Luckeyone
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RE: Done with this garbage
(01-15-2018 09:31 AM)emu steve Wrote: (01-15-2018 08:47 AM)EAGLE KING Wrote: (01-15-2018 07:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote: I wonder how much we are going to offer this "splash hire", and why any "splashy" candidate would take it.
This isn't like firing Ramsey, where we had to replace a bad recruiter AND a bad X and O's guy. We are firing a guy who, at the very least, put a competitive product on the floor. If we fire Murphy to hire another Ramsey, then what was the point? Good coaching candidates will cost more than the pennies we are paying Murphy.
Sam I have always respected your posts, insights, and especially basketball knowledge. However you cannot be okay with keeping him around knowing what the results will be? His only division title season where he won COY, he was 5 games under .500. Do I know who we will hire? No. Do I know how we will afford it? No. But I also cannot accept keeping him just because those are unknowns at this point. CC was a complete unknown to everyone and was exactly what we needed.
Rob is being out coached by teams with half as much talent, by coaches who get the absolute best out of their players. We need someone who can come in and maximize our talent. Recruiting will always be difficult for an EMU basketball coach, but there will always be smaller but talented players willing to come to Mid Majors (Ellison, McAdoo, Stone) and we need someone who can strike gold with those talents.
E'King:
The difference is that EMU is putting good money into its FB program while MBB is getting crumbs.
And I'll say, since your raised it, we will never be a very good team relying on MI high school players. The depth in MI h.s. boys basketball just isn't there most years (2018 is an exception). We aren't going to win MAC championships with MI kids. The best players on this year's team are JT4, Minnie, Jackson, and Bond, none of whom are from MI. The fifth best, Groce, transferred back to EMU. Parenthetically, the same holds true for FB. We do much, much better out-of-state. The talent is in places we are hitting like FL, Ga, Tx, OH, etc. and, of course, JUCOs. If we relied on MI FB recruits for our recruiting base, we'd be lost. MI h.s. FB does not compete well vs. TX, FL, GA, La, CA, etc.
The best mid-major in MI, Oakland, has relied on transfers, as we do.
Wrong, wrong, wrong on Michigan highschool talent. There's a ton of talent here in Michigan every year in the D, in Flint, in Saginaw, in Lansing, etc, etc. Just go look at the rosters of WMU, CMU, EMU, Oakland, UofD, Toledo, Cleveland St, etc..... Michigan has great highschool talent. If we had a coach who was successful, plays exciting basketball, we would get our share of players. Murphy specifically recruits length to fit his system. He recruits very talented players that underachieve and are underutilized.
A program is on it's way up or down and all of the MAC coaches simply negatively recruit against Murphy because of Murphy's lack of success. When Murphy competes against the MAC coaches, his peers will tell recruits Murphy will never win a MAC Championship just look at his record. So Murphy recruits mostly outside of Michigan so coaches can't negatively recruit against him plus he looks for the certain type of "length" to play in his zone. Murphy doesn't recruit great players and coaches to his rosters strength, he recruits great players for his underachieving system.
Lots of talent in the state. We need to hire a coach with a vision similar to CC. A coach who will establish a brand, an identity, who can manage all aspects of the program.
State of Michigan in top 10 for highschool players and we are a few players from being in top 5.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/...p-25-teams
(This post was last modified: 01-15-2018 10:45 AM by Luckeyone.)
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