great football power they were getting. The S-belt being just a temporary stop, of course, on the way to the ACC or SEC in five years or so after everyone bowed to the greatest football team ever and therefore by proxy the greatest fans ever. Because, as we all know, one GS fan is worth any 10 fans of any other school.

Instead, well, it's a good thing we're ineligible for the FCS playoffs because there's a likely possibility we won't get picked anyway.


I, along with a good number of others, am no fan of the move up, thinking FCS was plenty competitive for the Eagles, and I now suspect this may be a sort of corollary of Oliver's Woofing Theorem come home to roost -- namely, our esteemed president basically dismissing FCS as something not worthy of Georgia Southern. Hubris, karma, or maybe he's right. So far it's looking like we might be better suited for D2 than the Sunbelt.

I wouldn't call this the general consensus at all. I would call it the pro-FCS'ers assumption of what anyone that dared to say moving up was a good idea thought. Very few have said that we are going to dominate everybody from the jump. Some of the fringe element have said that, but not anyone with any sense of reality.

The move up to FBS has ZERO to do with dominating or not dominating FCS. It has EVERYTHING to do with FCS having a status lower than the red headed step child. We gain zero national exposure from competing in FCS, as evidenced by no one other than our own fans and a few FCS fans knowing we even exist. Appy got more national attention from beating Michign than they ever did from their three national championships. More people know NDSU for beating Kansas State than know they are the two time defending champs. As with everything else, it was a business decision not a football decision.

(10-08-2013 04:35 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  It is becoming very clear that we are redshirting players at a hangnail. I have no problem with that. The problem will come from the ethical point of view.

And who are we doing that for????? Ramsby that tore his ACL and had surgery in fall camp? Swope who had shoulder surgery over the summer and again a week and half ago? Dean whose elbow bend about 90 degrees the wrong way? Robert Brown who had so many concussions last year that they had to sit him out and had back surgery and was never cleared to play again?

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. Name one that is questionable.

(10-08-2013 12:15 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 04:35 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  It is becoming very clear that we are redshirting players at a hangnail. I have no problem with that. The problem will come from the ethical point of view.

And who are we doing that for????? Ramsby that tore his ACL and had surgery in fall camp? Swope who had shoulder surgery over the summer and again a week and half ago? Dean whose elbow bend about 90 degrees the wrong way? Robert Brown who had so many concussions last year that they had to sit him out and had back surgery and was never cleared to play again?

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. Name one that is questionable.

Youyoute.

(10-08-2013 11:59 AM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 12:45 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Regardless of who is playing or not playing, neither Georgia Southern nor App should be struggling like this. It doesn't bode well for either program at a supposed higher level of play if both aren't winning at their current level.

As I recall heading into this season (at least from a GS standpoint), the general consensus was this was supposed to be a win-out year in which we left FCS with a bang, knocked off (or at least scared hell out of) Florida and showed the FBS and the SunBelt just what kind of almighty super cool great football power they were getting. The S-belt being just a temporary stop, of course, on the way to the ACC or SEC in five years or so after everyone bowed to the greatest football team ever and therefore by proxy the greatest fans ever. Because, as we all know, one GS fan is worth any 10 fans of any other school.

Instead, well, it's a good thing we're ineligible for the FCS playoffs because there's a likely possibility we won't get picked anyway.


I, along with a good number of others, am no fan of the move up, thinking FCS was plenty competitive for the Eagles, and I now suspect this may be a sort of corollary of Oliver's Woofing Theorem come home to roost -- namely, our esteemed president basically dismissing FCS as something not worthy of Georgia Southern. Hubris, karma, or maybe he's right. So far it's looking like we might be better suited for D2 than the Sunbelt.

I wouldn't call this the general consensus at all. I would call it the pro-FCS'ers assumption of what anyone that dared to say moving up was a good idea thought. Very few have said that we are going to dominate everybody from the jump. Some of the fringe element have said that, but not anyone with any sense of reality.

The move up to FBS has ZERO to do with dominating or not dominating FCS. It has EVERYTHING to do with FCS having a status lower than the red headed step child. We gain zero national exposure from competing in FCS, as evidenced by no one other than our own fans and a few FCS fans knowing we even exist. Appy got more national attention from beating Michign than they ever did from their three national championships. More people know NDSU for beating Kansas State than know they are the two time defending champs. As with everything else, it was a business decision not a football decision.

It just seems odd that some fans on the sun belt board claim to note know who we are but fans from bcs schools do. Maybe a lot of you don't know us or never have heard of us but when fans from larger fanbases have it kind of sound fishey.

I'm not nieve to the fact that we are not well liked around the football circles and it's not because we have arrogant fans. People tend to not like the teams that win all the time. I don't like Alabama,USC(not recent), the New England Patriots. Now I don't count UGA in this because they will always disappoint.

(10-07-2013 12:45 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  Regardless of who is playing or not playing, neither Georgia Southern nor App should be struggling like this. It doesn't bode well for either program at a supposed higher level of play if both aren't winning at their current level.

As I recall heading into this season (at least from a GS standpoint), the general consensus was this was supposed to be a win-out year in which we left FCS with a bang, knocked off (or at least scared hell out of) Florida and showed the FBS and the SunBelt just what kind of almighty super cool great football power they were getting. The S-belt being just a temporary stop, of course, on the way to the ACC or SEC in five years or so after everyone bowed to the greatest football team ever and therefore by proxy the greatest fans ever. Because, as we all know, one GS fan is worth any 10 fans of any other school.

Instead, well, it's a good thing we're ineligible for the FCS playoffs because there's a likely possibility we won't get picked anyway.


I, along with a good number of others, am no fan of the move up, thinking FCS was plenty competitive for the Eagles, and I now suspect this may be a sort of corollary of Oliver's Woofing Theorem come home to roost -- namely, our esteemed president basically dismissing FCS as something not worthy of Georgia Southern. Hubris, karma, or maybe he's right. So far it's looking like we might be better suited for D2 than the Sunbelt.

Wow you have to the most bitter poster I have ever encountered on a message board. I have never seen someone so against the FBS move post more about the FBS move. Why don't you be brave and bash the Sun Belt like you have on GSUfans? It is sad that from this point on you interest in GaSou football will be celebrating the stumbles and losses so you can say I told you so rather than enjoying a higher level of competition and watching the team you claim to be a fan of improve in the highest level of football. If you hate the Sun Belt and FBS that bad Sav State is right down the road and I hear Valdosta State is pretty good in DIV II, I would hurry before they get the crazy notion to move up to the FCS and ruin everything.

Should App and GSU be struggling with the talent on the roster no. That is the only thing that is remotely true in your sad diatribe.
All the other stuff is flat out lies or at best exaggerations. If you or anyone else are going to put words in folks mouths especially when asserting it was a "consensus" have the decency to find a quote or two. With it being a "consensus" it should not be that hard.

(10-08-2013 12:15 PM)KJ Eagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2013 04:35 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  It is becoming very clear that we are redshirting players at a hangnail. I have no problem with that. The problem will come from the ethical point of view.

And who are we doing that for????? Ramsby that tore his ACL and had surgery in fall camp? Swope who had shoulder surgery over the summer and again a week and half ago? Dean whose elbow bend about 90 degrees the wrong way? Robert Brown who had so many concussions last year that they had to sit him out and had back surgery and was never cleared to play again?

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. Name one that is questionable.

Quan Daniels, Izzy, Ant Williams, Mention.