My opposition was with Georgia Southern moving up before Liberty, not so much App State moving up before Liberty. Now that the Sun Belt is not expanding the conversation is over, but had the Sun Belt taken Ga Southern and App State I would have questioned it extensively. Yes I am a Christian, believe in God, believe Jesus died for my sins, love everyone, etc. I do not see however how that should stop me from simply presenting facts as to why Liberty is a better FBS option than GA Southern, and even in some cases a better FBS option than App State. Nothing about me being a Christian says I cannot argue with opposing fans with differing opinions by presenting facts in the argument.

(05-23-2012 06:10 PM)TitanTopper Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 05:53 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(05-23-2012 08:31 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 01:59 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 01:43 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  Don't be so insecure. If this happened and then the SBC needed to add two, they could still get ApSt and GaSo from the WAC - with the added benefit that they would already be "FBS" programs and not FCS move-ups.

I still don't understand this. Texas State has been out of FCS for 1 whole year, so YAY they're an FBS team! I'm not picking on Texas State, just making a point.

Would it help if Ga Southern and App moved up as independents for a year? We'd be FBS then, so no more stigma!

I realize we can't do that due to NCAA bylaws, but the point stands. FBS for 1 or 2 years might as well be FCS, so why the hate?

There is a moratorium on moving up as an independent, thanks to TROY!

With the prospect of a moratorium and the Sunbelt holding at 10, look for the WAC East discussions to heat up. Sure hope the SB makes a move, but a new conference of the Western WAC teams and Eastern teams of Ga Southern, App State, JMU, Liberty, Jax State etc certainly has a lot of potential on the field. The two most successful FCS teams in history, 10 FCS national championships, a team that beat #5 Michigan, a team that knocked off a #10 Va Tech that went undefeated in the ACC, a team that knocked off Ole Miss and the BYU of the East certainly has a lot of potential. There is definitely not any dead weight there in terms of actual football teams. Interesting to see how things will play out.

YOU GO...GIRLS!!

If we add Indiana State to the list will you be more impressed?

Jeff Caves (Sports Talk Show Host 93.1 The Ticket The FM sports station specializing in Boise State Football Boise, Idaho · http://ktik.com/Article.asp?id=601349) on Twitter:

Quote:Sun Belt commish Karl Benson said Jax St, Ga Southern, Liberty, App St looked into joining Sun Belt and now will explore WAC fb membership

I have felt since Liberty's FBS announcement 2 wks ago from some comments that this is where we were headed. But will enough FCS schools go?

(05-21-2012 12:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:55 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  What are the chances of that conference changing its name from WAC (Western Athletic Conference) to EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference) and Coming after these FCS programs like Liberty, JMU, Jax State, App State. Etc.

I doubt they change their name, but forming an eastern division is something that's been bandied about. I would be surprised if it actually happens.

I think it will have a lot of interest for the schools that may be members ...if... They have a good feel for the possible $$$.

(05-23-2012 08:41 PM)BkGold Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 12:55 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  What are the chances of that conference changing its name from WAC (Western Athletic Conference) to EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference) and Coming after these FCS programs like Liberty, JMU, Jax State, App State. Etc.

I doubt they change their name, but forming an eastern division is something that's been bandied about. I would be surprised if it actually happens.

I think it will have a lot of interest for the schools that may be members ...if... They have a good feel for the possible $$$.

Keep the name the same WAC just change from WAC ( Western Athletic Conference) to WAC (Western Atlantic Conference)

(05-24-2012 06:40 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Keep the name the same WAC just change from WAC ( Western Athletic Conference) to WAC (Western Atlantic Conference)

Brilliant. Cheers for you sir!

(05-24-2012 06:41 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:40 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Keep the name the same WAC just change from WAC ( Western Athletic Conference) to WAC (Western Atlantic Conference)

Brilliant. Cheers for you sir!

perfect

Just wondering, does anyone think that this WAC talk could be shut down by the Sun Belt deciding to add NMSU and ApSt? Seems that without those two key schools, this effort would be pointless.

(05-24-2012 11:29 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  Just wondering, does anyone think that this WAC talk could be shut down by the Sun Belt deciding to add NMSU and ApSt? Seems that without those two key schools, this effort would be pointless.

We aren't adding NMSU.

I didn't listen to the linked radio interview with Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson, but according to this on the App St. board. Benson indicated the following:

- Sun Belt is done expanding from now and even called App St., Idaho, NMSU, and Georgia Southern to let them know they wouldn't get an invite and should look elsewhere.

- He says its not the FBS teams that want the moratorium so much as the other FCS teams who don't want any more FCS teams to make the jump. Moratorium gaining steam and increased "sense of urgency" for teams wanting to make the jump.

- Mentions WAC eastern front idea is in talks but needs an NCAA waiver but that the NCAA could possibly provide the waiver.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/appstate/...sg=39952.1

(05-24-2012 11:41 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I didn't listen to the linked radio interview with Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson, but according to this on the App St. board. Benson indicated the following:

- Sun Belt is done expanding from now and even called App St., Idaho, NMSU, and Georgia Southern to let them know they wouldn't get an invite and should look elsewhere.

- He says its not the FBS teams that want the moratorium so much as the other FCS teams who don't want any more FCS teams to make the jump. Moratorium gaining steam and increased "sense of urgency" for teams wanting to make the jump.

- Mentions WAC eastern front idea is in talks but needs an NCAA waiver but that the NCAA could possibly provide the waiver.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/appstate/...sg=39952.1

Wait a second, the NCAA is going to grant waivers to at least SIX teams exempting them from about HALF of the FBS requirents for at least TWO consecutive years to allow them to move up. And this is going to happen against the wishes of the majority of FCS schools and a quickly growing number of current FBS schools as well? Im guess the folks who think this is going to happen also invest heavily in the Lotto as the Lotto gives them better odds of a jackpot!

(05-24-2012 12:33 PM)VideoGreenEagle Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 11:41 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I didn't listen to the linked radio interview with Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson, but according to this on the App St. board. Benson indicated the following:

- Sun Belt is done expanding from now and even called App St., Idaho, NMSU, and Georgia Southern to let them know they wouldn't get an invite and should look elsewhere.

- He says its not the FBS teams that want the moratorium so much as the other FCS teams who don't want any more FCS teams to make the jump. Moratorium gaining steam and increased "sense of urgency" for teams wanting to make the jump.

- Mentions WAC eastern front idea is in talks but needs an NCAA waiver but that the NCAA could possibly provide the waiver.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/appstate/...sg=39952.1

Wait a second, the NCAA is going to grant waivers to at least SIX teams exempting them from about HALF of the FBS requirents for at least TWO consecutive years to allow them to move up. And this is going to happen against the wishes of the majority of FCS schools and a quickly growing number of current FBS schools as well? Im guess the folks who think this is going to happen also invest heavily in the Lotto as the Lotto gives them better odds of a jackpot!

I don't support it either, was just passing on the information.

.

(05-23-2012 08:31 AM)knucklehead Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 01:59 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(05-22-2012 01:43 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 05:15 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 05:12 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I know we're the new guys here, and it's just my 2 cents, but I don't want to add App St. & Ga So. just to "block" what some other conference wants to do. I want to add the best programs we can for the overall growth/development of the Sun Belt Conference . . .

Which is exactly what you would get. You block the WAC East and you get the two best programs available in the footprint. Two birds with one stone.

Don't be so insecure. If this happened and then the SBC needed to add two, they could still get ApSt and GaSo from the WAC - with the added benefit that they would already be "FBS" programs and not FCS move-ups.

I still don't understand this. Texas State has been out of FCS for 1 whole year, so YAY they're an FBS team! I'm not picking on Texas State, just making a point.

Would it help if Ga Southern and App moved up as independents for a year? We'd be FBS then, so no more stigma!

I realize we can't do that due to NCAA bylaws, but the point stands. FBS for 1 or 2 years might as well be FCS, so why the hate?

There is a moratorium on moving up as an independent, thanks to TROY!

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(05-24-2012 12:41 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 12:33 PM)VideoGreenEagle Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 11:41 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I didn't listen to the linked radio interview with Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson, but according to this on the App St. board. Benson indicated the following:

- Sun Belt is done expanding from now and even called App St., Idaho, NMSU, and Georgia Southern to let them know they wouldn't get an invite and should look elsewhere.

- He says its not the FBS teams that want the moratorium so much as the other FCS teams who don't want any more FCS teams to make the jump. Moratorium gaining steam and increased "sense of urgency" for teams wanting to make the jump.

- Mentions WAC eastern front idea is in talks but needs an NCAA waiver but that the NCAA could possibly provide the waiver.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/appstate/...sg=39952.1

Wait a second, the NCAA is going to grant waivers to at least SIX teams exempting them from about HALF of the FBS requirents for at least TWO consecutive years to allow them to move up. And this is going to happen against the wishes of the majority of FCS schools and a quickly growing number of current FBS schools as well? Im guess the folks who think this is going to happen also invest heavily in the Lotto as the Lotto gives them better odds of a jackpot!

I don't support it either, was just passing on the information.

.

I didnt mean to imply you necessarily approved of the idea

(05-21-2012 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 01:17 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 01:13 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 01:10 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 01:06 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  Just another thought here.

Lets say the moratorium DOES go into effect for 10 years and those schools make a jump and the WAC forms an eastern divsion.

They may of done the hard work for the SBC then.

So if in 2 years the Big 4 start the raiding and the trickle down begins, we could simply invite who we wanted to from the WAC and strengthen our locations. Im sure App and GS would JUMP at the chance to get into a regional confrence at that point and they would no longer have the stigma of being a FBS startup.

Dont count on it, those schools would be in east west division, have alot of history between them, and in the east would already average more than the Sun Belt in attendance.

What FCS program averages 30k like UL, or 27k like ASU???

App 29,00 reg season, JMU over 26,000, all of those FCS schools have great attendance, and at the FCS level to boot.

Average the SB highs with the SB lows and your not near those two highs you listed.

I'd be interested to see what consecutive losing seasons does to the attendance at App and JMU, something that hasn't occurred in nearly a decade at JMU and nearly three decades at App.

It's a common mistake among FCS fans to think their attendance can only increase at the FBS level. You better keep winning.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2011.pdf

2011
Louisiana - 29,171
Ark St. - 21,257
App. St. - 26,211
JMU - 25,002

Would like to see App. St. in SBC. Would be competitive.

Appalachian State getting left out of expansion is a bummer. They are probably the most attractive FCS school from a major-sports standpoint. They may not be in a huge market, but Troy proved that you don't need to be in a big market to be good and become known.

Other than the CAA schools who could be passing up a lot of basketball tournament credits, why not join the WAC for all sports?

West - Idaho, New Mexico State, Seattle, Denver, Boise State, Utah Valley
East - James Madison, Liberty, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, Delaware

Basketball would only have 3 away games versus the other division with a 16-game schedule. Baseball could use some strategic affiliates to maintain divisional balance, i.e., Cal State-Bakersfield, North Dakota, and Northern Colorado could be added since Denver, Idaho, and Boise state do not have baseball teams. Golf, Track & Field, and a number of other sports pretty much compete as independents prior to their conference championshps anyway.

(05-26-2012 10:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Other than the CAA schools who could be passing up a lot of basketball tournament credits, why not join the WAC for all sports?

West - Idaho, New Mexico State, Seattle, Denver, Boise State, Utah Valley
East - James Madison, Liberty, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, Delaware

Basketball would only have 3 away games versus the other division with a 16-game schedule. Baseball could use some strategic affiliates to maintain divisional balance, i.e., Cal State-Bakersfield, North Dakota, and Northern Colorado could be added since Denver, Idaho, and Boise state do not have baseball teams. Golf, Track & Field, and a number of other sports pretty much compete as independents prior to their conference championshps anyway.

I suppose I could live with that. Add Sam Houston State and Lamar to the conference and you have a foothold in Texas.

(05-26-2012 11:15 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 10:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Other than the CAA schools who could be passing up a lot of basketball tournament credits, why not join the WAC for all sports?

West - Idaho, New Mexico State, Seattle, Denver, Boise State, Utah Valley
East - James Madison, Liberty, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, Delaware

Basketball would only have 3 away games versus the other division with a 16-game schedule. Baseball could use some strategic affiliates to maintain divisional balance, i.e., Cal State-Bakersfield, North Dakota, and Northern Colorado could be added since Denver, Idaho, and Boise state do not have baseball teams. Golf, Track & Field, and a number of other sports pretty much compete as independents prior to their conference championshps anyway.

I suppose I could live with that. Add Sam Houston State and Lamar to the conference and you have a foothold in Texas.

Boise State?

(05-26-2012 11:15 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 10:08 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Other than the CAA schools who could be passing up a lot of basketball tournament credits, why not join the WAC for all sports?

West - Idaho, New Mexico State, Seattle, Denver, Boise State, Utah Valley
East - James Madison, Liberty, Georgia Southern, Appalachian State, Jacksonville State, Delaware

Basketball would only have 3 away games versus the other division with a 16-game schedule. Baseball could use some strategic affiliates to maintain divisional balance, i.e., Cal State-Bakersfield, North Dakota, and Northern Colorado could be added since Denver, Idaho, and Boise state do not have baseball teams. Golf, Track & Field, and a number of other sports pretty much compete as independents prior to their conference championshps anyway.

I suppose I could live with that. Add Sam Houston State and Lamar to the conference and you have a foothold in Texas.

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