(12-16-2021 12:07 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  After the OOC is almost over it’s still hard to gauge who’s the top team in the WAC. NMSU looks good at times and looks terrible 5 min later but we find a way to win. We have been consistently inconsistent but with the exception of the rivalry loss to UNM and the Utah St nightmare we’ve found a way to win in the end.

UVU looks very tough. And they are. But like us I feel they can be inconsistent as well. Beating BYU one week and then losing to SUU the next. GCU, CBU, Seattle, SFA, and ACU have all been good at times but have also dropped some games I think they should have won. The rest are struggling to get their legs under them. WAC play starts soon. Who’s going to emerge as top dawg this year?

NMSU is the top team at this point. We have the wins to back it up.

Not sure what games ACU dropped that they should have won. Utah was very strong and Texas A&M took two overtimes to barely win. Other than that, the Wildcats have won every game. I was very disappointed we did not pull out the win against Texas A&M, but it was oh so close to being another victory most would not have given the team a chance of winning. So far, other than the first game of the season when the new guys had not yet played with the intensity the team brings, ACU has performed as expected. The win against CSB was a good one since they had beaten Boise State and won three in a row.
Now as the conference gets closer, the new guys have gotten in some good playing time so we shall see if they can perform against WAC level competition. I figure win or lose, the team will play with great energy -- their trademark.

(12-16-2021 12:07 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  After the OOC is almost over it’s still hard to gauge who’s the top team in the WAC. NMSU looks good at times and looks terrible 5 min later but we find a way to win. We have been consistently inconsistent but with the exception of the rivalry loss to UNM and the Utah St nightmare we’ve found a way to win in the end.

UVU looks very tough. And they are. But like us I feel they can be inconsistent as well. Beating BYU one week and then losing to SUU the next. GCU, CBU, Seattle, SFA, and ACU have all been good at times but have also dropped some games I think they should have won. The rest are struggling to get their legs under them. WAC play starts soon. Who’s going to emerge as top dawg this year?

Good assessment. UVU did lose to Southern Utah, but thats a solid team (NET around 115). GCU, CBU, and Seattle have won lots of easy games, and not won many that impress. Close losses aside, UVU NMSU have good wins under their belts. There will be some surprise losses by top teams, but I still see the Aggies, UVU and GCU being the teams.to beat. UVU and GCU were each competitive in their games against Wyo (NET 25 or so) and have convinced me that can turn it up a notch when needed.

(12-16-2021 06:30 PM)RCI Wrote:  Not sure what games ACU dropped that they should have won. Utah was very strong and Texas A&M took two overtimes to barely win. Other than that, the Wildcats have won every game. I was very disappointed we did not pull out the win against Texas A&M, but it was oh so close to being another victory most would not have given the team a chance of winning. So far, other than the first game of the season when the new guys had not yet played with the intensity the team brings, ACU has performed as expected. The win against CSB was a good one since they had beaten Boise State and won three in a row.
Now as the conference gets closer, the new guys have gotten in some good playing time so we shall see if they can perform against WAC level competition. I figure win or lose, the team will play with great energy -- their trademark.

You are correct, I didn’t mean to say ACU lost games they shouldn’t have. I’ll be honest I still have trouble keeping all the Texas schools and who they e played straight in my head. I think ACU could be one of the top 3 when it’s all said and done. I’m thinking the top 1-3 spots will be separated by very few games at the end of the season.

Chicago State won tonight in Indianapolis, beating IUPUI 61-55. Chicago is now 4-7.

(12-16-2021 09:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  Chicago State won tonight in Indianapolis, beating IUPUI 61-55. Chicago is now 4-7.

Looks like Chicago State has good young head coach. This the best Chicago State has done since they first joined the WAC.

(12-16-2021 09:21 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 09:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  Chicago State won tonight in Indianapolis, beating IUPUI 61-55. Chicago is now 4-7.

Looks like Chicago State has good young head coach. This the best Chicago State has done since they first joined the WAC. [/u]

I agree. If he can simply get the program back to where it was in its final Great West year or its first year in the WAC, that will be a nice accomplishment. I can't imagine them going .500 in the conference this year like they did their first year in the WAC, but if they can get a few conference home wins, and maybe pick up a road win or 2, it will be a solid season for Gillion.

2013-14 (first WAC season) is the last time they were averaging 1,000+ fans at home as well. But more people show up when you are in top half of the conference... Getting fans back in will come with wins.

(12-16-2021 07:52 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:30 PM)RCI Wrote:  Not sure what games ACU dropped that they should have won. Utah was very strong and Texas A&M took two overtimes to barely win. Other than that, the Wildcats have won every game. I was very disappointed we did not pull out the win against Texas A&M, but it was oh so close to being another victory most would not have given the team a chance of winning. So far, other than the first game of the season when the new guys had not yet played with the intensity the team brings, ACU has performed as expected. The win against CSB was a good one since they had beaten Boise State and won three in a row.
Now as the conference gets closer, the new guys have gotten in some good playing time so we shall see if they can perform against WAC level competition. I figure win or lose, the team will play with great energy -- their trademark.

You are correct, I didn’t mean to say ACU lost games they shouldn’t have. I’ll be honest I still have trouble keeping all the Texas schools and who they e played straight in my head. I think ACU could be one of the top 3 when it’s all said and done. I’m thinking the top 1-3 spots will be separated by very few games at the end of the season.

I have trouble keeping up as well. It will take time to figure out the various schools and their strong points. One thing I am pretty sure about is NMSU should be ranked at the head of the class in WAC basketball. What I don't know is how all the rest should stack up. ACU can play surprisingly good basketball, but we don't know the WAC yet. I am hoping for a strong conference, so all the teams are lifted up with better competition. We will be back in a very nice renovation called Moody Coliseum next year and the hope is to be a force in the WAC and beyond. Moody will be quite impressive.

(12-16-2021 10:45 PM)RCI Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 07:52 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 06:30 PM)RCI Wrote:  Not sure what games ACU dropped that they should have won. Utah was very strong and Texas A&M took two overtimes to barely win. Other than that, the Wildcats have won every game. I was very disappointed we did not pull out the win against Texas A&M, but it was oh so close to being another victory most would not have given the team a chance of winning. So far, other than the first game of the season when the new guys had not yet played with the intensity the team brings, ACU has performed as expected. The win against CSB was a good one since they had beaten Boise State and won three in a row.
Now as the conference gets closer, the new guys have gotten in some good playing time so we shall see if they can perform against WAC level competition. I figure win or lose, the team will play with great energy -- their trademark.

You are correct, I didn’t mean to say ACU lost games they shouldn’t have. I’ll be honest I still have trouble keeping all the Texas schools and who they e played straight in my head. I think ACU could be one of the top 3 when it’s all said and done. I’m thinking the top 1-3 spots will be separated by very few games at the end of the season.

I have trouble keeping up as well. It will take time to figure out the various schools and their strong points. One thing I am pretty sure about is NMSU should be ranked at the head of the class in WAC basketball. What I don't know is how all the rest should stack up. ACU can play surprisingly good basketball, but we don't know the WAC yet. I am hoping for a strong conference, so all the teams are lifted up with better competition. We will be back in a very nice renovation called Moody Coliseum next year and the hope is to be a force in the WAC and beyond. Moody will be quite impressive.

To be honest, I have my concerns with how NMSU will match up with some of the guard strong WAC teams. Right now, the weak link in the Aggies roster is the point guard position. Nate Pryor has played better than Mario McKinney but both have had moments where they have unraveled against opposing defenses. Pryor sometimes makes ill advised weak passes. And, McKinney over dibbles and gets out of control attacking the rim. Neither player is particularly skilled offensively. Pryor is craft around the basket whereas McKinney is ultra-athletic but shows little touch around the rim. Right now, more than half the point guards in the WAC are more skilled as shooters and passer than NMSU's PGs.

Heat Check Mid-Major Top 25...

https://heatcheckcbb.com/ncaa-mid-major-...te-racing/

I listed their Top 25 below relative to WAC competition...

1. Gonzaga (8-2)............. Beat Tarleton State & Dixie State
2. Colorado State (10-0)
3. Loyola Chicago (9-2).... Beat Chicago State
4. San Francisco (10-0).... Plays Grand Canyon on Saturday
5. Brigham Young (8-2).... Lost to Utah Valley
6. Saint Mary's (10-2)
7. Belmont (9-3)
8. St. Bonaventure (8-2)
9. Ohio (8-2)
10. Alabama Birmingham (9-2)
11. San Diego State (6-3)
12. Iona (9-2)
13. Murray State (9-1)
14. Utah State (8-3).......... Beat New Mexico State
15. Davidson (7-2)............. Lost to New Mexico State
16. Louisiana Tech (8-2)
17. New Mexico State (9-2)
18. Saint Louis (8-3)........... Beat Stephen F. Austin
19. UT Chattanooga (9-2)
20. UC Irvine (5-3)............. Lost to New Mexico State
21. Buffalo (6-3)................ Lost to Stephen F. Austin
22. Boise State (7-4).......... Beat Utah Valley
23. Wyoming (9-1)............. Beat Grand Canyon & Utah Valley
24. Missouri State (7-4)...... Beat Sam Houston State
25. Richmond (6-4)

I keep seeing Davidson ranked ahead of NMSU in all these mid major polls. What gives?

(12-17-2021 08:31 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I keep seeing Davidson ranked ahead of NMSU in all these mid major polls. What gives?

The perception for the strength of the conference. The A-10 versus WAC.

(12-17-2021 09:14 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  

(12-17-2021 08:31 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I keep seeing Davidson ranked ahead of NMSU in all these mid major polls. What gives?

The perception for the strength of the conference. The A-10 versus WAC.

Plus the bad loss against UNM really hurt us. Davidson's only other loss was against San Francisco, otherwise we'd be ahead of them.

GCU vs USF is on FloSports tomorrow.

So I’m watching the Tarleton game. Just checking it out. And I just saw the most unbelievable, over exaggerated flop I’ve ever seen. That Tarleton dude reacted like he got hit by a bus lol

(12-17-2021 08:18 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  So I’m watching the Tarleton game. Just checking it out. And I just saw the most unbelievable, over exaggerated flop I’ve ever seen. That Tarleton dude reacted like he got hit by a bus lol

Outstanding win for Tarleton despite that. South Alabama was NET 79 and had an 8 win streak coming in.

Also UTRGV 68 UTSA 50. Not as impressive as what Tarleton did but we needed it bad.

Texans win!!!!!

Tarleton 65
South Alabama 52

(12-17-2021 09:55 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-17-2021 08:18 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  So I’m watching the Tarleton game. Just checking it out. And I just saw the most unbelievable, over exaggerated flop I’ve ever seen. That Tarleton dude reacted like he got hit by a bus lol

Outstanding win for Tarleton despite that. South Alabama was NET 79 and had an 8 win streak coming in.

Also UTRGV 68 UTSA 50. Not as impressive as what Tarleton did but we needed it bad.

Congrats on the RGV road win!

UVU also picked up a ~40 point home win against a lower level opponent.

(12-17-2021 09:55 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(12-17-2021 08:18 PM)YesCubanB Wrote:  So I’m watching the Tarleton game. Just checking it out. And I just saw the most unbelievable, over exaggerated flop I’ve ever seen. That Tarleton dude reacted like he got hit by a bus lol

Outstanding win for Tarleton despite that. South Alabama was NET 79 and had an 8 win streak coming in.

Also UTRGV 68 UTSA 50. Not as impressive as what Tarleton did but we needed it bad.

Congrats to UTRGV

Very strong performance by the Texans. South Alabama played hard but the Texans were tough as nails. SA did have an amazing player, a transfer from Texas A&M but he was too much of a one man show. Tarleton played team basketball much better.