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tigersharktwo Wrote:There is a complete loss of reality.Yes ecu has a medical school.However,the idea that is amongst the top medical school in the US does meet with reality.Continue to hate UNC a top rated AAU school.Continue to think ecu is amongst the top athletic schools in 1A.

Yeah, well read the links above and get back to me. By the way, does your school have a medical school that is world-renowned in any field such as robotic heart surgery, or better yet is your medical school considered the most world-renowned in any field such as the field cited in the previous sentence?

Just wondering, it very well could be that your school may be the most world-renowned in many fields so far as I know. But, it would be nice if you could state that you have a school and that is stands for something outstanding.

However, I can assure you that I did not come here to blast your school or any other school, just to wish the BE good luck and to list a couple of things about my school so that more from BE schools would be aware of what we have to offer.
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When the split talks resume and it
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Re: ECU's market
pirate65 Wrote:[quote="SO#1"][quote="pirate65"]if ECU gets into a BCS conference it WILL have the largest ON CAMPUS stadium in NC 04-rock

You wouldn
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When TSYune says he went to a Big Ten school, he really means that he went to an extension campus like IU Northwest or IUPUI.

I hope ECU gets in just because they are Purple and Yellow and called Pirates.
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George63 Wrote:
tigersharktwo Wrote:
StillJonesing Wrote:
tigersharktwo Wrote:There is a complete loss of reality.Yes ecu has a medical school.However,the idea that is amongst the top medical school in the US does meet with reality.Continue to hate UNC a top rated AAU school.Continue to think ecu is amongst the top athletic schools in 1A.

Who was your school again??? Maybe one day they will field a D1aa football team sharty.
B10 all AAU clearly a different level.

What does your reference of AAU stand for? The last reference I saw for AAU was for American Amateur Union.

And again, what school did you attend if you don't mind divulging it?
Association of American Universities http://www.aau.edu.

NC members are Duke and UNC Chapel Hill
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Pirates have NEVER had a problem with "size" and our location near the coast leads to the "motion in the ocean" criteria being met, too. All the ladies I've met seem satisfied.

I don't see what the point is?
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ECU in the Big East...
[quote="CardHouse"]When the split talks resume and it
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a) I swear we had this same discussion/thread about 3-6 months ago, started with the same type of intro. Huh.

b) I'm pretty confident that the actual decision makers involved know all this information, and that anyone not capable of gleaning it from the other discussions here and eslewhere is probably unable or unwilling to comprehend. ECU has access to a very decent market, and has proven itself capable of commanding a large portion of it. This despite being a smaller voice within a crowd. Were this not an era of big $ and media then this wouldn't even be a discussion.

c) I'm sure that there is plenty of legit greivances for ECU against UNC and NCSU. But please recall how most State University systems work. Flagships are what they are by direction. Here in Georgia other schools are permitted to operate programs also offered at UGA... provided they are subsets of the UGA program. It will be a cold day in Hades before the likes of Georgia State or Valdosta State offer law programs of their own design.

And while some of this is ego some of it is the designed function of the system. Flagships are supposed to be the pinnacle of the state system because that's how the State is going to fund and nurture them. It hasn't been until the recent era with the change from predominantly blue collar to mostly white collar economies that regional and metro campuses were regarded as possible/necessary peers in the field of highest-level research education facilities. I'm not justifying any personal actions UNC and its grads may be taking out against ECU, but understand that this isn't just a ECU/UNC thing but also part of the larger makeover of post-secondary education in this country. I imagine that over time the concept of singular flagships will continue to grow dilluted, unless another unforseen change somes along. They'll still be managed as the pinnacles they're intended to be, but the monopoly won't resemble that of a bygone era.

d) Were it not for the animosity and the vitriol I'd love swapping ECU (to the ACC) and BC (to the BE). But I realize I'm probably in the minority for that move. ;-)
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GunnerFan Wrote:c) I'm sure that there is plenty of legit greivances for ECU against UNC and NCSU. But please recall how most State University systems work. Flagships are what they are by direction. Here in Georgia other schools are permitted to operate programs also offered at UGA... provided they are subsets of the UGA program. It will be a cold day in Hades before the likes of Georgia State or Valdosta State offer law programs of their own design.

And while some of this is ego some of it is the designed function of the system. Flagships are supposed to be the pinnacle of the state system because that's how the State is going to fund and nurture them. It hasn't been until the recent era with the change from predominantly blue collar to mostly white collar economies that regional and metro campuses were regarded as possible/necessary peers in the field of highest-level research education facilities. I'm not justifying any personal actions UNC and its grads may be taking out against ECU, but understand that this isn't just a ECU/UNC thing but also part of the larger makeover of post-secondary education in this country. I imagine that over time the concept of singular flagships will continue to grow dilluted, unless another unforseen change somes along. They'll still be managed as the pinnacles they're intended to be, but the monopoly won't resemble that of a bygone era.

Gunner,

States run university systems in different ways.

California-Berkeley is the flagship of California state schools, right? Does that mean that UCLA is less of a school? Actually, no. They both hold their own academically. In fact, the whole California system holds itself well academically (UC-Davis, UC-San Diego, UC-Irvine, etc...). They also have a secondary system (San Diego State, Fresno State, etc...)

The Virginia system is also different that Georgia's. Schools in the commonwealth run independently of one another. James Madison, William & Mary, UVA, VPI, ODU, VCU, and George Mason are independent state schools.

The North Carolina university system is in theory one school. UNC-Chapel Hill, UNC-Charlotte, UNC-Greensboro, App State, Western Carolina, East Carolina, UNC-Pembroke, UNC-Wilmington, Fayetteville State, NCCU, Elizabeth City State, Winston Salem State, NC State, etc...are the same school at different locations.
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I would be concerned too except teams like Clemson, Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia Tech, Penn State, West Virginia, Virginia, etc.... seem to do well in their "crap markets".

People follow their "team" and ECU has plenty of fans. We can hold our own with most of the Big East when it comes to fans.

If you wish to compare ECU to Ohio State, I'll concend to your argument.
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More begging by ECU fans....Classic! Try winning at football or basketball before trying to jump ship lmfao
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StillJonesing Wrote:I wouldn't say the size of the market really matters anyway, if people don't give a $hit about you in that market.

Take UCF or Houston for example major cities, 40,000+ students and they struggle to 20k a game in football and UCF can't get 1,500 in hoops even when they win 25 games, and Houston can't get 5,000 even after they get a big name coach and a couple of top 25 wins. No one cares in those markets and those teams are behind the pro teams and then the Texas's and Florida's Miami's, FSU's in the paper and on TV.

The bottom line is we are THE team in our market, even above UNC and NCSU. The paper and local affiliates lead with ECU games if we played. For instance last season we have a local TV package for Football, basketball, and a few baseball games. The ECU @SMU game pre-empted the Notre Dame/USC game in our Market on the NBC affiliate station.
and have trumped them in the past as well as big Nascar races ect.

Not to mention we have two commercial radio stations that devote 15 hours a week each to ECU athletic sports talk.

http://www.pirateradio1250.com/index.shtml

Pirate radio is a two station network, and the compeditors are currently upgrading to wattage and will be one of the highest powered in the state.

http://www.talk1070.com/

We also get a lot of coverage in the Raleigh market and don't forget NC is one of the fastest growing states in the nation.


An article to think about on ECU and Market

http://bonesville.net/Articles/BrianBail...r_Desk.htm

I could assure you of the fact that if ECU was in the Big East that one of the local affiliates would televise the Big East game of the week and people would watch here. Heck we aren't even in the Big East and WITN did televise the WV ECU game of the Week in the Big East, and it was rated very high from what I read this year even in the North east market's. I don't know that you get those same assurances with some of the other candidates. In our market there would be interested people, and the games would be on. Did Tampa carry the BE game of the week this year??

Poor little UCF has a larger athletic budget and is building a $250 million dollar arena complex and a football stadium at the same time.

Keep up the begging! LOL! Do you really think a message board will change if you stay in the C-USA or not? You can't compete in the C-USA so I'd be happy you're in ANY conference at this point.
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Knight Time you beg in your own way, also. lmfao lmfao lmfao
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Wilkie01 Wrote:Knight Time you beg in your own way, also. lmfao lmfao lmfao

Not really....I'm just happy to be out of the A-Sun. I want the C-USA to stay together and the Big East to add Army/Navy as a partial member. That is the best of both worlds.

ECU whoring themselves to causal fans does not get you invited to the Big East.
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In Ohio, The Ohio State University is a former branch campus of The Ohio University and Miami University. Ohio University and Miami University couldn't agree on who would run the Columbus branch back in the late 1800's, so the legislature decide take it over and fund it. The one time branch campus is that school playing in the Big Ten. Ohio University is in Athens and Miami University in Oxford.

The Columbus branch plays in the "Ohio Stadium" and then had to use The in front of its name, because The Ohio University renamed its "Ohio Stadium" "Peden Stadium" and was founded in 1804 and was the first university in the Northwest territory. Miami and Ohio are bitter rivals and Ohio State can thank the two MAC rivalry for spinning it off.

Cincinnati was a original MAC member with Ohio, Miami, Butler, Western Reserve, and Wayne State, back in 1946.
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KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
Wilkie01 Wrote:Knight Time you beg in your own way, also. lmfao lmfao lmfao

Not really....I'm just happy to be out of the A-Sun. I want the C-USA to stay together and the Big East to add Army/Navy as a partial member. That is the best of both worlds.

ECU whoring themselves to causal fans does not get you invited to the Big East.

Nothing wrong with ECU fans giving us information regarding their school. I don't have an issue with them coming to the BE. Their location is not the greatest, but they do have fans and VT type of potential. If we need a 9th, I hope they will be considered and put rest of their sports in the CAA.
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KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
Wilkie01 Wrote:Knight Time you beg in your own way, also. lmfao lmfao lmfao
Not really....I'm just happy to be out of the A-Sun. I want the C-USA to stay together and the Big East to add Army/Navy as a partial member. That is the best of both worlds.

ECU whoring themselves to causal fans does not get you invited to the Big East.
Nothing wrong with ECU fans giving us information regarding their school. I don't have an issue with them coming to the BE. Their location is not the greatest, but they do have fans and VT type of potential. If we need a 9th, I hope they will be considered and put rest of their sports in the CAA.
The CAA, which is sending George Mason to the Final Four, does not need a freaking 13th team and they do not need a freaking 300 RPI from East Carolina. Try again. Maybe the Big South would take them for their sorry sports collage.
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Lolly Popp Wrote:
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KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
Wilkie01 Wrote:Knight Time you beg in your own way, also. lmfao lmfao lmfao
Not really....I'm just happy to be out of the A-Sun. I want the C-USA to stay together and the Big East to add Army/Navy as a partial member. That is the best of both worlds.

ECU whoring themselves to causal fans does not get you invited to the Big East.
Nothing wrong with ECU fans giving us information regarding their school. I don't have an issue with them coming to the BE. Their location is not the greatest, but they do have fans and VT type of potential. If we need a 9th, I hope they will be considered and put rest of their sports in the CAA.
The CAA, which is sending George Mason to the Final Four, does not need a freaking 13th team and they do not need a freaking 300 RPI from East Carolina. Try again. Maybe the Big South would take them for their sorry sports collage.

I am sorry that you are not "getting it". It is the schools commitment to success and its fans that make a school appealing. Schools ebb and flow with success.

I don't think people question Rutgers commitment on the field. I do think they are "do" for a run of winning.

Finally, basketball programs can be built. Gonzaga, George Mason, etc... built programs from nothing, too.
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OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:In Ohio, The Ohio State University is a former branch campus of The Ohio University and Miami University. Ohio University and Miami University couldn't agree on who would run the Columbus branch back in the late 1800's, so the legislature decide take it over and fund it. The one time branch campus is that school playing in the Big Ten. Ohio University is in Athens and Miami University in Oxford.

The Columbus branch plays in the "Ohio Stadium" and then had to use The in front of its name, because The Ohio University renamed its "Ohio Stadium" "Peden Stadium" and was founded in 1804 and was the first university in the Northwest territory. Miami and Ohio are bitter rivals and Ohio State can thank the two MAC rivalry for spinning it off.

Cincinnati was a original MAC member with Ohio, Miami, Butler, Western Reserve, and Wayne State, back in 1946.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

For what it's worth, George Mason was a branch campus for the University of Virginia.
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GunnerFan Wrote:Were it not for the animosity and the vitriol I'd love swapping ECU (to the ACC) and BC (to the BE). But I realize I'm probably in the minority for that move. ;-)

DEAL!!!

And to seal the deal I'll gladly give the ACC USF and take Maryland off your hands as well ;-)

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