(10-07-2019 08:35 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(10-06-2019 05:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-06-2019 02:52 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Cincinnati

Cincy was a CUSA filler school for the Big East. But yeah, well done. One team from that mighty football league. One that was left behind.

Point stands

College football was better with 6 power conferences. And Syracuse, BC, Uconn, Pitt, WVU, Miami, VT were all better off with the Big East. I think that's obvious. The ACC and Big Ten are so diluted.

We've got p6. The big east was a bunch of middlings and now are all weaklings without each other to make themselves look better.

Old Big East Football/MBB/WBB > ACC

Numbers ain't liarfaces.

(10-07-2019 06:04 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Old Big East Football/MBB/WBB > ACC

Numbers ain't liarfaces.

Maybe. But not better than the AAC.



Are you still here?

(10-07-2019 06:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:04 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Old Big East Football/MBB/WBB > ACC

Numbers ain't liarfaces.

Maybe. But not better than the AAC.



Are you still here?

Barely. They sooooooooooooooo nasty here.

(10-07-2019 06:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We've got p6. The big east was a bunch of middlings and now are all weaklings without each other to make themselves look better.

If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

(10-07-2019 07:52 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We've got p6. The big east was a bunch of middlings and now are all weaklings without each other to make themselves look better.

If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

Weak teams backing into weak draws. People got sick of seeing better teams not get those bids. The problem has been solved. How many of those teams have been to access bowls and won them since becoming fodder for other leagues?

Same as it ever was

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/5358...s-bowl-bid

(10-07-2019 07:52 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We've got p6. The big east was a bunch of middlings and now are all weaklings without each other to make themselves look better.

If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

Syracuse is another bad ACC add.

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College football was better with 6 power conferences. And Syracuse, BC, Uconn, Pitt, WVU, Miami, VT were all better off with the Big East. I think that's obvious. The ACC and Big Ten are so diluted.
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Until the Big East FB conference became the AAC in 2013, college football had always had 6 (and at times 7) power conferences.

There were 6 power conferences for six decades, dating back to 1931, including the SWC (Southwest Conference) and the current P5 until the Big East became the #7 power conference in 1979.

There were 7 power conferences between 1979 and 1996, when the SWC dissolved, sending member schools into the Big-12, SEC, and AAC.

Let's get that straight:

1931-1979 6 power conferences

1979-1996 7 power conferences

1996-2012 6 power conferences

2013-present 5 power conferences ?

WHY did the NCAA acquiesce to exclude the AAC from the 5 "power" conferences?

A very strong case can be made that it was a harmful mistake (at best), for the NCAA to acquiesce to and sanction a proposal to set five power conferences apart from the so-called "group of five" and independents.

I must admit, it has to suck for Cinci, USF, and UCONN to have a sit at the big boys table only to have snatched away from them involuntarily.

(10-07-2019 10:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 07:52 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 06:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  We've got p6. The big east was a bunch of middlings and now are all weaklings without each other to make themselves look better.

If that's truly the case then how did the Big East keeping winning BCS bowl games? West Virginia won 3 BCS bowl games and Louisville won 2. They also had TCU coming to the league who also had a BCS bowl win.

And for having only 8 teams in the conference there were several years where they had three ranked teams in the poll at once.

Syracuse is another bad ACC add.

Top 15 team in Football with 20-25K fans at a bowl game in Florida last year and two Final Fours since the announcement they were leaving. School brings them a TV eyeballs from the NE and fits academically in the conference. School leads the nation in college basketball attendance.

Syracuse helped a bunch to get the ACCN off to a successful start. The AD was an expert for the ACC and the school is the best in country for Sports Journalism and Broadcasting. Only Comcast left to sign of any stature. Yeah a bad add...Pony you can troll better.

(10-07-2019 10:55 PM)Crazier Wrote:  I must admit, it has to suck for Cinci, USF, and UCONN to have a sit at the big boys table only to have snatched away from them involuntarily.

I never felt bad for UConn...they were gifted a slot into a power league from the FCS. They fumbled their chance, they just need to go back to FCS in Football like Villanova and Georgetown. I feel bad for Cincy and USF. Cincy really should be in the ACC or Big 12 right now. UCF/USF and Memphis all should be in the Big 12.

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1931-1979 6 power conferences

1979-1996 7 power conferences

1996-2012 6 power conferences

2013-present 5 power conferences ?

WHY did the NCAA office acquiesce to exclude the AAC from the 5 "power" conferences?

The NCAA business office's decision to acquiesce to the P5 proposal occurred in 2012/13, when these teams, including 6 current BE members were still in the BE/AAC and played in the 2013 BE/ACC season:

No. 10 UCF, No. 15 Louisville
Rutgers, Cincinnati, USF, Temple, UConn
Houston, SMU, Memphis

(10-07-2019 11:14 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  1931-1979 6 power conferences

1979-1996 7 power conferences

1996-2012 6 power conferences

2013-present 5 power conferences ?

WHY did the NCAA acquiesce to exclude the AAC from the 5 "power" conferences?

You didn't have a Big Bowl line up to take your conference champion or runner-up. The league was behind in just about every metric too. The P5 did a power play to cut a bigger slice of pie for themselves.

(10-07-2019 11:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:14 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  1931-1979 6 power conferences

1979-1996 7 power conferences

1996-2012 6 power conferences

2013-present 5 power conferences ?

WHY did the NCAA acquiesce to exclude the AAC from the 5 "power" conferences?

The P5 did a power play to cut a bigger slice of pie for themselves.

"Power play" is putting it nicely.

What the P5 may have done, with the acquiescence of the NCAA business office, was to commit a civil offense against the AAC & the G5. It may be considered surprising that a class action was not undertaken.

All old history. Can't we get past this and enjoy what the AAC is doing, providing a good product as far as CFB, and possibly, in MBB this next season. Optimistic to the future of this league.

Those former BE schools make $25-$30mm a year in just TV money.

(10-07-2019 11:49 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:24 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 11:14 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  1931-1979 6 power conferences

1979-1996 7 power conferences

1996-2012 6 power conferences

2013-present 5 power conferences ?

WHY did the NCAA acquiesce to exclude the AAC from the 5 "power" conferences?

The P5 did a power play to cut a bigger slice of pie for themselves.

"Power play" is putting it nicely.

What the P5 may have done, with the acquiescence of the NCAA business office, was to commit a civil offense against the AAC & the G5. It may be considered surprising that a classic action was not undertaken.

I don't disagree with you. If some had their way there would be one CFB division of 20-30 super teams. I like variety. I have no issue with 80 teams playing in a top division.

CFB needs to figure out a ton of issues fast before the sport gets away from us.

(10-07-2019 10:55 PM)Crazier Wrote:  I must admit, it has to suck for Cinci, USF, and UCONN to have a sit at the big boys table only to have snatched away from them involuntarily.

It sucked to watch those three get unearned entry into a BCS league.

(10-07-2019 11:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(10-07-2019 10:55 PM)Crazier Wrote:  I must admit, it has to suck for Cinci, USF, and UCONN to have a sit at the big boys table only to have snatched away from them involuntarily.

I never felt bad for UConn...they were gifted a slot into a power league from the FCS. They fumbled their chance, they just need to go back to FCS in Football like Villanova and Georgetown. I feel bad for Cincy and USF. Cincy really should be in the ACC or Big 12 right now. UCF/USF and Memphis all should be in the Big 12.

The Big 12 schools have a huge bias against schools like Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, USF and Houston. They see us as "city schools", "commuter schools", "directional schools", or whatever else they may call us. For a lot of them, it is the classic tale of city mouse vs. country mouse. With the exception of Texas and TCU, they are all mostly country mouse. They don't want the city mouse to share their space.

With respects to the ACC, unfortunately there is simply no room for my Bearcats. The conference is not going to add anyone not named Notre Dame until/unless Notre Dame goes all in. I'd wish one of the 4 schools in North Carolina would bow out, I'd think UC would have a shot to fill their spot but that isn't going to happen.

(10-08-2019 04:09 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  All old history. Can't we get past this and enjoy what the AAC is doing, providing a good product as far as CFB, and possibly, in MBB this next season. Optimistic to the future of this league.

"Old history?" It happened in 2012 & 2013 - that's only 6 or 7 years ago. Hardly "old."

I have done a brief online search, and have not found any information suggesting that anyone has attempted to bring a case on behalf of the G5 conferences against the P5 organization or the NCAA for financial damages incurred by the establishment of the P5/G5.

However, there have been some fairly recent class action cases involving the NCAA and the P5.

"P5 commish: NCAA will lose lawsuit that may end football model
Jordan James Oct 22, 2018 (Photo: USA TODAY Sports)"

https://247sports.com/Article/College-fo...123677835/

Antitrust cases against NCAA, Power 5 conferences will move forward
Written By Justin Sievert The Sporting News 8/11/201

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bas...ijlz0sx66d

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A Federal Appeals Court judge ruled against the governing body for college sports in a federal antitrust lawsuit.

U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken in Oakland, California, said college football and men’s and women’s basketball players competing at the NCAA’s highest level should be permitted to receive compensation from schools beyond the current athletic scholarship, but only if the benefits are tied to education.

The NCAA cannot “limit compensation or benefits related to education,” Wilken wrote.

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Discussion of a potential case against the P5 has continued.

For example:

Posted by
Florida
u/bob237189
1 year ago
Why don't the Group of Five bring an anti-trust suit against the Power 5 Conferences and the CFP?

I'm not an expert, but from what I know and what I see, the power conferences have been acting as a cartel since at least the founding of the Bowl Coalition. For 25 years now, they've worked with each other to ensure their mutual prosperity to the exclusion of the mid-major conferences.

So the question is clear: why don't the G5 sue to force the P5 to expand the franchise?