Good to see another thread about USF being derailed by Central fans.

About rankings, Stephen Igoe in his recent podcast was talking about star rankings. The very top players, the cream of the crop, have multiple analysts watching them and evaluating. Their rankings are usually pretty accurate. The typical three-star guys don't. Their rating fluctuates based on who has offered.

The transfer portal has really shaken things up. It used to be there were a lot of grad transfers with one year of eligibility. Now it's not unusual to get guys with three.

(12-17-2021 10:34 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  About rankings, Stephen Igoe in his recent podcast was talking about star rankings. The very top players, the cream of the crop, have multiple analysts watching them and evaluating. Their rankings are usually pretty accurate. The typical three-star guys don't. Their rating fluctuates based on who has offered.

The transfer portal has really shaken things up. It used to be there were a lot of grad transfers with one year of eligibility. Now it's not unusual to get guys with three.

The Transfer Portal with not having to sit out a year and being given an extra year due to Covid has changed recruiting for schools but I think even more for the middle of the pack and lower.

Also schools being given up to 7 more scholarships this year for transfers has increased movement.

As someone said now coaches have to focus on three things
1. Recruiting High School and Jucos
2. Keeping your players from transferring
3. Recruit transfers.

So that kid you recruited out of high school and went elsewhere could end up coming back to you a year later.

(12-16-2021 03:27 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 03:20 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  So I was totally unfamiliar with transfer rankings so I looked at 247 to see what this was about and it seems like about 40% of the players in the portal have not made any kind of commitment yet. At least of the top 100 players. So does it not seem a bit premature to be broadcasting rankings? Seems like usf is filling much needed holes with quality players and that is the thing to be stressing. I don't seen any other posts or tweets about portal rankings from other schools, so it just seemed a bit odd to be flexing publically about the ranking.

Do I have to point you to any of the 100+ threads about any and all things UCF on this site? Can USF not have any threads without UCF fans turning them into **** shows. Perhaps the USF fans were just using the ratings to show they were getting quality players. Yet, here comes a UCF fan to swear that ratings don't matter with anything USF. I means seriously, WTF is wrong with you people.

Gosh, a thread that discusses the newest recruiting issue, which is how to address and potentially rank (op words, not mine) transfers from the portal. usf fan posts that they have the #1 class which is something that has never been claimed in the history of CF as far as I know. Good for them, everyone else wants to know if that is a thing and how that was established. Discussion ensues. usf fans get their panties in a wad because their #1 ranking is questioned. Would have happened to anyone coming here on signing day and claiming they had a highly ranked transfer class on a day that everyone else is talking normal recruiting. But it turns out only usf did, so here we are. So if you don't want to discuss it or defend it, don't say it.

(12-17-2021 11:59 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 03:27 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(12-16-2021 03:20 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  So I was totally unfamiliar with transfer rankings so I looked at 247 to see what this was about and it seems like about 40% of the players in the portal have not made any kind of commitment yet. At least of the top 100 players. So does it not seem a bit premature to be broadcasting rankings? Seems like usf is filling much needed holes with quality players and that is the thing to be stressing. I don't seen any other posts or tweets about portal rankings from other schools, so it just seemed a bit odd to be flexing publically about the ranking.

Do I have to point you to any of the 100+ threads about any and all things UCF on this site? Can USF not have any threads without UCF fans turning them into **** shows. Perhaps the USF fans were just using the ratings to show they were getting quality players. Yet, here comes a UCF fan to swear that ratings don't matter with anything USF. I means seriously, WTF is wrong with you people.

Gosh, a thread that discusses the newest recruiting issue, which is how to address and potentially rank (op words, not mine) transfers from the portal. usf fan posts that they have the #1 class which is something that has never been claimed in the history of CF as far as I know. Good for them, everyone else wants to know if that is a thing and how that was established. Discussion ensues. usf fans get their panties in a wad because their #1 ranking is questioned. Would have happened to anyone coming here on signing day and claiming they had a highly ranked transfer class on a day that everyone else is talking normal recruiting. But it turns out only usf did, so here we are. So if you don't want to discuss it or defend it, don't say it.

Good try. Now go back think about it and try again.

I haven't posted a thing negative to USF on this thread, just questioning the new process of transfer rankings. Another thought though is if you are a USF fan and want to put up a thread with the expectation that everyone will put on their green and gold glasses and praise USF, you might want to try your team's message board. This is a conference message board and the whole point of being here is debate among fan bases. To state that the thread is "derailed" because a fan of an opposing fan base questions the validity of what is being presented is a misunderstanding of the purpose of this board.

(12-17-2021 02:44 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  I haven't posted a thing negative to USF on this thread, just questioning the new process of transfer rankings. Another thought though is if you are a USF fan and want to put up a thread with the expectation that everyone will put on their green and gold glasses and praise USF, you might want to try your team's message board. This is a conference message board and the whole point of being here is debate among fan bases. To state that the thread is "derailed" because a fan of an opposing fan base questions the validity of what is being presented is a misunderstanding of the purpose of this board.

Once again for those on the back. It is ok to question how they are rated but when you at the same time are spending time posting about the ratings success your school received by the same organization and don’t question their ratings there. Then my friend you are just picking where to nag about ratings and when you won’t.
It is hilarious that this thread has triggered so many UCF fans regarding a sophomore lineman that with a rating of .8300 is lower than pretty much every single freshmen recruit the school has signed.
Once again recruiting rankings are for the fans to feel good, but hey you guys can crow about your best ranking ever but no you must find fault on how USF received that high ranking.

As I said you want to question rankings , I’m all for it but then you must also questions yours.

(12-17-2021 05:23 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2021 02:44 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  I haven't posted a thing negative to USF on this thread, just questioning the new process of transfer rankings. Another thought though is if you are a USF fan and want to put up a thread with the expectation that everyone will put on their green and gold glasses and praise USF, you might want to try your team's message board. This is a conference message board and the whole point of being here is debate among fan bases. To state that the thread is "derailed" because a fan of an opposing fan base questions the validity of what is being presented is a misunderstanding of the purpose of this board.

Once again for those on the back. It is ok to question how they are rated but when you at the same time are spending time posting about the ratings success your school received by the same organization and don’t question their ratings there. Then my friend you are just picking where to nag about ratings and when you won’t.
It is hilarious that this thread has triggered so many UCF fans regarding a sophomore lineman that with a rating of .8300 is lower than pretty much every single freshmen recruit the school has signed.
Once again recruiting rankings are for the fans to feel good, but hey you guys can crow about your best ranking ever but no you must find fault on how USF received that high ranking.

As I said you want to question rankings , I’m all for it but then you must also questions yours.

You are missing the point, I am not questioning USF or your class, I am questioning the value of transfer ratings and their comparison to standard recruiting rankings. As I have stated in this thread, I don't have alot of trust in star ratings altogether, but at least for players coming out of high school it has been done for a long time and there is game tape to evaluate. For transfers, especially those that either haven't played, or played very little, and the transfer ranking being a fairly new process (247 started this 3 years ago, but its been amplified by the current transfer rules), its a fair question. The two rankings are apples to oranges and equivocating them as the same is not an accurate comparison.

(12-17-2021 05:38 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(12-17-2021 05:23 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2021 02:44 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  I haven't posted a thing negative to USF on this thread, just questioning the new process of transfer rankings. Another thought though is if you are a USF fan and want to put up a thread with the expectation that everyone will put on their green and gold glasses and praise USF, you might want to try your team's message board. This is a conference message board and the whole point of being here is debate among fan bases. To state that the thread is "derailed" because a fan of an opposing fan base questions the validity of what is being presented is a misunderstanding of the purpose of this board.

Once again for those on the back. It is ok to question how they are rated but when you at the same time are spending time posting about the ratings success your school received by the same organization and don’t question their ratings there. Then my friend you are just picking where to nag about ratings and when you won’t.
It is hilarious that this thread has triggered so many UCF fans regarding a sophomore lineman that with a rating of .8300 is lower than pretty much every single freshmen recruit the school has signed.
Once again recruiting rankings are for the fans to feel good, but hey you guys can crow about your best ranking ever but no you must find fault on how USF received that high ranking.

As I said you want to question rankings , I’m all for it but then you must also questions yours.

You are missing the point, I am not questioning USF or your class, I am questioning the value of transfer ratings and their comparison to standard recruiting rankings. As I have stated in this thread, I don't have alot of trust in star ratings altogether, but at least for players coming out of high school it has been done for a long time and there is game tape to evaluate. For transfers, especially those that either haven't played, or played very little, and the transfer ranking being a fairly new process (247 started this 3 years ago, but its been amplified by the current transfer rules), its a fair question. The two rankings are apples to oranges and equivocating them as the same is not an accurate comparison.

And once again ratings are all bs anyways. As I stated before there are other transfers we got who I believe are going to have a higher impact than this guy and got rated lower.
Still an .8300 ratings is not a great rating. The real value of any of these kids is by what they do on the field to spend time arguing about whether he should be .8300 or .7900 etc it’s just picking at things that are unimportant at the end.
I couldn’t care less if this kid gets rated low and then turns out to be a starter before he graduates and helps th3 team.

USF adds #13 Rashad Cheney Defensive Line 6’2 290 from Minnesota.

DLine was one of our most pressing needs. Lots of new faces coming in, hoping some will work out.

Once 2 more recruits are rated, USF will probably end up with the number 3 overall class in AAC, ahead of Houston, and behind Cincinnati and UCF.

(12-19-2021 02:19 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Once 2 more recruits are rated, USF will probably end up with the number 3 overall class in AAC, ahead of Houston, and behind Cincinnati and UCF.

I know is nice to see but I really don’t care about those numbers. I’m more excited about the possibilities these kids bring in to jump start our program, specially in positions like DLine where we were really bad last year.

If half of them can come in and contribute next year as starters or back ups I will be very happy.

(12-19-2021 02:31 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 02:19 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Once 2 more recruits are rated, USF will probably end up with the number 3 overall class in AAC, ahead of Houston, and behind Cincinnati and UCF.

I know is nice to see but I really don’t care about those numbers. I’m more excited about the possibilities these kids bring in to jump start our program, specially in positions like DLine where we were really bad last year.

If half of them can come in and contribute next year as starters or back ups I will be very happy.

I'd be interested to read about teams with more than 5-7 guys signed through the portal, and how many teams actually saw noted improvement from it.

I'd also be interested to see how many players entered the portal, but never played another down in College football after that day.

(12-19-2021 03:36 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 02:31 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(12-19-2021 02:19 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Once 2 more recruits are rated, USF will probably end up with the number 3 overall class in AAC, ahead of Houston, and behind Cincinnati and UCF.

I know is nice to see but I really don’t care about those numbers. I’m more excited about the possibilities these kids bring in to jump start our program, specially in positions like DLine where we were really bad last year.

If half of them can come in and contribute next year as starters or back ups I will be very happy.

I'd be interested to read about teams with more than 5-7 guys signed through the portal, and how many teams actually saw noted improvement from it.

I'd also be interested to see how many players entered the portal, but never played another down in College football after that day.

Not all will work out in fact most won’t make a difference, similar to the freshmen that come in. If you can get half of them to actually produce then you are winning.
SMU had 13 transfers last year and they benefited from it.

We shall see with USF but if as I stated if half of them end up contributing in the two deep, it would had be a big win for us.

We got 8 new comers in defensive line, 5 are transfers. We basically are starting from scratch in the DLine so we need players that can play from the get go, that’s usually not the case for freshmen in that position

I always find it interesting how transfers have become the new hope of programs.

Like Bo Nix. The guys sucks. If his last name wasn't Nix he'd have never sniffed the field at Auburn. Yet people are looking at him like he's their messiah.

I call it the Joe Creamo syndrome.

(12-19-2021 05:12 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  I always find it interesting how transfers have become the new hope of programs.

Like Bo Nix. The guys sucks. If his last name wasn't Nix he'd have never sniffed the field at Auburn. Yet people are looking at him like he's their messiah.

I call it the Joe Creamo syndrome.

Some work out some do not.

I find it funny how some make it look like it’s the best and others work hard to make it to be worthless.

Reality as always is in between. It will work for some teams, it won’t work for others.

Mordecai transferring to SMU sure help them.

Western Kentucky 19 transfers last year including QB went from 5-7 to 9-5

Michigan State 14 transfers went from 2-5 to 10-2 including their stud RB

SMU 13 transfers including QB also had success.

Those are just three examples of some success using the portal

3* Rashad Cheney Committed to USF. Defensive lineman transferred from Minnesota. Moves USFs overall class to just behind Houston at 61.

Remarkable that FCS Jackson State has the #6 transfer class. That doesn't even count the 5-star they flipped from FSU since he's a HS recruit. Deion Sanders is putting together a monster program down there.