(11-15-2012 05:26 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  ...A while back Air Force's AD said if Army and Navy were both in the NBE then it made since for them to go there as well. But after we voted for 14 only he thinks Air Force is probably gonna be happy where they are.

Air Force makes sense for the Big East but the Big East really makes sense for Air Force IMO. Air Force plays in the MWC and I realy have a very hard time seeing them winning a bid to the access bowl out of that conference, plus the Big East TV money is going to be multiples better than the MWC. But maybe Air Force is just a different animal. If not Air Force and it has to be in the west than Tulsa is a pretty good football program. And very good academics.

(11-15-2012 05:41 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:21 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Would this mean Navy may back out? Without AF it would make sense IMO. Get Fresno and UNLV and call it a day.

If Navy backs out there is no need to add anybody. Short of getting BYU that is the perfect scenario. You could play everyone at least every other year.

Truth be told, I hope Navy back out. Leave it at 12. We have flags planted in good markets.

WTR put his usual spin on the quote. The guy did say he thought AFA would say no, but he NEVER mentioned anything about BYU saying no. The only reference to them was, "IF BYU SAYS NO."

Damn, man, did you think nobody else would actually read the chat?

(11-15-2012 05:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  WTR put his usual spin on the quote. The guy did say he thought AFA would say no, but he NEVER mentioned anything about BYU saying no. The only reference to them was, "IF BYU SAYS NO."

Damn, man, did you think nobody else would actually read the chat?

That is your job, Worthy Keeper of the Word,

(11-15-2012 05:51 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:41 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:21 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Would this mean Navy may back out? Without AF it would make sense IMO. Get Fresno and UNLV and call it a day.

If Navy backs out there is no need to add anybody. Short of getting BYU that is the perfect scenario. You could play everyone at least every other year.

Truth be told, I hope Navy back out. Leave it at 12. We have flags planted in good markets.

This would be the best case IMO

(11-15-2012 05:56 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  WTR put his usual spin on the quote. The guy did say he thought AFA would say no, but he NEVER mentioned anything about BYU saying no. The only reference to them was, "IF BYU SAYS NO."

Damn, man, did you think nobody else would actually read the chat?

That is your job, Worthy Keeper of the Word,

Actually, 2 or 3 others beat me to it, and called him out. It just bugs me that he does that at times, cites some official guy, then twists the words a little to fit his view of the world.

(11-15-2012 05:51 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:39 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t see the value of UNLV at all. I see their name mentioned as possible western candidates and is there an inside joke that I don’t know anything about?

Aresco has said publically that ND won’t be replaced for basketball, why would the BE want UNLV for football only?

I checked their history and record.

This season 2-9
From 2002-2011 they are 33-86
0 winning seasons during that period
1 season of 6-6 (2003)
6 seasons with 2 wins

What am I missing? What do they bring to the table besides road trips to Vegas?

They are the Memphis of the West. Once Memphis got the invite I think the basis of getting teams that were good at football went out the window.

Memphis brings their great hoops program, though. UNLV is fantastic (if not a must-have) if there is an all-sports western division, but their value is very little when it's football-only.

I bet BYU stays independent and, if so, the Big East will be fine. But what I really wish is that they'd either say 'yes' or 'no' soon so we can all move on.

(11-15-2012 05:56 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  WTR put his usual spin on the quote. The guy did say he thought AFA would say no, but he NEVER mentioned anything about BYU saying no. The only reference to them was, "IF BYU SAYS NO."

Damn, man, did you think nobody else would actually read the chat?

That is your job, Worthy Keeper of the Word,

In my case, I couldn't find the chat, not that I had a lot of time to look for it AAA Thank you for clarifying.

(11-15-2012 05:51 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:39 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t see the value of UNLV at all. I see their name mentioned as possible western candidates and is there an inside joke that I don’t know anything about?

Aresco has said publically that ND won’t be replaced for basketball, why would the BE want UNLV for football only?

I checked their history and record.

This season 2-9
From 2002-2011 they are 33-86
0 winning seasons during that period
1 season of 6-6 (2003)
6 seasons with 2 wins

What am I missing? What do they bring to the table besides road trips to Vegas?

They are the Memphis of the West. Once Memphis got the invite I think the basis of getting teams that were good at football went out the window.

But Memphis is coming in for all sports, UNLV would be football only. ND is not going to be replaced so #14 will be football only.

Army brings more to the table then UNLV, at least you get the Army Navy game in the package.

(11-15-2012 05:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  WTR put his usual spin on the quote. The guy did say he thought AFA would say no, but he NEVER mentioned anything about BYU saying no. The only reference to them was, "IF BYU SAYS NO."

Damn, man, did you think nobody else would actually read the chat?

I thought it would be obvious when they read it. But since you are always the big prick to try and correct every little thing I guess I should of expected a visit from you. You are a little tool man. That is all there is to it.

(11-15-2012 05:33 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:30 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  It helps to read the actual quote:

Comment From Dave
What are the chances that Air Force is the 14th in your opinion? Fresno?
2:26

BroncoBeat: If it's not BYU, I think a Fresno/Tulsa/UNLV type of team comes into play. I just don't think Air Force wants to do it. And now that they've said they'll stop at 14, that makes me think the idea of adding AF and Army wasn't going to work out.

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So the beat writer is not ruling out BYU. And he just expresses an opinion re: Air Force.

Of course, we know that some Boise fans prefer Fresno to Air Force. So maybe he's saying what he knows his audience wants to hear.

Certainly, his statement regarding Air Force directly contradicts what we've heard recently, that AF is ready to go, and the ball is in BYU's court.

People who interpret that relatively benign comment above as some negative about our TV negotiations are born pessimists.

Well the news on BYU's board is they are not going anywhere. And Air Force mentioned they would be ready if Navy and Army was in. But our Presidents and AD's said 14 teams only. So that threw a wrench into that.
Also. They only school that would raise our TV $ is BYU. So if they do not come it really does not matter who #14 is.

Maybe so, but you can't take a BYU message board opinion and imply it came from a member of the media, without explaining that. You really need to change this thread title.

(11-15-2012 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'd be surprised if BYU joins the Big East, and I'd be even more surprised if Air Force *doesn't* join the Big East.

Honestly, I don't think there's much of a backup plan after Air Force. My feeling is that Fresno State is being looked at as the western equivalent of East Carolina. The problem is that the schools out west in the most attractive markets (e.g. UNLV, New Mexico, Colorado State) are horrible on-the-field.

Tulane as an *institution* would fit everything that a Big East school would want as an all-sports member (great academics, good market, top recruiting territory, new on-campus football stadium on the horizon)... other than football and basketball ability.

An out-of-the-box thought: UTEP as an all-sports member. It's in the state of Texas with preexisting rivalries with Houston and SMU while being far enough west for SDSU and Boise State. (El Paso is actually a shorter distance from San Diego than it is from Houston, which shows you how massive the state of Texas is.)

Then you just stay at 13

(11-15-2012 06:01 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:51 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:39 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t see the value of UNLV at all. I see their name mentioned as possible western candidates and is there an inside joke that I don’t know anything about?

Aresco has said publically that ND won’t be replaced for basketball, why would the BE want UNLV for football only?

I checked their history and record.

This season 2-9
From 2002-2011 they are 33-86
0 winning seasons during that period
1 season of 6-6 (2003)
6 seasons with 2 wins

What am I missing? What do they bring to the table besides road trips to Vegas?

They are the Memphis of the West. Once Memphis got the invite I think the basis of getting teams that were good at football went out the window.

But Memphis is coming in for all sports, UNLV would be football only. ND is not going to be replaced so #14 will be football only.

Army brings more to the table then UNLV, at least you get the Army Navy game in the package.

I guess heading for a full western division would be the goal with UNLV. ANd the LV market over whatever ECU has. The service schools just don't excite me much as a football fan.

(11-15-2012 06:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:33 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:30 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  It helps to read the actual quote:

Comment From Dave
What are the chances that Air Force is the 14th in your opinion? Fresno?
2:26

BroncoBeat: If it's not BYU, I think a Fresno/Tulsa/UNLV type of team comes into play. I just don't think Air Force wants to do it. And now that they've said they'll stop at 14, that makes me think the idea of adding AF and Army wasn't going to work out.

***********
So the beat writer is not ruling out BYU. And he just expresses an opinion re: Air Force.

Of course, we know that some Boise fans prefer Fresno to Air Force. So maybe he's saying what he knows his audience wants to hear.

Certainly, his statement regarding Air Force directly contradicts what we've heard recently, that AF is ready to go, and the ball is in BYU's court.

People who interpret that relatively benign comment above as some negative about our TV negotiations are born pessimists.

Well the news on BYU's board is they are not going anywhere. And Air Force mentioned they would be ready if Navy and Army was in. But our Presidents and AD's said 14 teams only. So that threw a wrench into that.
Also. They only school that would raise our TV $ is BYU. So if they do not come it really does not matter who #14 is.

Maybe so, but you can't take a BYU message board opinion and imply it came from a member of the media, without explaining that. You really need to change this thread title.

No I really don't. I am gonna assume these people have enough common sense to know this is if BYU is out. Not everyone is as picky as you are.

I know some BE folks think that one of BYU or AFA is saying yes.

(11-15-2012 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'd be surprised if BYU joins the Big East, and I'd be even more surprised if Air Force *doesn't* join the Big East.

Honestly, I don't think there's much of a backup plan after Air Force. My feeling is that Fresno State is being looked at as the western equivalent of East Carolina. The problem is that the schools out west in the most attractive markets (e.g. UNLV, New Mexico, Colorado State) are horrible on-the-field.

Tulane as an *institution* would fit everything that a Big East school would want as an all-sports member (great academics, good market, top recruiting territory, new on-campus football stadium on the horizon)... other than football and basketball ability.

An out-of-the-box thought: UTEP as an all-sports member. It's in the state of Texas with preexisting rivalries with Houston and SMU while being far enough west for SDSU and Boise State. (El Paso is actually a shorter distance from San Diego than it is from Houston, which shows you how massive the state of Texas is.)

Dan Wolken, the former Memphis basketball beat writer and now at USAToday, has advocated for Tulsa as the 14th for, it seems, months. See no problem there. Right location and good football.

(11-15-2012 06:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I know some BE folks think that one of BYU or AFA is saying yes.

Link? You seem to know everything so lets see it.

(11-15-2012 05:51 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:39 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t see the value of UNLV at all. I see their name mentioned as possible western candidates and is there an inside joke that I don’t know anything about?

Aresco has said publically that ND won’t be replaced for basketball, why would the BE want UNLV for football only?

I checked their history and record.

This season 2-9
From 2002-2011 they are 33-86
0 winning seasons during that period
1 season of 6-6 (2003)
6 seasons with 2 wins

What am I missing? What do they bring to the table besides road trips to Vegas?

They are the Memphis of the West. Once Memphis got the invite I think the basis of getting teams that were good at football went out the window.

A) Memphis is playing basketball in the Big East, UNLV wouldn't be
B) Memphis is at least in the footprint of the other all sports members.

(11-15-2012 05:36 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(11-15-2012 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  ...I'd be even more surprised if Air Force *doesn't* join the Big East.

Honestly, I don't think there's much of a backup plan after Air Force.

I've always stated, Either BYU or AFA (in that order, not both), or stay at 13.

Staying at 13 is not an option or very bright.