(12-28-2018 08:56 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Who would have known we would have so many defensive coordinators who are also diehard fans...

You don't have to be a Defensive Coordinator to critique a coach and their employment history. Drink has never been a DC yet is able to critique and hire a defensive coordinator.

Comment doesn't make sense nor does it add anything to the discussion.

(12-28-2018 10:34 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:56 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Who would have known we would have so many defensive coordinators who are also diehard fans...

You don't have to be a Defensive Coordinator to critique a coach and their employment history. Drink has never been a DC yet is able to critique and hire a defensive coordinator.

Comment doesn't make sense nor does it add anything to the discussion.

Drink has been an Offensive coordinator and understands what defensive philosophies he believes create the most disruption and are most effective.

Geez don't go to Yosef's cabin with a different opinion than most everyone else. Lots drinking the Roof kool aid over there. I am just not sold on this hire. I think there were better options but don't tell them that.

Had a few minutes to spare to dig up these posts. Those that don't like the Ted Roof hire can relate. Not trying to stir the pot with App State, just trying to show what the Roof haters already know. Every school has a few puzzling hires, and I firmly believe App State made a mistake, but hey it's your school... I'll give App State a pass because 1) They've been ridiculously consistent - nobody stays perfect forever. 2) There's always a chance he'll work out and 3) I'm a GS guy, so who cares what I think.

https://www.aufamily.com/forums/topic/14...candidate/

https://stingtalk.com/board/threads/ted-...-st.99700/

https://stingtalk.com/board/threads/fire...ain.90428/

One bad hire out of 10. I don't like it but I also have to live with it. Lets hope he can recruit here and get the job done. I think a lot of App fans are making excuses as to why this hire will be good and are trying to justify it in their heads. I could justify all the others but not this one. I tried trust me. Saying recruits are not smart enough to get into GaTech so maybe the talent wasn't there. So on and so on. I hope I am wrong I really do but I don't think this was the right choice for our DC. Will it mean we lose games next year? I dunno. Our O is going to be great. Might be some closer games and a lot of nail biting with whoever gets the ball last.

I personally do not like those games but again that is just my opinion.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the Roof hire but it is possible Drink wants an experienced former head coach to assist him since this is his first HC position and most of his other hires so far are relatively young.

I think the reason Roof hasn't been announced in the 12 days of Drinkmas is because of the Co-DC label that will be applied. They need to nail down two contracts before announcing.

They announced very early that Cardwell was not returning while Watts, Smith, and Clark were. The rest of the coaching staff has gone to UL with Sat. That only leaves Coach Gasp lingering out there in limbo.

(12-28-2018 01:40 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I think the reason Roof hasn't been announced in the 12 days of Drinkmas is because of the Co-DC label that will be applied. They need to nail down two contracts before announcing.

This makes sense and hope you are right. Seems the co-DC is pretty common these days as well.

(12-28-2018 10:34 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:56 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Who would have known we would have so many defensive coordinators who are also diehard fans...

Comment doesn't make sense nor does it add anything to the discussion.

That summarizes your posting contributions on anything App St. I couldn't have said it better myself. How is ECUs DC doing? Have you spent more years in Greenville than me? You must be qualified to weigh in then.

Your use of Drink not being a evaluator or defensive coaching talent is comical, who do you think he schemes against every week?

(12-28-2018 11:59 AM)asu7 Wrote:  Geez don't go to Yosef's cabin with a different opinion than most everyone else. Lots drinking the Roof kool aid over there. I am just not sold on this hire. I think there were better options but don't tell them that.

Most of the YC guys live in a fantasy world. Not impressed with the Roof hire at all. We could have done much better. He is a long time base 4-3 guy and in spite of all Drinks comments I believe we'll see our hybrid 3 man front slowly disappear. Due to personnel they'll have little choice but to stick with it. However, the next few recruiting years will be a clear indication which way the D is headed.

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(12-28-2018 01:36 PM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  I'm cautiously optimistic about the Roof hire but it is possible Drink wants an experienced former head coach to assist him since this is his first HC position and most of his other hires so far are relatively young.

I hope there is no assistance as a Head Coach.

8 wins in 4 seasons.

Geez.

(12-28-2018 02:40 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 10:34 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:56 AM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Who would have known we would have so many defensive coordinators who are also diehard fans...

Comment doesn't make sense nor does it add anything to the discussion.

That summarizes your posting contributions on anything App St. I couldn't have said it better myself. How is ECUs DC doing? Have you spent more years in Greenville than me? You must be qualified to weigh in then.

Your use of Drink not being a evaluator or defensive coaching talent is comical, who do you think he schemes against every week?

The point is that you justify the dismissing of others opinions because they aren't DC's. Your argument wasn't "your opinion doesn't matter because you don't analyze defenses, coach defense, or coach football". Thus, your argument of fans not being a DC, thus not being allowed to have an opinion, is invalid.

I spent 3 years in Greenville, 17 years about 35 - 45 minutes from Boone, depending on 2 lane versus 4 lane, trucks/campers/RV you are stuck behind, and ice that usually hits as you round the 4th turn from Blowing Rock.

If you want to make an argument to invalidate quite a few peoples opinion, not just mine, perhaps you should evaluate your structure. You've yet to say why Roof will be a good hire considering the state of the program and Roof's history as a coach. Why will he be good for recruiting? Why will he be good for App State? Aside from having the Georgia connection, but not knowing the alternatives available to Drink, this doesn't jump out as a quality coach.

Many others have voiced this same opinion of Roof and concerns since he was even mentioned as a possibility. Using the fact that I attended ECU instead of staying down the road from my parents as a reason to bolster your opinion that Roof is a quality coach doesn't make sense.

I'd trust Georgia Southern fan's opinions of this guy considering they should have defeated him while he was at Georgia Tech. As residents of Georgia, they are also privy to the general feeling around the program at that time.

(12-28-2018 03:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 11:59 AM)asu7 Wrote:  Geez don't go to Yosef's cabin with a different opinion than most everyone else. Lots drinking the Roof kool aid over there. I am just not sold on this hire. I think there were better options but don't tell them that.

Most of the YC guys live in a fantasy world. Not impressed with the Roof hire at all. We could have done much better. He is a long time base 4-3 guy and in spite of all Drinks comments I believe we'll see our hybrid 3 man front slowly disappear. Due to personnel they'll have little choice but to stick with it. However, the next few recruiting years will be a clear indication which way the D is headed.

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But he coached a 3-4 defense in Minnesota!

Then promptly left, as per usual.

Considering how divisive folks are with Roof should serve as an indication alone that it's rough seas. When even your hated rival is going WTF, you know there's smoke to that fire. Some of know us know the importance of having a solid competitor in this conference. Again, who knows - he could turn the defense into a brick wall and all this would be a waste of bandwidth along with most of the internet.

(12-28-2018 03:47 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  Again, who knows - he could turn the defense into a brick wall

I know, right! History proves the same response. Just doing some CYA

(12-28-2018 03:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 03:47 PM)stingingeagle Wrote:  Again, who knows - he could turn the defense into a brick wall

(12-28-2018 01:40 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I think the reason Roof hasn't been announced in the 12 days of Drinkmas is because of the Co-DC label that will be applied. They need to nail down two contracts before announcing.

Yosef is trying so hard to will this into reality.

I mean lets completely ignore the fact that it is incredibly common to not name assistants officially for a couple weeks while contracts are worked out. There's all sorts of BOT Approval processes you have to go through with assistant contracts, plus waiting on existing contracts at other schools to end.

AState has gone nearly a month before without announcing an assistant that had been working here all that time anyway.

If Roof craps the bed he won't last here, but if/when he doesn't this thread will be gold.

(12-27-2018 06:43 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(12-27-2018 04:58 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-27-2018 04:31 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  

(12-27-2018 04:22 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-27-2018 02:17 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  We all had as feeling it would be him, if he can't shut people down regularly with the returning talent he gets on that side of the ball he won't be working here too long.

People here questioned the hire of Nate Woody and switch to the 3-4 awhile back though, look how that turned out.

This is a completely different situation. App has an elite defense as is with the entire unit returning save Stout. Unless Roof some how learns how to coach and scheme a 3-4 defense, this is a terrible, terrible hire. Nate Woody was a solid defensive coach at Wofford for quite some time prior to making the move to App. No comparison to be made here.

So are you saying people didn't question the Nate Woody hire and switch to 3-4 just like you are here with Roof?

Woody's resume wasn't a journey man type that Roof has but he also wasn't being highly sought after by most schools during the 4-3 era. Roof used a 3-4 at Minnesota and has tons of experience coaching at multiple levels and positions. I will trust in Drink until proven otherwise and not some halfway ECU fanboy.

Considering I lived in the area around Boone for a longer period of time than you

Do you think you know me or something? Is that your argument then? How is Houston's DC hire, any comments on that one or did he mess up too. What kind of defensive calls will you make for App this season?

Everyone should chill out, it's not like he has already lost to Liberty or something.

I went back and read the Liberty thread on the Cabin the other night. Fun times.