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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...
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(04-30-2012 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...

03-lmfao burn.
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(04-30-2012 09:28 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
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(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC
I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.
Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.
The argument for markets is driven by the networks. If the SBC can secure 5% of the viewership of the 2m households in the metroplex, it will have secured around 100,000 television sets. Name another metro area in the SBC where a similar argument can be made. There is a reason why all of the other conferences wanted into that area...why should th SBC be immune to that?

If you're right and I'm wrong about markets being important this was a great add. It could, over time nullify the advantage CUSA gets with UNT. And UNT did win 23 games last year in basketball. Im not jazzed about this though.
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 09:36 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...

03-lmfao burn.

Ive got this pet peeve about fans of other conferences telling us how to run our league. At least App and Southern fans are sensible, and have a vested interest in the may get an invitiation. But why on earth would an Arkansas fan care about our expansion hopefuls.

That and ASU fans will never get over the ULM contract.
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What's next? We sever relations with Hot Springs and move the basketball tournament to Fort Worth? Hooray!
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 09:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:36 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...

03-lmfao burn.

Ive got this pet peeve about fans of other conferences telling us how to run our league. At least App and Southern fans are sensible, and have a vested interest in the may get an invitiation. But why on earth would an Arkansas fan care about our expansion hopefuls.

That and ASU fans will never get over the ULM contract.

It is time for the Razorbacks to get over their snobbishness and play ASU. Heck, LSU is not afraid to play ULM, ULL and Tech.
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(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

You forgot Oklahoma and the Razorbacks, they get some love up there too. I agree that UTA will not get much love. However, it puts us in a place to recruit players from Dallas Fort Worth and sell TV on the promise of a market. UTSA is not the darling of San Antonio nor is Georgia Southern the Belle of Atlanta. However, when Karl goes to ESPN, he can say that his league is in x,y,and z markets. That's been the point of every move so far.

Texas A&M wasn't great, but the SEC wanted a Texas market.
SMU wasn't great, but the Big East want the Dallas Market.
SJSU wasn't great, but Mountain West wants the Bay Area market
UTSA is brand new, but CUSA wants the San Antonio market
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(04-30-2012 09:44 PM)MTowho Wrote:  What's next? We sever relations with Hot Springs and move the basketball tournament to Fort Worth? Hooray!

Everything I hear is that we will be moving the basketball tournament closer to the Memphis/Birmingham/Nashville area. Adding one Western team doesnt change that.

If we added Idaho...then there would be reason to worry.
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 09:30 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Which is why adding Ga Southern and App State which are traditional football powers with great tradition and fan support could help elevate the Sun Belt above the CUSA in terms of RPI. The state of Georgia had 165 athletes sign FBS scholarships and UGA and Tech only signed 35. Ga Southern will be loaded with talent as an FBS team, and having two Georgia teams in the Sun Belt will give the conference more press in GA which will improve recruiting for the rest of the SB in GA. There is plenty of talent to go around for everyone. The CUSA does not have a team in GA which will hurt their recruiting here. Great opportunity for the SB and I think Benson sees it.

It sounds good when you write it down, but nobody on earth outside of the two programs you mentioned would trade UNT and FIU for a couple of FCS move ups. As good as you think App State and GSU are, nobody has every heard of them and they will come in and lose and lose badly in a much improved Sun Belt at least for a few years.
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 09:48 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:36 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...

03-lmfao burn.

Ive got this pet peeve about fans of other conferences telling us how to run our league. At least App and Southern fans are sensible, and have a vested interest in the may get an invitiation. But why on earth would an Arkansas fan care about our expansion hopefuls.

That and ASU fans will never get over the ULM contract.

It is time for the Razorbacks to get over their snobbishness and play ASU. Heck, LSU is not afraid to play ULM, ULL and Tech.

Many of our fans have gotten over it and do not want to play them unless it is in a bowl game.

The stupid policy was intended to harm us and keep us down but it has forced us to be self-reliant, scrappy, and not anybody's little brother. We found out we didn't need a game with them.

We weren't supposed to be a "university" but we are. We weren't supposed to have doctoral programs but we do. We were not supposed to be FBS but we are. We weren't supposed to be a "system" but we are. Opposition at every step....yet here we are anyway.
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I disagree, I think people know the name App State.
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 09:55 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:30 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Which is why adding Ga Southern and App State which are traditional football powers with great tradition and fan support could help elevate the Sun Belt above the CUSA in terms of RPI. The state of Georgia had 165 athletes sign FBS scholarships and UGA and Tech only signed 35. Ga Southern will be loaded with talent as an FBS team, and having two Georgia teams in the Sun Belt will give the conference more press in GA which will improve recruiting for the rest of the SB in GA. There is plenty of talent to go around for everyone. The CUSA does not have a team in GA which will hurt their recruiting here. Great opportunity for the SB and I think Benson sees it.

It sounds good when you write it down, but nobody on earth outside of the two programs you mentioned would trade UNT and FIU for a couple of FCS move ups. As good as you think App State and GSU are, nobody has every heard of them and they will come in and lose and lose badly in a much improved Sun Belt at least for a few years.

I wouldn't trade UNT....but I would trade FIU....and apparently have.
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 09:55 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:30 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Which is why adding Ga Southern and App State which are traditional football powers with great tradition and fan support could help elevate the Sun Belt above the CUSA in terms of RPI. The state of Georgia had 165 athletes sign FBS scholarships and UGA and Tech only signed 35. Ga Southern will be loaded with talent as an FBS team, and having two Georgia teams in the Sun Belt will give the conference more press in GA which will improve recruiting for the rest of the SB in GA. There is plenty of talent to go around for everyone. The CUSA does not have a team in GA which will hurt their recruiting here. Great opportunity for the SB and I think Benson sees it.

It sounds good when you write it down, but nobody on earth outside of the two programs you mentioned would trade UNT and FIU for a couple of FCS move ups. As good as you think App State and GSU are, nobody has every heard of them and they will come in and lose and lose badly in a much improved Sun Belt at least for a few years.

We'll be fine, although I am sure we would take our lumps early on. We handled ourselves much, much better than North Texas against Bama last year. I am sure all of the current CUSA would have just bent over for Bama and taken their punishment.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_st...--Southern
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 09:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:36 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...

03-lmfao burn.

Ive got this pet peeve about fans of other conferences telling us how to run our league. At least App and Southern fans are sensible, and have a vested interest in the may get an invitiation. But why on earth would an Arkansas fan care about our expansion hopefuls.

That and ASU fans will never get over the ULM contract.
I think it is 'ok' for him to post his thoughts, and people visit for other reasons.

Do you have any real world contact with fans, coaches or administrators at ASU? Unfortunately I do, and saying I'm not interested in the subject simply has not worked.

I have found that visiting these message boards is a good way of catching up on what is going on in their world. It enables me to engage in conversations with people about a things they are very interested in and that is a plus for my social life when I'm in Jonesboro . In Arkansas you better be able to talk about sports (especially college football) or hunting/fishing, and it really does not matter if you like the subjects or not.
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(04-30-2012 10:07 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:36 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:34 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  What the SunBelt needs to do is try and lure ECU over. UT-A would suck for all sport invite.

I was thinking about adding Arkansas. You guys already play most of us in nonconference anyway...

03-lmfao burn.

Ive got this pet peeve about fans of other conferences telling us how to run our league. At least App and Southern fans are sensible, and have a vested interest in the may get an invitiation. But why on earth would an Arkansas fan care about our expansion hopefuls.

That and ASU fans will never get over the ULM contract.
I think it is 'ok' for him to post his thoughts, and people visit for other reasons.

Do you have any real world contact with fans, coaches or administrators at ASU? Unfortunately I do, and saying I'm not interested in the subject simply has not worked.

I have found that visiting these message boards is a good way of catching up on what is going on in their world. It enables me to engage in conversations with people about a things they are very interested in and that is a plus for my social life when I'm in Jonesboro .

What on earth does this have to do with Arkansas fans talking about who the SBC should expand with.
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Well if markets ARE important, and I'd rather have a better product than play the market game, this round of realignment doesn't look bad at all. Lost two teams but still in both areas we lost schools. Added Atlanta and a Texas program between Austin and San Antonio. Say what you will about Karl Benson, he DID sell a fantastic tv deal when he was WAC commissioner.

I like Texas State (please do something about that nutty basketball arena- whats up with that wall?) but everything else is just either potential. I'd rather have added App State. But we'll work with what we have. As we've always done.
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Whats next Texas Hyphen Hyphen Tech St?.....So sick of all of this conf. realignment....None of this makes sense....All of this for 5 percent of the TV market in Dallas? I bet 95 percent IN Dallas has never heard of Texas Alington U.....We do not belong in this mess with about 3 or 4 other universities who are members...This is just adding teams for the hell of it and does not make any sense what so ever..Is their a Div. III team we can add in Houston too that might play football in 2030?....And why would CUSA want FIU with their 20 people who go to their basketball games..I am sure in Miami they rank dead last on the totem pole of sports and this coming from a town that does not even support their professional teams not named Miami Heat...
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 10:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:55 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:30 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:05 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Arlington keeps the league in Dallas. They have a brand new arena, large student body 30k, emerging research institution, and they were discussing adding Football as part of their admission to the WAC

I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Which is why adding Ga Southern and App State which are traditional football powers with great tradition and fan support could help elevate the Sun Belt above the CUSA in terms of RPI. The state of Georgia had 165 athletes sign FBS scholarships and UGA and Tech only signed 35. Ga Southern will be loaded with talent as an FBS team, and having two Georgia teams in the Sun Belt will give the conference more press in GA which will improve recruiting for the rest of the SB in GA. There is plenty of talent to go around for everyone. The CUSA does not have a team in GA which will hurt their recruiting here. Great opportunity for the SB and I think Benson sees it.

It sounds good when you write it down, but nobody on earth outside of the two programs you mentioned would trade UNT and FIU for a couple of FCS move ups. As good as you think App State and GSU are, nobody has every heard of them and they will come in and lose and lose badly in a much improved Sun Belt at least for a few years.

We'll be fine, although I am sure we would take our lumps early on. We handled ourselves much, much better than North Texas against Bama last year. I am sure all of the current CUSA would have just bent over for Bama and taken their punishment.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_st...--Southern

I am sure they were really up for that game two weeks after losing to LSU...Pretty sure UNT would stomp a mudhole in Georgia Southern, although I must admit, I have never heard of Georgia Southern until this week....
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 10:19 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 10:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:55 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:30 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:21 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  I live in Dallas...the only college teams that have any market share are Texas, A&M and maybe SMU. UNT gets no press now and won't in CUSA because its a pro sports town + UT and A&M.

Why does the SBC need to keep the Dallas market. No extra $$$ will come because of Dallas. The SBC needs good programs more than large markets.

This same thinking is about to water down CUSA...

Which is why adding Ga Southern and App State which are traditional football powers with great tradition and fan support could help elevate the Sun Belt above the CUSA in terms of RPI. The state of Georgia had 165 athletes sign FBS scholarships and UGA and Tech only signed 35. Ga Southern will be loaded with talent as an FBS team, and having two Georgia teams in the Sun Belt will give the conference more press in GA which will improve recruiting for the rest of the SB in GA. There is plenty of talent to go around for everyone. The CUSA does not have a team in GA which will hurt their recruiting here. Great opportunity for the SB and I think Benson sees it.

It sounds good when you write it down, but nobody on earth outside of the two programs you mentioned would trade UNT and FIU for a couple of FCS move ups. As good as you think App State and GSU are, nobody has every heard of them and they will come in and lose and lose badly in a much improved Sun Belt at least for a few years.

We'll be fine, although I am sure we would take our lumps early on. We handled ourselves much, much better than North Texas against Bama last year. I am sure all of the current CUSA would have just bent over for Bama and taken their punishment.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_st...--Southern

I am sure they were really up for that game two weeks after losing to LSU...Pretty sure UNT would stomp a mudhole in Georgia Southern, although I must admit, I have never heard of Georgia Southern until this week....

At least you are honest in that you don't know much about anything. Looking at your avatar not sure you even know who your own team is. Apparently, you do root for U of CUSA though.
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RE: WTH UT-Arlington....
(04-30-2012 10:25 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
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(04-30-2012 10:02 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:55 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  
(04-30-2012 09:30 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Which is why adding Ga Southern and App State which are traditional football powers with great tradition and fan support could help elevate the Sun Belt above the CUSA in terms of RPI. The state of Georgia had 165 athletes sign FBS scholarships and UGA and Tech only signed 35. Ga Southern will be loaded with talent as an FBS team, and having two Georgia teams in the Sun Belt will give the conference more press in GA which will improve recruiting for the rest of the SB in GA. There is plenty of talent to go around for everyone. The CUSA does not have a team in GA which will hurt their recruiting here. Great opportunity for the SB and I think Benson sees it.

It sounds good when you write it down, but nobody on earth outside of the two programs you mentioned would trade UNT and FIU for a couple of FCS move ups. As good as you think App State and GSU are, nobody has every heard of them and they will come in and lose and lose badly in a much improved Sun Belt at least for a few years.

We'll be fine, although I am sure we would take our lumps early on. We handled ourselves much, much better than North Texas against Bama last year. I am sure all of the current CUSA would have just bent over for Bama and taken their punishment.

http://www.annistonstar.com/view/full_st...--Southern

I am sure they were really up for that game two weeks after losing to LSU...Pretty sure UNT would stomp a mudhole in Georgia Southern, although I must admit, I have never heard of Georgia Southern until this week....

At least you are honest in that you don't know much about anything. Looking at your avatar not sure you even know who your own team is. Apparently, you do root for U of CUSA though.

You should read his posts over there... Im not sure he knows who he roots for. I think he just more or less hates the SBC.
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