(04-30-2012 09:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:36 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...

burn.

Ive got this pet peeve about fans of other conferences telling us how to run our league. At least App and Southern fans are sensible, and have a vested interest in the may get an invitiation. But why on earth would an Arkansas fan care about our expansion hopefuls.

That and ASU fans will never get over the ULM contract.

I don't really care about your peeves. I have several friends that have went to ASU and one of them happens to be a Professor their now. So I have more than just a little interest in ASU and the SunBelt.

As for the ULM contract. It was a good deal for both programs. Why can't you just be happy that a BCS program helped one of your conference mates?

(04-30-2012 10:19 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 10:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:55 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:30 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Which is why adding Ga Southern and App State which are traditional football powers with great tradition and fan support could help elevate the Sun Belt above the CUSA in terms of RPI. The state of Georgia had 165 athletes sign FBS scholarships and UGA and Tech only signed 35. Ga Southern will be loaded with talent as an FBS team, and having two Georgia teams in the Sun Belt will give the conference more press in GA which will improve recruiting for the rest of the SB in GA. There is plenty of talent to go around for everyone. The CUSA does not have a team in GA which will hurt their recruiting here. Great opportunity for the SB and I think Benson sees it.

It sounds good when you write it down, but nobody on earth outside of the two programs you mentioned would trade UNT and FIU for a couple of FCS move ups. As good as you think App State and GSU are, nobody has every heard of them and they will come in and lose and lose badly in a much improved Sun Belt at least for a few years.

We'll be fine, although I am sure we would take our lumps early on. We handled ourselves much, much better than North Texas against Bama last year. I am sure all of the current CUSA would have just bent over for Bama and taken their punishment.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_st...--Southern

I am sure they were really up for that game two weeks after losing to LSU...Pretty sure UNT would stomp a mudhole in Georgia Southern, although I must admit, I have never heard of Georgia Southern until this week....

Georgia Southern is probably the best option team in the country. They ran for 300+ yards against Alabama last year. Granted that the crimson tide probably didn't play up to their usual intensity, but what GSU did was really impressive nonetheless. In short, you got it the other way, Georgia Southern would've stomped a mudhole in UNT.

On another note, now that TxSt is coming I personally would love to have Georgia Southern and Appalachian State on board. If Western Kentucky only took 3 years to go 7-5, then expect either one of these fine schools to do it in 2.

As far as TxSt is concerned, I expect to win one or two WAC conference games but overall we are going to get our butts kicked. I have no illusions on that, but by 2013 we should have enough talent to sneak up on a few of you guys.

UT-Arlington? I friggin' hate our commissioner right now. We are not desperate for members. No offense to UT-Arlington (what is their mascot even?) but this add blows. And NMSU? Seriously? I thought we were trying to make money, not lose it. If these two adds are true then I'll be very disappointed.

(04-30-2012 10:51 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  UT-Arlington? I friggin' hate our commissioner right now. We are not desperate for members. No offense to UT-Arlington (what is their mascot even?) but this add blows. And NMSU? Seriously? I thought we were trying to make money, not lose it. If these two adds are true then I'll be very disappointed.

There is some concern that App may be backing off.

(04-30-2012 10:51 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  UT-Arlington? I friggin' hate our commissioner right now. We are not desperate for members. No offense to UT-Arlington (what is their mascot even?) but this add blows. And NMSU? Seriously? I thought we were trying to make money, not lose it. If these two adds are true then I'll be very disappointed.

If these rumors come to fruition then I think we'll cement our place as the worst FBS conference...

(04-30-2012 10:46 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:36 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...

burn.

Ive got this pet peeve about fans of other conferences telling us how to run our league. At least App and Southern fans are sensible, and have a vested interest in the may get an invitiation. But why on earth would an Arkansas fan care about our expansion hopefuls.

That and ASU fans will never get over the ULM contract.

As for the ULM contract. It was a good deal for both programs. Why can't you just be happy that a BCS program helped one of your conference mates?

It was classless.

(04-30-2012 10:51 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  UT-Arlington? I friggin' hate our commissioner right now. We are not desperate for members. No offense to UT-Arlington (what is their mascot even?) but this add blows. And NMSU? Seriously? I thought we were trying to make money, not lose it. If these two adds are true then I'll be very disappointed.

At the non-aq level TV money is peanuts especially when compared to basketball credits, and NMSU can certainly help in that regard. TxSt certainly won't help in basketball until we get rid our coach that we which hopefully will be just in time for our first season in the SBC.

(04-30-2012 11:01 PM)txstatebobcat Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 10:51 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  UT-Arlington? I friggin' hate our commissioner right now. We are not desperate for members. No offense to UT-Arlington (what is their mascot even?) but this add blows. And NMSU? Seriously? I thought we were trying to make money, not lose it. If these two adds are true then I'll be very disappointed.

At the non-aq level TV money is peanuts especially when compared to basketball credits, and NMSU can certainly help in that regard. TxSt certainly won't help in basketball until we get rid our coach that we which hopefully will be just in time for our first season in the SBC.

I'm indifferent about Texas State. But I'm not in favor of NMSU. We are just getting to the point of having a compact conference that is getting better. So what do we do? Add the farthest possible school, well second fathest after Idaho, to get a football program that has annually been one of the worst FBS programs. I don't care to add UT-Arlington. It seems we are adding them for Texas State and we shouldn't cater to a school who isn't even a member yet. We didn't even get another Texas team for UNT. Come on now. These are weak moves that will make the Sun Belt weaker, NOT stronger.

(04-30-2012 11:01 PM)txstatebobcat Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 10:51 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  UT-Arlington? I friggin' hate our commissioner right now. We are not desperate for members. No offense to UT-Arlington (what is their mascot even?) but this add blows. And NMSU? Seriously? I thought we were trying to make money, not lose it. If these two adds are true then I'll be very disappointed.

At the non-aq level TV money is peanuts especially when compared to basketball credits, and NMSU can certainly help in that regard. TxSt certainly won't help in basketball until we get rid our coach that we which hopefully will be just in time for our first season in the SBC.

From NMSU board (who knows if it's true):

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=242&f=2377&t=8956455

The Truth
We can stop blaming UNM and UTEP for not being invited to MWC or CUSA. NMSU has outright said that they are not willing to put the extra $2 Million into their operating budget for athletics and more specifically football to bring their sports on par with MWC/CUSA schools. We can only blame ourselves. Our school just isn't committed to athletics.Just to let you know that the school had internal talks about dropping down to D-2. No lie but luckily those talks didn't go anywhere. I'm telling you guys. It's a mess. And if you want to know where I heard this from then inbox me and I'll tell you.

People in the DFW know who UTA is and they are the "Mavericks." They have pretty decent basketball program and I think their new arena will rival some in the conference as the best basketball facility. Other than that, I'm going to miss you guys.

I think it's all just a matter of geography. East based SBC schools can't see the value in western additions and vice versa for western based schools. The reality of it all is that once its all said and done the east and west divisions will be compact and filled with tough competition. Further, we will have satisfied the market quest that is all the rave these days. If we can go with 8 conference games in football and 4 OOC games, all will be fine. As for Olympic sports, a push will be made to limit the distance issue to where extreme trips will only take place every 2-3 years.

(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Don't get out of Dallas much, huh? That's ok. You should still know that ou gets more market than a&m. Probably Texas tech too. But you've probably only lived in Dallas a couple of weeks and not had a chance to explore the dfw area. That's ok too. It can be a large and overwhelming place for someone from the hilltop.

Smu is a skidmark in Dallas media. Too disgustingly rich and private to be taken seriously. They should belong to the ivy league. No one identifies with those pricks and that's why they have no fans. The classy money is at tcu.

(04-30-2012 11:46 PM)MagNTX Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Don't get out of Dallas much, huh? That's ok. You should still know that ou gets more market than a&m. Probably Texas tech too. But you've probably only lived in Dallas a couple of weeks and not had a chance to explore the dfw area. That's ok too. It can be a large and overwhelming place for someone from the hilltop.

Smu is a skidmark in Dallas media. Too disgustingly rich and private to be taken seriously. They should belong to the ivy league. No one identifies with those pricks and that's why they have no fans. The classy money is at tcu.

When I lived there in the '80's all they talked about was SMU, SMU, SMU 24 hours a day.

(04-30-2012 11:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 11:46 PM)MagNTX Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Don't get out of Dallas much, huh? That's ok. You should still know that ou gets more market than a&m. Probably Texas tech too. But you've probably only lived in Dallas a couple of weeks and not had a chance to explore the dfw area. That's ok too. It can be a large and overwhelming place for someone from the hilltop.

Smu is a skidmark in Dallas media. Too disgustingly rich and private to be taken seriously. They should belong to the ivy league. No one identifies with those pricks and that's why they have no fans. The classy money is at tcu.

When I lived there in the '80's all they talked about was SMU, SMU, SMU 24 hours a day.

And then justice was served and they were banished.

(04-30-2012 11:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 11:46 PM)MagNTX Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Don't get out of Dallas much, huh? That's ok. You should still know that ou gets more market than a&m. Probably Texas tech too. But you've probably only lived in Dallas a couple of weeks and not had a chance to explore the dfw area. That's ok too. It can be a large and overwhelming place for someone from the hilltop.

Smu is a skidmark in Dallas media. Too disgustingly rich and private to be taken seriously. They should belong to the ivy league. No one identifies with those pricks and that's why they have no fans. The classy money is at tcu.

When I lived there in the '80's all they talked about was SMU, SMU, SMU 24 hours a day.

Well... in the 80's SMU had a few problems... You know... the death penalty thing...

Since then SMU is only a rockstar in their own mind. DFW does not back the ponies and as poor as their stated attendance was, their actual numbers were closer to half that..

Guys seriously you are aware UTA would be a good addition for terrible basketball. I love football but anything outside the chosen six are always going to be second class citizens with no chance to every play on fair ground. It's not an ideal add but you have to admit the Sun Belt has been terrible at basketball. Adding TxSt, UTA, and Georgia State is a good step in the right direction.

I think UTA is a really good pickup honestly. As long as NMSU is not chosen as well. (no hate against them other than where they are located)

UTA is a good pickup. But NMSU is intolerable.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...y/18911274

Nothing earth shattering here but confirms what many have already stated:

Quote:The addition of Texas State and Georgia State is to offset the losses of North Texas and Florida International, which CBSSports.com reported are moving to Conference USA in 2013.

The Sun Belt also is expected to add Texas-Arlington, which will compete in the WAC in 2012, as an Olympic sports member, giving the Sun Belt 10 football schools in 2013 and 12 overall members, including Arkansas-Little Rock and Texas-Arlington.

Other schools that could join the Sun Belt in the coming years include Appalachian State, Georgia Southern and Old Domininon. However, ODU and Charlotte could be headed to Conference USA.

(05-01-2012 08:05 AM)asumike83 Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...y/18911274

Nothing earth shattering here but confirms what many have already stated:

Quote:The addition of Texas State and Georgia State is to offset the losses of North Texas and Florida International, which CBSSports.com reported are moving to Conference USA in 2013.

The Sun Belt also is expected to add Texas-Arlington, which will compete in the WAC in 2012, as an Olympic sports member, giving the Sun Belt 10 football schools in 2013 and 12 overall members, including Arkansas-Little Rock and Texas-Arlington.

Other schools that could join the Sun Belt in the coming years include Appalachian State, Georgia Southern and Old Domininon. However, ODU and Charlotte could be headed to Conference USA.

If App state turn down an invite then I think ODU would be the next best option.