I don't think any of those schools would leave for the Western Athletic Conference.

(05-26-2012 11:25 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 11:15 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 10:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Other than the CAA schools who could be passing up a lot of basketball tournament credits, why not join the WAC for all sports?

West - Idaho, New Mexico State, Seattle, Denver, Boise State, Utah Valley
East - James Madison, Liberty, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, Delaware

Basketball would only have 3 away games versus the other division with a 16-game schedule. Baseball could use some strategic affiliates to maintain divisional balance, i.e., Cal State-Bakersfield, North Dakota, and Northern Colorado could be added since Denver, Idaho, and Boise state do not have baseball teams. Golf, Track & Field, and a number of other sports pretty much compete as independents prior to their conference championshps anyway.

I suppose I could live with that. Add Sam Houston State and Lamar to the conference and you have a foothold in Texas.

Boise State?

Olympic sports.

(05-21-2012 12:57 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I think it is looking like a real option. Liberty stated that they have been talking to some other FCS schools looking to move up. A lot of folks are using this example:

WAC West
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

You forgot about Cal Poly and Cal Davis in the west, Lamar and Missouri State in the midwest.

WAC West

- Cal Poly
- UC Davis
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
- Lamar
- Missouri State
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

The long shots are JMU, Liberty and ND State.

(05-21-2012 12:55 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  What are the chances of that conference changing its name from WAC (Western Athletic Conference) to EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference) and Coming after these FCS programs like Liberty, JMU, Jax State, App State. Etc.

The WAC is desperate, so they could add some of those teams, but it won't stop NMSU or Idaho from looking for a better double-wide. If anything it will make them work even harder at getting out. Maybe Idaho will ge behind their team and build them a real football venue. But right now they need any warm body they can find, because life without a conference would be near impossible for the two of them.

If they did add some of these teams, the WAC would be more of a scheduling alliance then conference. They would probably get almost no money from a media deal. And any money they did get probably wouldn't even cover their teams travel expenses. I really feel bad for NMSU. I think they really tried to improve their program. It just didn't work out. Idaho is a victim of their own neglect. You can't be content to play in the Kibbie Dome and expect not to get left behind.

(05-27-2012 08:34 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:55 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  What are the chances of that conference changing its name from WAC (Western Athletic Conference) to EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference) and Coming after these FCS programs like Liberty, JMU, Jax State, App State. Etc.

The WAC is desperate, so they could add some of those teams, but it won't stop NMSU or Idaho from looking for a better double-wide. If anything it will make them work even harder at getting out. Maybe Idaho will ge behind their team and build them a real football venue. But right now they need any warm body they can find, because life without a conference would be near impossible for the two of them.

If they did add some of these teams, the WAC would be more of a scheduling alliance then conference. They would probably get almost no money from a media deal. And any money they did get probably wouldn't even cover their teams travel expenses. I really feel bad for NMSU. I think they really tried to improve their program. It just didn't work out. Idaho is a victim of their own neglect. You can't be content to play in the Kibbie Dome and expect not to get left behind.

I agree. The WAC has to include the California teams in order to get any media bump. They need the Sacramento market place as a whole.

I don't think there is a FCS team in California that has the money. I think the higher education system in California is having as much, if not more, trouble than Louisiana.

(05-26-2012 11:15 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 10:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Other than the CAA schools who could be passing up a lot of basketball tournament credits, why not join the WAC for all sports?

West - Idaho, New Mexico State, Seattle, Denver, Boise State, Utah Valley
East - James Madison, Liberty, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, Delaware

Basketball would only have 3 away games versus the other division with a 16-game schedule. Baseball could use some strategic affiliates to maintain divisional balance, i.e., Cal State-Bakersfield, North Dakota, and Northern Colorado could be added since Denver, Idaho, and Boise state do not have baseball teams. Golf, Track & Field, and a number of other sports pretty much compete as independents prior to their conference championshps anyway.

I suppose I could live with that. Add Sam Houston State and Lamar to the conference and you have a foothold in Texas.

Sam Houston had made it to the FCS final game and did not sell out their stadium which seats 14,000. Their facilities are no where close to being FBS caliber.

Lamar is a different story because their attendance average of 14- 15,000 but the football stadium would need an upgrade immediately.

(05-27-2012 08:23 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:57 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I think it is looking like a real option. Liberty stated that they have been talking to some other FCS schools looking to move up. A lot of folks are using this example:

WAC West
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

You forgot about Cal Poly and Cal Davis in the west, Lamar and Missouri State in the midwest.

WAC West

- Cal Poly
- UC Davis
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
- Lamar
- Missouri State
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

The long shots are JMU, Liberty and ND State.

Liberty is not a long shot here. Our AD stated liberty wants to be a cross country school competing in all 50 states. Liberty is a huge proponent of making this happen.

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(05-27-2012 10:29 AM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-27-2012 08:23 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:57 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I think it is looking like a real option. Liberty stated that they have been talking to some other FCS schools looking to move up. A lot of folks are using this example:

WAC West
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

You forgot about Cal Poly and Cal Davis in the west, Lamar and Missouri State in the midwest.

WAC West

- Cal Poly
- UC Davis
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
- Lamar
- Missouri State
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

The long shots are JMU, Liberty and ND State.

Liberty is not a long shot here. Our AD stated liberty wants to be a cross country school competing in all 50 states. Liberty is a huge proponent of making this happen.

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GA Southern seems to be a long shot also based on financial ability to fund at FBS level. Additionally I wonder if NCAA will actually allow so many FCS teams to go FBS in one conference. I have some doubts but if that is what it will take to keep the conference alive the comish has to go for it to preserve his job.

I'd love to see this conference. More teams to play in my NCAA Football video game!

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/foot...on-wac-fbs

"Fullerton told the Idaho Statesman that the WAC contacted six of his schools -- Montana, Montana State, Cal Poly, UC Davis, Sacramento State and Portland State -- and that each turned the ebbing conference down."

(05-27-2012 10:01 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I don't think there is a FCS team in California that has the money. I think the higher education system in California is having as much, if not more, trouble than Louisiana.

Agree . . California is in a budget crisis of mega proportions . . there is no money to throw at something as trivial as upgrading from FCS to FBS.


http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/27/4517626...rbish.html

Most of us in the Golden State agree: California is in crisis.

A state budget deficit eclipsing $15 billion, the nation's third-highest unemployment rate at 10.9 percent, and 2.1 million residents eager but unable to find work.

(05-27-2012 08:23 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:57 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I think it is looking like a real option. Liberty stated that they have been talking to some other FCS schools looking to move up. A lot of folks are using this example:

WAC West
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

You forgot about Cal Poly and Cal Davis in the west, Lamar and Missouri State in the midwest.

WAC West

- Cal Poly
- UC Davis
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
- Lamar
- Missouri State
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

The long shots are JMU, Liberty and ND State.

Considering that
- Cal Poly
- UC Davis
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

All declined WAC invites when Utah State and San Jose State were members and at least some were asked and invited and declined when Nevada and Fresno were members it seems unlikely any are having a change of heart with Idaho and NMSU the only remaining football members.

(05-28-2012 09:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Considering that
- Cal Poly
- UC Davis
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

All declined WAC invites when Utah State and San Jose State were members and at least some were asked and invited and declined when Nevada and Fresno were members it seems unlikely any are having a change of heart with Idaho and NMSU the only remaining football members.

I knew about all the Big Sky teams turning the WAC down, but ND State? I thought they were still on the fence.

(05-21-2012 05:04 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:58 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:57 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  I think it is looking like a real option. Liberty stated that they have been talking to some other FCS schools looking to move up. A lot of folks are using this example:

WAC West
-Idaho
-NMSU
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota State
-Portland State
-Sacramento State

WAC East
-Appalachian State
-Georgia Southern
-JMU
-Liberty
-Delaware
-Jacksonville State
-Youngstown State

On the upside, We would no longer be the worst conference in the eyes of the everyday SEC fan

A conference made up with the 5 best FCS programs in FCS history would quickly become very good on the field.

The Sun Belt needs to add App State and Ga Southern to block this.

Let's try this reply again. I like the SBC and would hope that AppState and Geo. Southern will soon be members. I like the list of WAC east and west schools you listed but its possible that this may not happen as the WAC conference. If a few domino's start to fall on football conference realignment (the ACC). It will eventually effect changes in CUSA and then SBC. CUSA could loose several members an will look to the SBC for replacements. I believe SBC leadership is very aware of this and may be waiting to see how many to replace. It is also possible that they have interest in this WAC EAST conference development and would consider merger. If SBC memberships fall to 7 or 8 and WAC EAST collects 7 to 8 schools you listed above, it would create a conference of 16 to 18 members (including NMSU and UI). The footprint of the WAC EAST schools and the remaining SBC schools would merge nicely. If several Southland Conference were included and more of your list came on board, the league could consist of 20 or more schools. This would allow for 2 divisions with 4 subdivisions. This would minimize travel cost. The time to sell this is now, as FCS upgrades will need to be invited and commit before May 25,2013 to begin the 2 year transition in 2014. NMSU and UI would have to do independent in 2013.

(05-28-2012 06:50 PM)Apptke134 Wrote:  Let's try this reply again. I like the SBC and would hope that AppState and Geo. Southern will soon be members. I like the list of WAC east and west schools you listed but its possible that this may not happen as the WAC conference. If a few domino's start to fall on football conference realignment (the ACC). It will eventually effect changes in CUSA and then SBC. CUSA could loose several members an will look to the SBC for replacements. I believe SBC leadership is very aware of this and may be waiting to see how many to replace. It is also possible that they have interest in this WAC EAST conference development and would consider merger. If SBC memberships fall to 7 or 8 and WAC EAST collects 7 to 8 schools you listed above, it would create a conference of 16 to 18 members (including NMSU and UI). The footprint of the WAC EAST schools and the remaining SBC schools would merge nicely. If several Southland Conference were included and more of your list came on board, the league could consist of 20 or more schools. This would allow for 2 divisions with 4 subdivisions. This would minimize travel cost. The time to sell this is now, as FCS upgrades will need to be invited and commit before May 25,2013 to begin the 2 year transition in 2014. NMSU and UI would have to do independent in 2013.

Geo. Southern?