(10-07-2019 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:52 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We've got p6. The big east was a bunch of middlings and now are all weaklings without each other to make themselves look better.

If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

Weak teams backing into weak draws. People got sick of seeing better teams not get those bids. The problem has been solved. How many of those teams have been to access bowls and won them since becoming fodder for other leagues?

Same as it ever was

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/5358...s-bowl-bid

It's a little weird that you don't see the irony with this faulty logic.

It shows how weak the AAC is that a program like Memphis can start performing well in the conference after being terrible for it's entire existence.

You don't see the problem with that logic.

Thankfully we have good objective measures regarding the quality of the Big East during UC's run. People really don't understand how good the Big East was during the early stretch UC was in it.

The Big East finished second to the SEC (which was ahead by a wide margin) in sagarin in 2009. https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sa...onference/

It finished 5th in 2008 (ahead of the Big 10).
It finished 4th in 2007 (ahead of the ACC and Big 10)
It finished 2nd in 2006 only behind the SEC.

Now you don't have to 100% agree with the computers, but this clearly shows the Big East was in the mix with those leagues (outside of the SEC).

Sagarin breaks it up into divisions now, but just as a contrast the AAC East and West were 11 and 12 last year behind every power division and the Mountain West Mountain Division. Overall they would be 6th once you factor the other MWC division.

In 2017 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

In 2016 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

Bottom line... the AAC has been clearly behind the other power conferences. The Big East was clearly among them. I defend the AAC and think it's been a solid league for what it is, but it's ridiculous to pretend it has ever been at the level of the Big East when UC was at its peak.

If the AAC finishes second to the SEC in sagarin that would be unbelievable. The Big East did it twice in 4 seasons.

This year, the AAC has actually closed the gap and there are some good arguments its right there with the ACC. That's awesome. Hope that continues.

(10-08-2019 09:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Thankfully we have good objective measures regarding the quality of the Big East during UC's run. People really don't understand how good the Big East was during the early stretch UC was in it.

The Big East finished second to the SEC (which was ahead by a wide margin) in sagarin in 2009. https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sa...onference/

It finished 5th in 2008 (ahead of the Big 10).
It finished 4th in 2007 (ahead of the ACC and Big 10)
It finished 2nd in 2006 only behind the SEC.

Now you don't have to 100% agree with the computers, but this clearly shows the Big East was in the mix with those leagues (outside of the SEC).

Sagarin breaks it up into divisions now, but just as a contrast the AAC East and West were 11 and 12 last year behind every power division and the Mountain West Mountain Division. Overall they would be 6th once you factor the other MWC division.

In 2017 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

In 2016 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

Bottom line... the AAC has been clearly behind the other power conferences. The Big East was clearly among them. I defend the AAC and think it's been a solid league for what it is, but it's ridiculous to pretend it has ever been at the level of the Big East when UC was at its peak.

If the AAC finishes second to the SEC in sagarin that would be unbelievable. The Big East did it twice in 4 seasons.

This year, the AAC has actually closed the gap and there are some good arguments its right there with the ACC. That's awesome. Hope that continues.

Sagarin is for simpletons

(10-08-2019 10:40 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Thankfully we have good objective measures regarding the quality of the Big East during UC's run. People really don't understand how good the Big East was during the early stretch UC was in it.

The Big East finished second to the SEC (which was ahead by a wide margin) in sagarin in 2009. https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sa...onference/

It finished 5th in 2008 (ahead of the Big 10).
It finished 4th in 2007 (ahead of the ACC and Big 10)
It finished 2nd in 2006 only behind the SEC.

Now you don't have to 100% agree with the computers, but this clearly shows the Big East was in the mix with those leagues (outside of the SEC).

Sagarin breaks it up into divisions now, but just as a contrast the AAC East and West were 11 and 12 last year behind every power division and the Mountain West Mountain Division. Overall they would be 6th once you factor the other MWC division.

In 2017 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

In 2016 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

Bottom line... the AAC has been clearly behind the other power conferences. The Big East was clearly among them. I defend the AAC and think it's been a solid league for what it is, but it's ridiculous to pretend it has ever been at the level of the Big East when UC was at its peak.

If the AAC finishes second to the SEC in sagarin that would be unbelievable. The Big East did it twice in 4 seasons.

This year, the AAC has actually closed the gap and there are some good arguments its right there with the ACC. That's awesome. Hope that continues.

Sagarin is for simpletons

Long live Shere

USFFan

(10-08-2019 09:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Thankfully we have good objective measures regarding the quality of the Big East during UC's run. People really don't understand how good the Big East was during the early stretch UC was in it.

The Big East finished second to the SEC (which was ahead by a wide margin) in sagarin in 2009. https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sa...onference/

It finished 5th in 2008 (ahead of the Big 10).
It finished 4th in 2007 (ahead of the ACC and Big 10)
It finished 2nd in 2006 only behind the SEC.

Now you don't have to 100% agree with the computers, but this clearly shows the Big East was in the mix with those leagues (outside of the SEC).

Sagarin breaks it up into divisions now, but just as a contrast the AAC East and West were 11 and 12 last year behind every power division and the Mountain West Mountain Division. Overall they would be 6th once you factor the other MWC division.

In 2017 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

In 2016 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

Bottom line... the AAC has been clearly behind the other power conferences. The Big East was clearly among them. I defend the AAC and think it's been a solid league for what it is, but it's ridiculous to pretend it has ever been at the level of the Big East when UC was at its peak.

If the AAC finishes second to the SEC in sagarin that would be unbelievable. The Big East did it twice in 4 seasons.

This year, the AAC has actually closed the gap and there are some good arguments its right there with the ACC. That's awesome. Hope that continues.

The Big East was a genuine power conference for over two decades until 2013, when the P5 system kicked in.

Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, and Pitt were serious football powers in many of those seasons, Syracuse had some strong teams, and Louisville and Cincy became football powerhouses a couple of years after they joined the Big East.

At times, the Big East was one of the top 3 cfb conferences in the nation. Generally, the BE and the PAC were the 4th and 5th best conferences, with the ACC pulling up the rear most seasons. Honestly, the ACC was a joke most of the time, with a few exceptions.

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Has the AAC "closed the gap?" We'd all like to think so. If it can finish with 5 teams in the top 25 or 7 teams in the top 35 or 8 teams in the top 40, then the AAC will have definitely closed the gap at that point. Even having 8 teams in the top 50 might be enough to make the case persuasively enough.

If we do close the gap, it will be by finishing so close behind the ACC that we end up being tied with the ACC for all practical purposes.

Some would say that the AAC won't attain the status of the old Big East FB Conference until it battles its way ahead of at least two power conferences in the rankings, an achievement that the old BE did attain, and then some.

Maybe in a year or two if recruiting continues to pick up...

(10-08-2019 09:29 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:52 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We've got p6. The big east was a bunch of middlings and now are all weaklings without each other to make themselves look better.

If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

Weak teams backing into weak draws. People got sick of seeing better teams not get those bids. The problem has been solved. How many of those teams have been to access bowls and won them since becoming fodder for other leagues?

Same as it ever was

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/5358...s-bowl-bid

It's a little weird that you don't see the irony with this faulty logic.

It shows how weak the AAC is that a program like Memphis can start performing well in the conference after being terrible for it's entire existence.

You don't see the problem with that logic.

If Memphis would have start investing in football 30 years ago instead of 10 years ago, it would have been Memphis in the Big East instead of you guys. It must sucks formely having a seat at the big boys table to being surpassed by former CUSA schools.

(10-08-2019 12:45 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:29 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:52 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We've got p6. The big east was a bunch of middlings and now are all weaklings without each other to make themselves look better.

If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

Weak teams backing into weak draws. People got sick of seeing better teams not get those bids. The problem has been solved. How many of those teams have been to access bowls and won them since becoming fodder for other leagues?

Same as it ever was

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/5358...s-bowl-bid

It's a little weird that you don't see the irony with this faulty logic.

It shows how weak the AAC is that a program like Memphis can start performing well in the conference after being terrible for it's entire existence.

You don't see the problem with that logic.

If Memphis would have start investing in football 30 years ago instead of 10 years ago, it would have been Memphis in the Big East instead of you guys. It must sucks formely having a seat at the big boys table to being surpassed by former CUSA schools.

Bigger barrier for Memphis entrance into the Big East was academic profile, not your football program. There was a lot of east coast elitism in that conference, particularly with catholic schools and Pitt.

(10-08-2019 12:56 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 12:45 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:29 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:52 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

Weak teams backing into weak draws. People got sick of seeing better teams not get those bids. The problem has been solved. How many of those teams have been to access bowls and won them since becoming fodder for other leagues?

Same as it ever was

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/5358...s-bowl-bid

It's a little weird that you don't see the irony with this faulty logic.

It shows how weak the AAC is that a program like Memphis can start performing well in the conference after being terrible for it's entire existence.

You don't see the problem with that logic.

If Memphis would have start investing in football 30 years ago instead of 10 years ago, it would have been Memphis in the Big East instead of you guys. It must sucks formely having a seat at the big boys table to being surpassed by former CUSA schools.

Bigger barrier for Memphis entrance into the Big East was academic profile, not your football program. There was a lot of east coast elitism in that conference, particularly with catholic schools and Pitt.

Can't argue, we got a lot of dummies. Btw, has the big east finished paying us to join them? When does that xconn check come? Just curious. we dumb

(10-07-2019 10:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Syracuse is another bad ACC add.

I find it absolutely hilarious and ironic that you have a thread pinned at the top "trolling will immediately result in a 3 day ban".

So what is your definition of trolling then because that's a pretty big troll post.

And I don't even like the ACC and would rather get the Big East back together but how is Syracuse a bad add? They just finished #15 last year. They have a strong tradition in both football and basketball.

(10-08-2019 09:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Thankfully we have good objective measures regarding the quality of the Big East during UC's run. People really don't understand how good the Big East was during the early stretch UC was in it.

The Big East finished second to the SEC (which was ahead by a wide margin) in sagarin in 2009. https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sa...onference/

It finished 5th in 2008 (ahead of the Big 10).
It finished 4th in 2007 (ahead of the ACC and Big 10)
It finished 2nd in 2006 only behind the SEC.

Now you don't have to 100% agree with the computers, but this clearly shows the Big East was in the mix with those leagues (outside of the SEC).

Sagarin breaks it up into divisions now, but just as a contrast the AAC East and West were 11 and 12 last year behind every power division and the Mountain West Mountain Division. Overall they would be 6th once you factor the other MWC division.

In 2017 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

In 2016 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

Bottom line... the AAC has been clearly behind the other power conferences. The Big East was clearly among them. I defend the AAC and think it's been a solid league for what it is, but it's ridiculous to pretend it has ever been at the level of the Big East when UC was at its peak.

If the AAC finishes second to the SEC in sagarin that would be unbelievable. The Big East did it twice in 4 seasons.

This year, the AAC has actually closed the gap and there are some good arguments its right there with the ACC. That's awesome. Hope that continues.

And in 2010, the conference champ was 8-5 and not a single team finished ranked

(10-08-2019 01:36 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  And in 2010, the conference champ was 8-5 and not a single team finished ranked

I wasn't aware there was a college football season in 2010.

(10-08-2019 01:36 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  And in 2010, the conference champ was 8-5 and not a single team finished ranked

That was pretty much the only year the new Big East was bad other than the first year after the teams left.

They had ranked teams every other year and a great non-conference and bowl record every other year.

The AAC is a good conference. The Big East was a good conference. This pissing match is stupid. The OP has always had a huge dislike for northern schools and lives in an alternate reality where he thinks the northern schools haven't played good football over the years.

(10-08-2019 12:28 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:42 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Thankfully we have good objective measures regarding the quality of the Big East during UC's run. People really don't understand how good the Big East was during the early stretch UC was in it.

The Big East finished second to the SEC (which was ahead by a wide margin) in sagarin in 2009. https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sa...onference/

It finished 5th in 2008 (ahead of the Big 10).
It finished 4th in 2007 (ahead of the ACC and Big 10)
It finished 2nd in 2006 only behind the SEC.

Now you don't have to 100% agree with the computers, but this clearly shows the Big East was in the mix with those leagues (outside of the SEC).

Sagarin breaks it up into divisions now, but just as a contrast the AAC East and West were 11 and 12 last year behind every power division and the Mountain West Mountain Division. Overall they would be 6th once you factor the other MWC division.

In 2017 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

In 2016 the divisions finished 10th and 13th, once again behind every power conference division (the AAC East was also behind the Mountain West Mountain and Independents).

Bottom line... the AAC has been clearly behind the other power conferences. The Big East was clearly among them. I defend the AAC and think it's been a solid league for what it is, but it's ridiculous to pretend it has ever been at the level of the Big East when UC was at its peak.

If the AAC finishes second to the SEC in sagarin that would be unbelievable. The Big East did it twice in 4 seasons.

This year, the AAC has actually closed the gap and there are some good arguments its right there with the ACC. That's awesome. Hope that continues.

The Big East was a genuine power conference for over two decades until 2013, when the P5 system kicked in.

Miami, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, and Pitt were serious football powers in many of those seasons, Syracuse had some strong teams, and Louisville and Cincy became football powerhouses a couple of years after they joined the Big East.

At times, the Big East was one of the top 3 cfb conferences in the nation. Generally, the BE and the PAC were the 4th and 5th best conferences, with the ACC pulling up the rear most seasons. Honestly, the ACC was a joke most of the time, with a few exceptions.

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Has the AAC "closed the gap?" We'd all like to think so. If it can finish with 5 teams in the top 25 or 7 teams in the top 35 or 8 teams in the top 40, then the AAC will have definitely closed the gap at that point. Even having 8 teams in the top 50 might be enough to make the case persuasively enough.

If we do close the gap, it will be by finishing so close behind the ACC that we end up being tied with the ACC for all practical purposes.

Some would say that the AAC won't attain the status of the old Big East FB Conference until it battles its way ahead of at least two power conferences in the rankings, an achievement that the old BE did attain, and then some.

Maybe in a year or two if recruiting continues to pick up...

The biggest thing holding back the AAC:

You need a big bowl (NY6 type) relationship to send your champion to O/A Jan 1st. Maybe something like the Cotton or Gator Bowl...this will have to a long term goal.

Just continue to hold the course

If the AAC and MWC actually work together and form under one umbrella you would have a ton more leverage.

(10-08-2019 12:56 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 12:45 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(10-08-2019 09:29 AM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 09:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:52 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

Weak teams backing into weak draws. People got sick of seeing better teams not get those bids. The problem has been solved. How many of those teams have been to access bowls and won them since becoming fodder for other leagues?

Same as it ever was

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/5358...s-bowl-bid

It's a little weird that you don't see the irony with this faulty logic.

It shows how weak the AAC is that a program like Memphis can start performing well in the conference after being terrible for it's entire existence.

You don't see the problem with that logic.

If Memphis would have start investing in football 30 years ago instead of 10 years ago, it would have been Memphis in the Big East instead of you guys. It must sucks formely having a seat at the big boys table to being surpassed by former CUSA schools.

Bigger barrier for Memphis entrance into the Big East was academic profile, not your football program. There was a lot of east coast elitism in that conference, particularly with catholic schools and Pitt.

If Cuse and Pitt didn't start the avalanche and FEDEX money came in...a league might have been formed to survive. Memphis and UCF could've been added at that point.

Would it have been strong enough to survive the ACC, B1G and Big12 desire for teams? Maybe not, but the TV/bowl contracts would've been a lot better in the meantime.

None y'all ranked. We are ranked .

The rest is blah blah blah blah.

Thanks for playing

(10-08-2019 02:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  None y'all ranked. We are ranked .

The rest is blah blah blah blah.

Thanks for playing

UC is #25

(10-08-2019 02:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  None y'all ranked. We are ranked .

The rest is blah blah blah blah.

Thanks for playing

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It depends on the poll.

SMU, Memphis, and Cincy are ranked #21, #23, and #25, respectively, in the current AP poll.

Memphis is #20, SMU is #22, and Cincy is #26 in the current Coaches poll.

Memphis is #20, SMU is #22, and Cincy is #26 in the current CBS top 25.

Being so closely ranked, any of these teams or UCF could beat any of these teams or UCF on a neutral field.

(10-08-2019 02:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  None y'all ranked. We are ranked at the moment .

The rest is blah blah blah blah.

Thanks for playing

FIFY

You have a few landmines out there. So far you have beaten a bunch of bad teams and a mediocre Ole Miss at home. You get through the rest of the schedule unscathed you have a great chance to make a NY6 bowl game.

I would take a $30mm check and no votes