(08-24-2011 04:33 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 02:30 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 12:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 12:01 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I would submit that it is the status quo voters that simply go in and vote straight tickets are the mindless zombies.

Some Ron Paul supporters hail him as a God and can't accept that he has flaws (like no actual experience, unlike Gary Johnson). I've tried debating this with them in a civil manner and they just scream "well you aren't for liberty?"

Works both ways.

I don't hail any f'ng politician as a god...Ron Paul included.

It would be really great if you could actually read.

I understood you perfectly...and somewhat agree. I was making a statement..nothing more.

Welcome BTW...If you stick around you will understand my BS.

I would submit BTW.. that Ron Paul's 30+ years in Congress and his economic knowledge more than qualifies him for the POTUS.

Looking forward to it

I just think that Gary Johnson's combination of the ideology and actual experience (and results) make him better qualified. No doubt that Paul has far superior economic knowledge. Hopefully they can work something out to be part of the same ticket at some point.

(08-24-2011 12:01 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 09:04 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Ron Paul supporters may as well be the reason he probably won't win the nomination. The man tends to make a lot of sense, and I will most likely find myself voting for him...but the smug, "oh I am informed about the world" supporters (mindless zombies) will be his downfall.

Gary Johnson is a much better candidate, unfortunately they won't even let him in the debates.

I would submit that it is the status quo voters that simply go in and vote straight tickets are the mindless zombies.

Some Ron Paul supporters hail him as a God and can't accept that he has flaws (like no actual experience, unlike Gary Johnson). I've tried debating this with them in a civil manner and they just scream "well you aren't for liberty?"

Works both ways.

Noticed that you talked more about it down the page, but His 30+ years should count for some actual experience. He has more knowledge of monetary policy (economics as a whole, really) and the Constitution than Obama and the "top tier" of the Republican candidates combined.

Gary Johnson would be great. I love the guy and he was a governor, so he does have executive experience. The media doesn't give him an inkling of coverage though, and the majority don't know who he is. They are excluding him from debates like they did RP the last go around. I wish he had a chance, but he has less of a chance than Paul did in 08.

I know people continue to say Paul doesn't have a chance either, but he really does this time if things go the right way. My dream would be him selecting Gary as his VP. I think he'd at least be a part of the cabinet and there is no doubt that Johnson will endorse Paul once he drops out of the election.

(08-24-2011 05:11 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 12:01 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 09:04 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Ron Paul supporters may as well be the reason he probably won't win the nomination. The man tends to make a lot of sense, and I will most likely find myself voting for him...but the smug, "oh I am informed about the world" supporters (mindless zombies) will be his downfall.

Gary Johnson is a much better candidate, unfortunately they won't even let him in the debates.

I would submit that it is the status quo voters that simply go in and vote straight tickets are the mindless zombies.

Some Ron Paul supporters hail him as a God and can't accept that he has flaws (like no actual experience, unlike Gary Johnson). I've tried debating this with them in a civil manner and they just scream "well you aren't for liberty?"

Works both ways.

Noticed that you talked more about it down the page, but His 30+ years should count for some actual experience. He has more knowledge of monetary policy (economics as a whole, really) and the Constitution than Obama and the "top tier" of the Republican candidates combined.

Gary Johnson would be great. I love the guy and he was a governor, so he does have executive experience. The media doesn't give him an inkling of coverage though, and the majority don't know who he is. They are excluding him from debates like they did RP the last go around. I wish he had a chance, but he has less of a chance than Paul did in 08.

I know people continue to say Paul doesn't have a chance either, but he really does this time if things go the right way. My dream would be him selecting Gary as his VP. I think he'd at least be a part of the cabinet and there is no doubt that Johnson will endorse Paul once he drops out of the election.

I agree with you, the two of them together would be an ideal ticket in my opinion. There are two things that turn me off about Paul: One is he hasn't really hasn't served in a position like Governor where actual results can be defined (like Johnson creating a surplus in New Mexico). But I can understand that his 30 years in Congress has certainly taught him something. The second reason is, the supporters of Ron Paul that I've come across are really obsessed with the guy, and like I said earlier continuously attacked my position on liberty because I disagreed with a few things he said. That sort of following is kind of ironic to me, because they belittled Obama supporters for doing the same thing. I think those 2 things will end up being his downfall anyways. If he wins the nomination the media is going to have a field day with that stuff, its really quite sad.

(08-24-2011 05:11 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  there is no doubt that Johnson will endorse Paul once he drops out of the election.

How can you be so certain of that? I get a sense that Gov. Johnson feels very, very deeply about abortion, and with the opposite view from RP. If that's true, it might be enough to cause Johnson to withhold his endorsement.

(08-24-2011 06:42 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 05:11 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  there is no doubt that Johnson will endorse Paul once he drops out of the election.

How can you be so certain of that? I get a sense that Gov. Johnson feels very, very deeply about abortion, and with the opposite view from RP. If that's true, it might be enough to cause Johnson to withhold his endorsement.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/ar...18792.html

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/09/gary-j...-for-2012/

Gary "Veto" Johnson is similar to Dr. No to the point that an issue as low on the totem poll as abortion wont stand in his way. Most libertarians are pro-choice, are they not? He is one of the few pro-life libertarians that I know of (though he has kind of created a whole new wing of the libertarian party that remains pro-life).

(08-24-2011 06:17 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 05:11 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 12:01 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(08-24-2011 07:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 09:04 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Ron Paul supporters may as well be the reason he probably won't win the nomination. The man tends to make a lot of sense, and I will most likely find myself voting for him...but the smug, "oh I am informed about the world" supporters (mindless zombies) will be his downfall.

Gary Johnson is a much better candidate, unfortunately they won't even let him in the debates.

I would submit that it is the status quo voters that simply go in and vote straight tickets are the mindless zombies.

Some Ron Paul supporters hail him as a God and can't accept that he has flaws (like no actual experience, unlike Gary Johnson). I've tried debating this with them in a civil manner and they just scream "well you aren't for liberty?"

Works both ways.

Noticed that you talked more about it down the page, but His 30+ years should count for some actual experience. He has more knowledge of monetary policy (economics as a whole, really) and the Constitution than Obama and the "top tier" of the Republican candidates combined.

Gary Johnson would be great. I love the guy and he was a governor, so he does have executive experience. The media doesn't give him an inkling of coverage though, and the majority don't know who he is. They are excluding him from debates like they did RP the last go around. I wish he had a chance, but he has less of a chance than Paul did in 08.

I know people continue to say Paul doesn't have a chance either, but he really does this time if things go the right way. My dream would be him selecting Gary as his VP. I think he'd at least be a part of the cabinet and there is no doubt that Johnson will endorse Paul once he drops out of the election.

I agree with you, the two of them together would be an ideal ticket in my opinion. There are two things that turn me off about Paul: One is he hasn't really hasn't served in a position like Governor where actual results can be defined (like Johnson creating a surplus in New Mexico). But I can understand that his 30 years in Congress has certainly taught him something. The second reason is, the supporters of Ron Paul that I've come across are really obsessed with the guy, and like I said earlier continuously attacked my position on liberty because I disagreed with a few things he said. That sort of following is kind of ironic to me, because they belittled Obama supporters for doing the same thing. I think those 2 things will end up being his downfall anyways. If he wins the nomination the media is going to have a field day with that stuff, its really quite sad.

I think the whole annoying followers thing has more to do with the age group more than anything. Obama and Ron Paul both inspire the youth more than the other candidates (in very different ways) and we young Americans are very passionate (maybe too passionate) about the candidates we support.