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(01-16-2018 07:45 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
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(01-15-2018 10:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  EMU has not been able to recruit the state of Michigan well this century. That does not mean there is no talent in the state of Michigan. The talent is there; we need a coach who is willing to build relationships with the high school coaches in this state, and who can build up that talent once the players arrive on campus. We currently have a coach too lazy to do either.

Creighton's still has problems recruiting in Michigan is he lazy too?

Is he making an effort to do so?

Yes both Murphy and Creighton will tell you they have a Michigan first recruiting policy. Both suffer from the "image" problems left by previous coaches you know like below .500 records and other problems.

Murphy's community engagement is pretty low, from what I've heard.
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When we get into recruiting MI we get into silliness and lack of knowledge. Folks just don't do their homework.

There is EXACTLY ONE MI h.s. recruit on the EMU WBB team.

Creighton signed what THREE for his 2018 recruiting class last month.

Murphy actually has a high percentage with 5 / 13 scholarship players originally from MI h.s. (one was JUCO and one was a D-I transfer).

The notion that FB or WBB or MBB recruits MI well is fiction. It is ACROSS THE BOARD in all of our 'revenue sports.' It is not Murphy, Creighton, Verdi, Castro, etc. It is a long standing problem. I have been following EMU recruiting for a 1/4 century (going back to around 1992) and Ron Cooper was the only one who could mine MI h.s. recruits with a high degree of success. He was impressive. Braun was good but also would have been lost without players like Boykins (Ohio), Nink (Ohio), Mick P (Austrialia), etc. I don't know if Waters was the one who recruited Tolbert, Wilson, Dial, Head, etc. We did have good MI kids but that was 20 - 25 years ago and a lot has changed in MBB across the country.

I'm a big 'compare and contrast' guy. How are things similar and how are they dissimilar? Does one program recruit well while the others do not? Do they all not recruit MI well?

Quick pivot to FB: CC has been trying very hard to make inroads into MI recruiting. It isn't easy. CMU and WMU both are very well established in-state as are others like Toledo. WMU isn't rolling over for anyone in the MAC.
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(01-16-2018 11:16 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:45 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:53 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:27 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 10:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  EMU has not been able to recruit the state of Michigan well this century. That does not mean there is no talent in the state of Michigan. The talent is there; we need a coach who is willing to build relationships with the high school coaches in this state, and who can build up that talent once the players arrive on campus. We currently have a coach too lazy to do either.

Creighton's still has problems recruiting in Michigan is he lazy too?

Is he making an effort to do so?

Yes both Murphy and Creighton will tell you they have a Michigan first recruiting policy. Both suffer from the "image" problems left by previous coaches you know like below .500 records and other problems.

Murphy's community engagement is pretty low, from what I've heard.

It has to be low. He lives in Syracuse for most of the year. That serves as a symbol for me. To his credit, his foundation has been getting some publicity for their work in Detroit and Ypsi. But I think his Syracuse home serves as a symbol: he isn't totally committed to get the Ypsi/Arbor area dedicated to EMU basketball.

Creighton stood in the parking lot with Wetherbee for hours, greeting students/faculty/staff and letting them know athletics was letting them park for free that day at the Student Center. That's grassroots outreach. Has Murphy done that?
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(01-16-2018 11:53 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 11:16 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:45 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:53 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:27 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Creighton's still has problems recruiting in Michigan is he lazy too?

Is he making an effort to do so?

Yes both Murphy and Creighton will tell you they have a Michigan first recruiting policy. Both suffer from the "image" problems left by previous coaches you know like below .500 records and other problems.

Murphy's community engagement is pretty low, from what I've heard.

It has to be low. He lives in Syracuse for most of the year. That serves as a symbol for me. To his credit, his foundation has been getting some publicity for their work in Detroit and Ypsi. But I think his Syracuse home serves as a symbol: he isn't totally committed to get the Ypsi/Arbor area dedicated to EMU basketball.

Creighton stood in the parking lot with Wetherbee for hours, greeting students/faculty/staff and letting them know athletics was letting them park for free that day at the Student Center. That's grassroots outreach. Has Murphy done that?

Murphy's wife has a career in Syracuse which she did not give up.

I have no idea how much time he spends there and how much in S.E. MI. Frank, I doubt your statement that he lives most of the year in Syracuse. How could he? He isn't in a position, like the President of the U.S., to set his own schedule and trips as he see fit. He has to answer to an AD like anyone else who works in the athletic department. If anything, coaches probably do not use all of their vacation time.

He may have an off season weekend relationship. Sports are crazy. Tough on marriages as they involve a lot of travel, work weekends, and aren't 8 to 5 government jobs.
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Frank you bring up a great point. He would probably be happier on the Syracuse staff.
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(01-16-2018 07:45 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:53 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:27 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 10:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  EMU has not been able to recruit the state of Michigan well this century. That does not mean there is no talent in the state of Michigan. The talent is there; we need a coach who is willing to build relationships with the high school coaches in this state, and who can build up that talent once the players arrive on campus. We currently have a coach too lazy to do either.

Creighton's still has problems recruiting in Michigan is he lazy too?

Is he making an effort to do so?

Yes both Murphy and Creighton will tell you they have a Michigan first recruiting policy. Both suffer from the "image" problems left by previous coaches you know like below .500 records and other problems.
Unfortunately Murphy is adding to the image problem.
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(01-16-2018 12:38 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:45 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:53 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:27 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 10:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  EMU has not been able to recruit the state of Michigan well this century. That does not mean there is no talent in the state of Michigan. The talent is there; we need a coach who is willing to build relationships with the high school coaches in this state, and who can build up that talent once the players arrive on campus. We currently have a coach too lazy to do either.

Creighton's still has problems recruiting in Michigan is he lazy too?

Is he making an effort to do so?

Yes both Murphy and Creighton will tell you they have a Michigan first recruiting policy. Both suffer from the "image" problems left by previous coaches you know like below .500 records and other problems.
Unfortunately Murphy is adding to the image problem.

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(01-16-2018 12:38 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:45 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:53 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:27 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 10:05 PM)holybovine Wrote:  EMU has not been able to recruit the state of Michigan well this century. That does not mean there is no talent in the state of Michigan. The talent is there; we need a coach who is willing to build relationships with the high school coaches in this state, and who can build up that talent once the players arrive on campus. We currently have a coach too lazy to do either.

Creighton's still has problems recruiting in Michigan is he lazy too?

Is he making an effort to do so?

Yes both Murphy and Creighton will tell you they have a Michigan first recruiting policy. Both suffer from the "image" problems left by previous coaches you know like below .500 records and other problems.
Unfortunately Murphy is adding to the image problem.

Explain how Lucky. How is he hurting EMU's men's basketball image any worse than Barnes, Boone and Ramsey did? He's still over .500 for his 7 years here and while I agree we need a coaching change to get us hopefully over the .500 hump, I don't think Murphy has hurt EMU's image in the college basketball world at all, the problem with Murphy is he is a one trick pony with his 2-3 zone and is too stubborn to see offensive and defensive change ups are necessary. He has the talent but doesn' t coach it up. Creighton take average talent and coach it up to above average talent. Murphy takes above average physical talent and it becomes average talent. And frankly some of the players Murphy has brought into the program are head cases personality wise. I'll say it again if some of these players were football instead of basketball Creighton would not have them on his team. Yes I am in agreement we need a Chris Creighton type to be our next men's basketball coach.
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(01-16-2018 12:02 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 11:53 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 11:16 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:45 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:53 AM)holybovine Wrote:  Is he making an effort to do so?

Yes both Murphy and Creighton will tell you they have a Michigan first recruiting policy. Both suffer from the "image" problems left by previous coaches you know like below .500 records and other problems.

Murphy's community engagement is pretty low, from what I've heard.

It has to be low. He lives in Syracuse for most of the year. That serves as a symbol for me. To his credit, his foundation has been getting some publicity for their work in Detroit and Ypsi. But I think his Syracuse home serves as a symbol: he isn't totally committed to get the Ypsi/Arbor area dedicated to EMU basketball.

Creighton stood in the parking lot with Wetherbee for hours, greeting students/faculty/staff and letting them know athletics was letting them park for free that day at the Student Center. That's grassroots outreach. Has Murphy done that?

Murphy's wife has a career in Syracuse which she did not give up.

I have no idea how much time he spends there and how much in S.E. MI. Frank, I doubt your statement that he lives most of the year in Syracuse. How could he? He isn't in a position, like the President of the U.S., to set his own schedule and trips as he see fit. He has to answer to an AD like anyone else who works in the athletic department. If anything, coaches probably do not use all of their vacation time.

During the Syracuse broadcast, the announcers said Murphy told them about his home in Syracuse. His kids go to school in Syracuse, and he "commutes" between the two locations.

Maybe they came up with the word "commute," not Murphy. And you are correctly, I can't say whether or not he spends 51%+ of his time in NY or MI. But I think the fact that his family lives in another state is symbolic that his roots aren't totally settled here.

He used have to be here weekly to do his radio show from a local restaurant, but that's done via call now, so that's one less time he's in a local establishment. Does he knock on dorm doors with players to ask that the come out to games? I don't remember that happening in the past few years.

My point: Eastern Michigan needs a coach who can restore the relationship between Michigan High School coaches and EMU. We need a coach who can bring back local interest in EMU basketball. We need a coach who can go on local TV sport shows on weeknights, like Creighton has done multiple times since arriving.

Murphy seems to have legitimate reasons for keeping the home in Syracuse. I don't bring that up to question his character. But I don't think that is the type of coaching situation that EMU needs. I'm sure Coach K at Duke can have 4 houses all over the country and still be successful. We need outreach and relationships HERE.
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(01-16-2018 12:15 PM)JonesGoddard Wrote:  Frank you bring up a great point. He would probably be happier on the Syracuse staff.
Luckily for him and us, he will be able to spend all his time in beautiful, balmy Syracuse shortly after this season.
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(01-16-2018 01:39 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 12:15 PM)JonesGoddard Wrote:  Frank you bring up a great point. He would probably be happier on the Syracuse staff.
Luckily for him and us, he will be able to spend all his time in beautiful, balmy Syracuse shortly after this season.

Great Keno will also have lots of spare time to visit Murphy in Syracuse.
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(01-16-2018 12:15 PM)JonesGoddard Wrote:  Frank you bring up a great point. He would probably be happier on the Syracuse staff.

I know I would be :-)
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Frank,

Do you prefer that Mrs. Murphy have her career or she come to Ypsilanti and get a job at EMU.

When Gary Waters left EMU for Kent his wife came with her and got a HR job at Kent.

If Mrs. Murphy came to Ypsi and got a job with the U, folks here would be howling, too.

The idea of separating families in sports is as common as cold weather in Green Bay.
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(01-16-2018 03:38 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Frank,

Do you prefer that Mrs. Murphy have her career or she come to Ypsilanti and get a job at EMU.

When Gary Waters left EMU for Kent his wife came with her and got a HR job at Kent.

If Mrs. Murphy came to Ypsi and got a job with the U, folks here would be howling, too.

The idea of separating families in sports is as common as cold weather in Green Bay.
Soon it will all be a moot point.
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(01-16-2018 03:38 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Frank,

Do you prefer that Mrs. Murphy have her career or she come to Ypsilanti and get a job at EMU.

When Gary Waters left EMU for Kent his wife came with her and got a HR job at Kent.

If Mrs. Murphy came to Ypsi and got a job with the U, folks here would be howling, too.

The idea of separating families in sports is as common as cold weather in Green Bay.

Not at all. I respect Rob's choice to encourage his wife's career in central-NY. More husbands need to do that.

All I'm saying is it makes it more difficult to do the kind of grassroots marketing/outreach that we need at EMU. Rob's choice is an admirable one, but it makes it harder build the local relationships (not just recruiting) we need here.

"In a perfect world" we would have a coaching candidate whose family could easily move here. Eastern Michigan isn't Duke, where the local/campus area relationships don't matter as much.
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However 3 of my choices for new coach would be in the area or could easily move here still waiting for more candidates with their resumes its one thing to say you want Murphy gone and another to find a coach that will do a better job
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(01-16-2018 04:21 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:38 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Frank,

Do you prefer that Mrs. Murphy have her career or she come to Ypsilanti and get a job at EMU.

When Gary Waters left EMU for Kent his wife came with her and got a HR job at Kent.

If Mrs. Murphy came to Ypsi and got a job with the U, folks here would be howling, too.

The idea of separating families in sports is as common as cold weather in Green Bay.

Not at all. I respect Rob's choice to encourage his wife's career in central-NY. More husbands need to do that.

All I'm saying is it makes it more difficult to do the kind of grassroots marketing/outreach that we need at EMU. Rob's choice is an admirable one, but it makes it harder build the local relationships (not just recruiting) we need here.

"In a perfect world" we would have a coaching candidate whose family could easily move here. Eastern Michigan isn't Duke, where the local/campus area relationships don't matter as much.

I respect the Murphy's choice to do whatever works for them in their marriage and for the their kids
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Bring in the Clarkston HS coach. He's a good recruiter.
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