(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

This is where I place the other link. Ok....

The rail yard does not exactly need updating. Norfolk Southern built a new yard in Rossville. [1] But even if you moved the line around the south of the city, the trains still need to go through the city. So you would still have to somehow be able to get rail cars to CSX in North Memphis, and the CN Yard inter-model yard in South Memphis. (There are other yards as well.)

The whole idea was to try to add this on the southern gateway project, which would be the third bridge project which was supposed to have rail lines. [2] Since our two major rail bridges weren't build to with stand earthquakes. The technology didn't exist at the time. :)

[1] - https://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/20...rossville/
[2] - http://www.southerngatewayproject.com/index.asp

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

(07-12-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

Respectfully, If you think East Memphis, Germantown and Collierville are gonna allow a commuter train into their safehaven then you are dreaming. There is a reason the Atlanta MARTA Red Line ends at Sandy Springs and doesn't go all the way to Alpharetta.

(07-12-2017 03:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

Respectfully, If you think East Memphis, Germantown and Collierville are gonna allow a commuter train into their safehaven then you are dreaming. There is a reason the Atlanta MARTA Red Line ends at Sandy Springs and doesn't go all the way to Alpharetta.

I think East Memphis would totally go for a line straight down the Poplar corridor into downtown. G'town & Collierville might not, but that's not my problem.

(07-12-2017 03:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 03:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

Respectfully, If you think East Memphis, Germantown and Collierville are gonna allow a commuter train into their safehaven then you are dreaming. There is a reason the Atlanta MARTA Red Line ends at Sandy Springs and doesn't go all the way to Alpharetta.

I think East Memphis would totally go for a line straight down the Poplar corridor into downtown. G'town & Collierville might not, but that's not my problem.

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

(07-12-2017 10:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

Here we go.......

(07-13-2017 07:17 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

Here we go.......

(07-12-2017 10:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

Won't be any train lines or their ROW moved unless it benefits the RR - the RR's have no interest in accommodation at any level.

(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

Won't be any train lines or their ROW moved unless it benefits the RR - the RR's have no interest in accommodation at any level.

Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector, trolley yourself right into downtown. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

(07-13-2017 10:16 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 07:17 AM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

Here we go.......

I can relate.

(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

Won't be any train lines or their ROW moved unless it benefits the RR - the RR's have no interest in accommodation at any level.

Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

(07-09-2017 05:52 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 09:53 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:24 PM)Claw Wrote:  The Fairgrounds has NEVER generated any significant economic activity in that area.

Anyone promising that now is either ignorant or a liar.

Wouldn't you have to build something there in order to generate income. That's what the discussion is about.

The Square was dead. It's thriving now.
South Main was caving in. It's a hotspot of development.
The Highland and Walker area by the UM was sad. Now its reinvented plus Highland row.
The Crosstown development is jumpstarting 38104.
The Pinch District is about to explode with $billions of development led by St Jude, City and private investment.
Beale, Broad Ave, I know there are others are happening because people with vision invest in the future. Even public housing has been reinvented as mixed use developments rather than warehouses for people living in poverty.

You don't shy away from a challenged neighborhood because it's a challenged neighborhood. You invest in making things better. That's what great cities do. They reinvent themselves over and over and over.

^^^
All of this.

We went to Nashville this weekend for the US Soccer game - if they had shied away from areas because they were "challenged," there would be no Gulch, no East Nashville resurgence, etc. Small-minded thinking gets us nowhere.

I agree. To be big, you gotta dream big. Biggest dream of all -go secure that Jacksonville Jaguars joke of a franchise (and would have been ours if we built a new damn stadium in the first place) or any other franchise willing to relocate, build the site with a new stadium and built in entertainment district (a la Busch Stadium in St. Louis).

Pie in the sky pipe dream, but we really screwed that expansion process up back in '93. No new stadium, no franchise.

Hound Dogs. LOL

So stupid.

(07-13-2017 12:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hound Dogs. LOL

So stupid.

That name really didn't fly with me and I question if that really would have made it going forward (but, they did trademark it). Not long ago a buddy of mine created the following just for kicks:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/48986085...am-Concept

(07-13-2017 01:50 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 12:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hound Dogs. LOL

So stupid.

That name really didn't fly with me and I question if that really would have made it going forward (but, they did trademark it). Not long ago a buddy of mine created the following just for kicks:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/48986085...am-Concept

That logo looks ruff.

(07-13-2017 02:14 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:50 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 12:34 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Hound Dogs. LOL

So stupid.

That name really didn't fly with me and I question if that really would have made it going forward (but, they did trademark it). Not long ago a buddy of mine created the following just for kicks:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/48986085...am-Concept

That logo looks ruff.

Well played.

(07-12-2017 03:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

Respectfully, If you think East Memphis, Germantown and Collierville are gonna allow a commuter train into their safehaven then you are dreaming. There is a reason the Atlanta MARTA Red Line ends at Sandy Springs and doesn't go all the way to Alpharetta.

Is the Nashville Star not going to run south through Franklin? I know they were talking about it coming through Hendersonville when I was living there.

(07-13-2017 04:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 03:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

Respectfully, If you think East Memphis, Germantown and Collierville are gonna allow a commuter train into their safehaven then you are dreaming. There is a reason the Atlanta MARTA Red Line ends at Sandy Springs and doesn't go all the way to Alpharetta.

Is the Nashville Star not going to run south through Franklin? I know they were talking about it coming through Hendersonville when I was living there.

It only goes out to Lebanon now.

(07-13-2017 04:50 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 04:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 03:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

Respectfully, If you think East Memphis, Germantown and Collierville are gonna allow a commuter train into their safehaven then you are dreaming. There is a reason the Atlanta MARTA Red Line ends at Sandy Springs and doesn't go all the way to Alpharetta.

Is the Nashville Star not going to run south through Franklin? I know they were talking about it coming through Hendersonville when I was living there.

It only goes out to Lebanon now.

How far from the speedway? Is it a transportation option if the place is ever sold and reopened?