(09-17-2019 03:20 PM)UTerry Wrote:  if the "temporary" upper deck was replaced and moved closer to the field, wouldn't that increase the fan experience????

If an indoor/outdoor suites (like at 5/3 Field) were added along the top of the new upper deck, wouldn't that increase the fan experience????

If the up to date lights were moved behind the east upper deck, wouldn't that increase the fan experience????

If a new longer ribbon board were added to the new and improved bigger upper deck, wouldn't that increase the fan experience?????

If the fan experience was increased, wouldn't that bring in spectators????

Preach on Brother Terry !!
And now for our second hymn, please turn to page 22.

(09-17-2019 01:09 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 11:16 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(09-16-2019 08:48 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Unless the east side of the stadium is replaced, it needs a broadcast facility that can shoot the west side.Give the Glass Bowl and team its best look for
broadcast. The NE Corner of the GB can be particularly annoying. Really understates attendance.

All kidding aside, I think this is a tremendous idea. UT is sacrificing fan experience for national exposure, so why are we exposing huge areas of empty seats to those viewers who are supposed to be so valuable?

Yes, there would be a cost to construct a booth over there, but it wouldn't need to be a huge, plush press box like on the east side. Plus the camera gear could be pushed over to that side. I think it would be an investment to show our best side on national TV.

Huge areas? Only 900 seats were empty Saturday!!

... Well for the 2nd quarter.

Our stadium looks good on TV. They do enough endzone establishing shots to showcase the press tower and home crowd. The light polls would really be annoying from an East side upper deck shot.

I sat on the east side/lower, but then watched the replay on TV, and for what was supposed to be a near sellout I was shocked at at the many areas of open bench in the lower bowl. I don't know where all the tix went, but there weren't people those seats. You make a point about those dang light masts, though. Well, maybe upgrading to LED lighting would help offset the costs of renovating the lighting.

No, the point isn't that people will turn off the TV, it is making the most of what is supposed to be a benefit of having a goofy schedule. The west side is always going to look better than the east side.

Ok, so this is early in the game. This does not look like a near sellout, and it's not like it's just the area in view. There were many stretches of empty bench on the east side/lower, even into the 2nd quarter. The west side is always going to look better on TV.

So, now, look at the video shot toward the west side in this twitter post that northcoastrocket posted.
Better....or worse?

https://twitter.com/ACBellino/status/117...16609?s=19

I see the empty stretches. I assumed 20,000 would be there so what we HAD was still great. I could probably make an argument that 900ish empty benches are present if the entire soccer stands hold 700.

(09-17-2019 10:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ACBellino/status/117...16609?s=19

I see the empty stretches. I assumed 20,000 would be there so what we HAD was still great. I could probably make an argument that 900ish empty benches are present if the entire soccer stands hold 700.

Soccer holds 300. I would say there were 1,000 empty seats.

(09-18-2019 03:02 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 10:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ACBellino/status/117...16609?s=19

I see the empty stretches. I assumed 20,000 would be there so what we HAD was still great. I could probably make an argument that 900ish empty benches are present if the entire soccer stands hold 700.

Soccer holds 300. I would say there were 1,000 empty seats.

By attendance figures(25,361 vs GB capacity 26,244), there would have been 883 empty seats.

(09-17-2019 03:20 PM)UTerry Wrote:  if the "temporary" upper deck was replaced and moved closer to the field, wouldn't that increase the fan experience????

If an indoor/outdoor suites (like at 5/3 Field) were added along the top of the new upper deck, wouldn't that increase the fan experience????

If the up to date lights were moved behind the east upper deck, wouldn't that increase the fan experience????

If a new longer ribbon board were added to the new and improved bigger upper deck, wouldn't that increase the fan experience?????

If the fan experience was increased, wouldn't that bring in spectators????

I am all for improving the fan experience, just that I think there are plenty of ways to do that (several of which you mention) that don't involve $20 million to replace the east side upper deck. As I mentioned better seats would be one way to improve the fan experience for everyone, including current fans who actually go to the game.

(09-18-2019 03:02 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 10:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ACBellino/status/117...16609?s=19

I see the empty stretches. I assumed 20,000 would be there so what we HAD was still great. I could probably make an argument that 900ish empty benches are present if the entire soccer stands hold 700.

Soccer holds 300. I would say there were 1,000 empty seats.

I know the UT facilities website says 300, but being there twice(once for a game) that it easily holds twice that...(In the 600-650 range)

People do not take into consideration at the amount of people that don’t go to their seats... Some just mill around the stadium( especially the concourses and behind the handicap sections). That may account for several hundred fans...
I think attendance was a legitimate 25,000+ ...

(09-18-2019 08:48 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  People do not take into consideration at the amount of people that don’t go to their seats... Some just mill around the stadium( especially the concourses and behind the handicap sections). That may account for several hundred fans...
I think attendance was a legitimate 25,000+ ...

There has to be at least 500 in all of the suites and press box...………..

(09-17-2019 10:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  https://twitter.com/ACBellino/status/117...16609?s=19

I see the empty stretches. I assumed 20,000 would be there so what we HAD was still great. I could probably make an argument that 900ish empty benches are present if the entire soccer stands hold 700.

Even on the west side if you click on the pic to make it larger, and that's into the 2nd qtr. Remember, too, there were 4 or so HS bands filling in the s/w corner.

Anyway, not gonna . I wish we had a crowd like that every week, plus the occasional sellout (or near) for big games.

(09-18-2019 09:07 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 08:48 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  People do not take into consideration at the amount of people that don’t go to their seats... Some just mill around the stadium( especially the concourses and behind the handicap sections). That may account for several hundred fans...
I think attendance was a legitimate 25,000+ ...

There has to be at least 500 in all of the suites and press box...………..

The press tower/suites/stadium club/ holds just under 1100...
Am not sure if that number is incorporated into total seating capacity of the GB...

(09-18-2019 01:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 09:07 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 08:48 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  People do not take into consideration at the amount of people that don’t go to their seats... Some just mill around the stadium( especially the concourses and behind the handicap sections). That may account for several hundred fans...
I think attendance was a legitimate 25,000+ ...

There has to be at least 500 in all of the suites and press box...………..

The press tower/suites/stadium club/ holds just under 1100...
Am not sure if that number is incorporated into total seating capacity of the GB...

It probably is... And every suite is probably a sell out because they are donor sponsored... So a late November crowd with hand countable people still rings 11,000 because season tix+ suites+ band + students... Haha. I've seen an NIU Crowd that wrecks Kent or EMU and they only call it 8,000.

(09-18-2019 02:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 01:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 09:07 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 08:48 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  People do not take into consideration at the amount of people that don’t go to their seats... Some just mill around the stadium( especially the concourses and behind the handicap sections). That may account for several hundred fans...
I think attendance was a legitimate 25,000+ ...

There has to be at least 500 in all of the suites and press box...………..

The press tower/suites/stadium club/ holds just under 1100...
Am not sure if that number is incorporated into total seating capacity of the GB...

It probably is... And every suite is probably a sell out because they are donor sponsored... So a late November crowd with hand countable people still rings 11,000 because season tix+ suites+ band + students... Haha. I've seen an NIU Crowd that wrecks Kent or EMU and they only call it 8,000.

I think 25,000 is a great crowd, my only point was that before expanding capacity the GB would need to average that number for entire season and have more frequent sell outs (like U Miami game) and I know that's hard as weather turns worse and in seasons like this one where we are stuck with 2 mid week games in November. But bottom line investing in expansion in my opinion is a waste of limited funds, instead let's continue to improve the current experience for those that actually attend, starting with the damn metal benches, better entertainment during TV timeouts, better contests, improved lighting and sound system, etc.....

(09-18-2019 03:52 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 02:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 01:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 09:07 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 08:48 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  People do not take into consideration at the amount of people that don’t go to their seats... Some just mill around the stadium( especially the concourses and behind the handicap sections). That may account for several hundred fans...
I think attendance was a legitimate 25,000+ ...

There has to be at least 500 in all of the suites and press box...………..

The press tower/suites/stadium club/ holds just under 1100...
Am not sure if that number is incorporated into total seating capacity of the GB...

It probably is... And every suite is probably a sell out because they are donor sponsored... So a late November crowd with hand countable people still rings 11,000 because season tix+ suites+ band + students... Haha. I've seen an NIU Crowd that wrecks Kent or EMU and they only call it 8,000.

I think 25,000 is a great crowd, my only point was that before expanding capacity the GB would need to average that number for entire season and have more frequent sell outs (like U Miami game) and I know that's hard as weather turns worse and in seasons like this one where we are stuck with 2 mid week games in November. But bottom line investing in expansion in my opinion is a waste of limited funds, instead let's continue to improve the current experience for those that actually attend, starting with the damn metal benches, better entertainment during TV timeouts, better contests, improved lighting and sound system, etc.....

VMI 24,133 9/1/18 Sat. 7pm
UMiami 28,112 9/15/19 Sat. 12pm
Nevada 23,675 9/22/19 Sat. 12pm
BGSUX 24,695 10/06/19 Sat. 3:30pm
Buffalo 18,114 10/20/19 Sat. 12pm
Ball St 15,214 10/31/19 Wed. 7:30pm
CMU 15,521 11/23/19 Fri. 12pm

2018 Average Attendance 21,353

Need to address attendance issues for later season/midweek games.

(09-18-2019 05:32 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 03:52 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 02:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 01:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 09:07 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  There has to be at least 500 in all of the suites and press box...………..

The press tower/suites/stadium club/ holds just under 1100...
Am not sure if that number is incorporated into total seating capacity of the GB...

It probably is... And every suite is probably a sell out because they are donor sponsored... So a late November crowd with hand countable people still rings 11,000 because season tix+ suites+ band + students... Haha. I've seen an NIU Crowd that wrecks Kent or EMU and they only call it 8,000.

I think 25,000 is a great crowd, my only point was that before expanding capacity the GB would need to average that number for entire season and have more frequent sell outs (like U Miami game) and I know that's hard as weather turns worse and in seasons like this one where we are stuck with 2 mid week games in November. But bottom line investing in expansion in my opinion is a waste of limited funds, instead let's continue to improve the current experience for those that actually attend, starting with the damn metal benches, better entertainment during TV timeouts, better contests, improved lighting and sound system, etc.....

VMI 24,133 9/1/18 Sat. 7pm
UMiami 28,112 9/15/19 Sat. 12pm
Nevada 23,675 9/22/19 Sat. 12pm
BGSUX 24,695 10/06/19 Sat. 3:30pm
Buffalo 18,114 10/20/19 Sat. 12pm
Ball St 15,214 10/31/19 Wed. 7:30pm
CMU 15,521 11/23/19 Fri. 12pm

2018 Average Attendance 21,353

Need to address attendance issues for later season/midweek games.

We won then lost on a roller coaster every other week in 2018. We as a team didn't gain momentum when we had the chance. That ultimately led to poor attendance down the stretch.

This year WMU, EMU and NIU are big draws for league supremacy and fans. KSU will be the worst attended game. If we get 20,000 for that it will be a miracle. Students will need lots of incentive.

(09-18-2019 03:52 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 02:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 01:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 09:07 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 08:48 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  People do not take into consideration at the amount of people that don’t go to their seats... Some just mill around the stadium( especially the concourses and behind the handicap sections). That may account for several hundred fans...
I think attendance was a legitimate 25,000+ ...

There has to be at least 500 in all of the suites and press box...………..

The press tower/suites/stadium club/ holds just under 1100...
Am not sure if that number is incorporated into total seating capacity of the GB...

It probably is... And every suite is probably a sell out because they are donor sponsored... So a late November crowd with hand countable people still rings 11,000 because season tix+ suites+ band + students... Haha. I've seen an NIU Crowd that wrecks Kent or EMU and they only call it 8,000.

I think 25,000 is a great crowd, my only point was that before expanding capacity the GB would need to average that number for entire season and have more frequent sell outs (like U Miami game) and I know that's hard as weather turns worse and in seasons like this one where we are stuck with 2 mid week games in November. But bottom line investing in expansion in my opinion is a waste of limited funds, instead let's continue to improve the current experience for those that actually attend, starting with the damn metal benches, better entertainment during TV timeouts, better contests, improved lighting and sound system, etc.....

We just got a new sound system. What type of seats would you replace the metal ones with?

(09-18-2019 06:41 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 03:52 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 02:13 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 01:46 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 09:07 AM)stpeterocketfan Wrote:  There has to be at least 500 in all of the suites and press box...………..

The press tower/suites/stadium club/ holds just under 1100...
Am not sure if that number is incorporated into total seating capacity of the GB...

It probably is... And every suite is probably a sell out because they are donor sponsored... So a late November crowd with hand countable people still rings 11,000 because season tix+ suites+ band + students... Haha. I've seen an NIU Crowd that wrecks Kent or EMU and they only call it 8,000.

I think 25,000 is a great crowd, my only point was that before expanding capacity the GB would need to average that number for entire season and have more frequent sell outs (like U Miami game) and I know that's hard as weather turns worse and in seasons like this one where we are stuck with 2 mid week games in November. But bottom line investing in expansion in my opinion is a waste of limited funds, instead let's continue to improve the current experience for those that actually attend, starting with the damn metal benches, better entertainment during TV timeouts, better contests, improved lighting and sound system, etc.....

We just got a new sound system. What type of seats would you replace the metal ones with?

Preferred Seating in Indianapolis has The Tuf Seat.
They are chair back seats that can be retro-fitted
to bleachers. Available in a lot of colors and affordable. Its what BYU has in their stadium.

(09-18-2019 07:20 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 06:41 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 03:52 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  instead let's continue to improve the current experience for those that actually attend, starting with the damn metal benches,

What type of seats would you replace the metal ones with?

Preferred Seating in Indianapolis has The Tuf Seat.
They are chair back seats that can be retro-fitted
to bleachers. Available in a lot of colors and affordable. Its what BYU has in their stadium.

Seat backs?!?!

Back in the day we cushioned the concrete we sat on with snow. We walked upstairs both ways to the concession stands. You peed off the top row and if you were lucky, you didn't get blow back of yellow ice.

snowflakes

smh