(07-08-2017 11:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:50 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

Yeah right, the Agricenter area is a blast! Gonna travel for miles to hang out at the green line. Or possibly have some fine dining at Chikfila or Perkins. May just cruise Gtown road and go to Rafferties. You know, step it up a bit! Lots of tourist attractions around, you're right...

So, let me see. You want to hang around the fairgrounds area? Brilliant! Maybe invite some of your new friends over for a cocktail in the new RV? Great idea! Maybe take a late night stroll over the tracks and visit some pals at the Orange Mound grill?

Dude, there are some great areas in Memphis near the fairgrounds. Chickasaw Gardens has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods. But it's a marginally safe area, just a rocks throw from ghetto pretty much anywhere around there. You'd need a real security presence to make people feel safe there.

you're so full of it...

I loved going to Patriot Lake and riding horses in Shelby Farms when I was younger, it was an absolute blast. I love walking the Greenline trails as an adult (try getting out and doing things) moreover, why eat the crap you list when you could go to The Kitchen or Deli Mexicana? Don't like those options? Go to the Agricenter farmer's market and make a healthy feast in your RV.

Don't wanna eat in your midtown RV? cool, head over to the Cooper-Young ent district with places like Soul Fish and Central BBQ? Why would anyone skip The Kroc Center or Children's museum to cross over RR tracks and Norfolk Southern Harris yard just to go to Orange Mound?

any and everyone can see the obvious racial bias in your posts as it makes zero sense...you're also clearly a negative personality.

Nice try, Junior. The Agricenter RV park is popular, because it's a safe place to park. Not because of all the fun stuff to do around there. That's rich... Shelby farms is nice, the Kitchen is a great place, but in the end, its popular due to safety.

I've lived in Memphis a long time. I like it here. But I'm not a fool that goes bar hopping down Airways blvd. I'm not negative by any means, nor am I racist. That's the typical response these days. Sorry, but the fairgrounds isn't in a great area in Memphis. There are pockets of great areas, Cooper Young, the revitalized Overton Square area, Chickasaw Gardens, etc. And, not to be negative, but Memphis has a very high crime rate. It's just a fact. I still love it here despite this, but I also carry and try to be aware of my surroundings. Most people take normal precautions here. It's just common sense...

So, if you want an RV park at the fairgrounds, you'll have to make sure it's safe. I'm not saying it's impossible by any means but it would have to be a priority.

(07-08-2017 11:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:50 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

Yeah right, the Agricenter area is a blast! Gonna travel for miles to hang out at the green line. Or possibly have some fine dining at Chikfila or Perkins. May just cruise Gtown road and go to Rafferties. You know, step it up a bit! Lots of tourist attractions around, you're right...

So, let me see. You want to hang around the fairgrounds area? Brilliant! Maybe invite some of your new friends over for a cocktail in the new RV? Great idea! Maybe take a late night stroll over the tracks and visit some pals at the Orange Mound grill?

Dude, there are some great areas in Memphis near the fairgrounds. Chickasaw Gardens has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods. But it's a marginally safe area, just a rocks throw from ghetto pretty much anywhere around there. You'd need a real security presence to make people feel safe there.

you're so full of it...

I loved going to Patriot Lake and riding horses in Shelby Farms when I was younger, it was an absolute blast. I love walking the Greenline trails as an adult (try getting out and doing things) moreover, why eat the crap you list when you could go to The Kitchen or Deli Mexicana? (also a stones throw from the Butcher Shop which is decent for a chain place) Don't like those options? Go to the Agricenter farmer's market and make a healthy feast in your RV.

Don't wanna eat in your midtown RV? cool, head over to the Cooper-Young ent district with places like Soul Fish and Central BBQ? Why would anyone skip The Kroc Center or Children's museum to cross over RR tracks and Norfolk Southern Harris yard just to go to Orange Mound?

any and everyone can see the obvious racial bias in your posts as it makes zero sense...you're also clearly a negative personality.

(07-08-2017 11:06 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Gotta be careful not to stray too far off the beaten path just to save a few dollars on parking. Out of towners are unfamiliar with the street parking just west of Hollywood and Coca-Cola.

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdeta...d:0OtOoDHC

dude up the street here in Germantown got robbed right in his driveway. It was part of a chain of Gtown driveway robberies...is Germantown now unsafe because of a couple incidents?

Do you really want to compare Germantown crime statistics with the fairgrounds area? Are you really that ignorant?

By the way, the Butcher shop sucks...

(07-08-2017 12:23 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 11:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:50 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

Yeah right, the Agricenter area is a blast! Gonna travel for miles to hang out at the green line. Or possibly have some fine dining at Chikfila or Perkins. May just cruise Gtown road and go to Rafferties. You know, step it up a bit! Lots of tourist attractions around, you're right...

So, let me see. You want to hang around the fairgrounds area? Brilliant! Maybe invite some of your new friends over for a cocktail in the new RV? Great idea! Maybe take a late night stroll over the tracks and visit some pals at the Orange Mound grill?

Dude, there are some great areas in Memphis near the fairgrounds. Chickasaw Gardens has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods. But it's a marginally safe area, just a rocks throw from ghetto pretty much anywhere around there. You'd need a real security presence to make people feel safe there.

you're so full of it...

I loved going to Patriot Lake and riding horses in Shelby Farms when I was younger, it was an absolute blast. I love walking the Greenline trails as an adult (try getting out and doing things) moreover, why eat the crap you list when you could go to The Kitchen or Deli Mexicana? (also a stones throw from the Butcher Shop which is decent for a chain place) Don't like those options? Go to the Agricenter farmer's market and make a healthy feast in your RV.

Don't wanna eat in your midtown RV? cool, head over to the Cooper-Young ent district with places like Soul Fish and Central BBQ? Why would anyone skip The Kroc Center or Children's museum to cross over RR tracks and Norfolk Southern Harris yard just to go to Orange Mound?

any and everyone can see the obvious racial bias in your posts as it makes zero sense...you're also clearly a negative personality.

(07-08-2017 11:06 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Gotta be careful not to stray too far off the beaten path just to save a few dollars on parking. Out of towners are unfamiliar with the street parking just west of Hollywood and Coca-Cola.

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdeta...d:0OtOoDHC

dude up the street here in Germantown got robbed right in his driveway. It was part of a chain of Gtown driveway robberies...is Germantown now unsafe because of a couple incidents?

Do you really want to compare Germantown crime statistics with the fairgrounds area? Are you really that ignorant?

By the way, the Butcher shop sucks...

sorry, I don't live my life around crime statistics or chain restaurants...I love both Germantown and 38104 equally.

just more 'us vs them' mentality out of the boards usual suspects. I mean, did you just compare Tiger Lane to Airways blvd? WTF?

So yeah you guys are doomed

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(07-08-2017 12:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:23 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 11:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:50 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

Yeah right, the Agricenter area is a blast! Gonna travel for miles to hang out at the green line. Or possibly have some fine dining at Chikfila or Perkins. May just cruise Gtown road and go to Rafferties. You know, step it up a bit! Lots of tourist attractions around, you're right...

So, let me see. You want to hang around the fairgrounds area? Brilliant! Maybe invite some of your new friends over for a cocktail in the new RV? Great idea! Maybe take a late night stroll over the tracks and visit some pals at the Orange Mound grill?

Dude, there are some great areas in Memphis near the fairgrounds. Chickasaw Gardens has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods. But it's a marginally safe area, just a rocks throw from ghetto pretty much anywhere around there. You'd need a real security presence to make people feel safe there.

you're so full of it...

I loved going to Patriot Lake and riding horses in Shelby Farms when I was younger, it was an absolute blast. I love walking the Greenline trails as an adult (try getting out and doing things) moreover, why eat the crap you list when you could go to The Kitchen or Deli Mexicana? (also a stones throw from the Butcher Shop which is decent for a chain place) Don't like those options? Go to the Agricenter farmer's market and make a healthy feast in your RV.

Don't wanna eat in your midtown RV? cool, head over to the Cooper-Young ent district with places like Soul Fish and Central BBQ? Why would anyone skip The Kroc Center or Children's museum to cross over RR tracks and Norfolk Southern Harris yard just to go to Orange Mound?

any and everyone can see the obvious racial bias in your posts as it makes zero sense...you're also clearly a negative personality.

(07-08-2017 11:06 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Gotta be careful not to stray too far off the beaten path just to save a few dollars on parking. Out of towners are unfamiliar with the street parking just west of Hollywood and Coca-Cola.

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdeta...d:0OtOoDHC

dude up the street here in Germantown got robbed right in his driveway. It was part of a chain of Gtown driveway robberies...is Germantown now unsafe because of a couple incidents?

Do you really want to compare Germantown crime statistics with the fairgrounds area? Are you really that ignorant?

By the way, the Butcher shop sucks...

sorry, I don't live my life around crime statistics or chain restaurants...I love both Germantown and 38104 equally.

just more 'us vs them' mentality out of the boards usual suspects. I mean, did you just compare Tiger Lane to Airways blvd? WTF?

WTF is this "us vs them" mentality? I'm simply stating a fact. The Liberty Bowl isn't in the safest area. I still go to games there. My kids used to go to the Children's Museum. But am I going to pitch a tent and camp out there tonight? Probably not.

So what is the draw with the RV park at the Agricenter? One word, safety.

As I said earlier, Memphis has been a great place for me. It's got some great things going for it, and some bad things also. Crime in certain areas is one of the bad things. Like it or not, Memphis has a reputation for it. So if you are going to make an RV park at the fairgrounds, you'd better make it safe or it'll go unused.

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

More like half a mile down young to Cooper Young area. Spent most of my teens in Cooper Young. What they have now is a nice area but it is a clique area. Not a main stream attraction area. You still have a mile or so to Union before you get to what many consider main stream eating establishments. Most of those who travel in RVs as tourist are in to the main steam type establishments.

(07-08-2017 06:11 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 11:41 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-07-2017 10:45 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-06-2017 05:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  What happened to the brewery proposal for the MSC?

And related to FB at the LB - and for city of Memphis benefit, Tiger Lane & Fairgrounds security year round, why not use the SW few acres of the Fairgrounds for a private RV park? It would always be full during the game weekends, & likely attract substantial interest by tourists year round who come thru Memphis and need a base from which to visit Memphis attractions. More importantly, the revenues could provide security for the entire Fairgrounds proper. Just saw a survey that says RVers now represent 10% of the US population & growing faster than any other recreation segment.

yeah, the Agricenter RV park is always full it seems...that's a solid idea.

put the spots around the Liberty Land green space you you would have a nice open green field right outside your RV.

You'd definitely need to provide big time security there, no way most people would feel safe there. It's ok for games, but it isn't the best are in town for longer stays. The Agricenter isn't close to anything fun, but at least it's safe..

so much wrong here....

Cross East Parkway and you're in the Cooper-Young entertainment district. You also have the Kroc Center and Children's museum for entertainment. I lived right over there off Central for 5 years and loved it.

moreover, the Agricenter is next to all kinds of fun stuff like Shelby Farms and the Greenline.

More like half a mile down young to Cooper Young area. Spent most of my teens in Cooper Young. What they have now is a nice area but it is a clique area. Not a main stream attraction area. You still have a mile or so to Union before you get to what many consider main stream eating establishments. Most of those who travel in RVs as tourist are in to the main steam type establishments.

walking a half mile is nothing...takes maybe 10 mins and it's straight down Young. Beauty Shop, Young Ave Deli, Alchemy, and Cafe Ole are all right there...plus you have the Kroc Center, Children's museum, CBU, and Railgarten

The Fairgrounds has NEVER generated any significant economic activity in that area.

Anyone promising that now is either ignorant or a liar.

(07-08-2017 08:24 PM)Claw Wrote:  The Fairgrounds has NEVER generated any significant economic activity in that area.

Anyone promising that now is either ignorant or a liar.

Wouldn't you have to build something there in order to generate income. That's what the discussion is about.

The Square was dead. It's thriving now.
South Main was caving in. It's a hotspot of development.
The Highland and Walker area by the UM was sad. Now its reinvented plus Highland row.
The Crosstown development is jumpstarting 38104.
The Pinch District is about to explode with $billions of development led by St Jude, City and private investment.
Beale, Broad Ave, I know there are others are happening because people with vision invest in the future. Even public housing has been reinvented as mixed use developments rather than warehouses for people living in poverty.

You don't shy away from a challenged neighborhood because it's a challenged neighborhood. You invest in making things better. That's what great cities do. They reinvent themselves over and over and over.

(07-08-2017 12:46 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:23 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 11:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:50 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Yeah right, the Agricenter area is a blast! Gonna travel for miles to hang out at the green line. Or possibly have some fine dining at Chikfila or Perkins. May just cruise Gtown road and go to Rafferties. You know, step it up a bit! Lots of tourist attractions around, you're right...

So, let me see. You want to hang around the fairgrounds area? Brilliant! Maybe invite some of your new friends over for a cocktail in the new RV? Great idea! Maybe take a late night stroll over the tracks and visit some pals at the Orange Mound grill?

Dude, there are some great areas in Memphis near the fairgrounds. Chickasaw Gardens has always been one of my favorite neighborhoods. But it's a marginally safe area, just a rocks throw from ghetto pretty much anywhere around there. You'd need a real security presence to make people feel safe there.

you're so full of it...

I loved going to Patriot Lake and riding horses in Shelby Farms when I was younger, it was an absolute blast. I love walking the Greenline trails as an adult (try getting out and doing things) moreover, why eat the crap you list when you could go to The Kitchen or Deli Mexicana? (also a stones throw from the Butcher Shop which is decent for a chain place) Don't like those options? Go to the Agricenter farmer's market and make a healthy feast in your RV.

Don't wanna eat in your midtown RV? cool, head over to the Cooper-Young ent district with places like Soul Fish and Central BBQ? Why would anyone skip The Kroc Center or Children's museum to cross over RR tracks and Norfolk Southern Harris yard just to go to Orange Mound?

any and everyone can see the obvious racial bias in your posts as it makes zero sense...you're also clearly a negative personality.

(07-08-2017 11:06 AM)TG4 Wrote:  Gotta be careful not to stray too far off the beaten path just to save a few dollars on parking. Out of towners are unfamiliar with the street parking just west of Hollywood and Coca-Cola.

http://m.wmctv.com/wmctv/pm_/contentdeta...d:0OtOoDHC

dude up the street here in Germantown got robbed right in his driveway. It was part of a chain of Gtown driveway robberies...is Germantown now unsafe because of a couple incidents?

Do you really want to compare Germantown crime statistics with the fairgrounds area? Are you really that ignorant?

By the way, the Butcher shop sucks...

sorry, I don't live my life around crime statistics or chain restaurants...I love both Germantown and 38104 equally.

just more 'us vs them' mentality out of the boards usual suspects. I mean, did you just compare Tiger Lane to Airways blvd? WTF?

WTF is this "us vs them" mentality? I'm simply stating a fact. The Liberty Bowl isn't in the safest area. I still go to games there. My kids used to go to the Children's Museum. But am I going to pitch a tent and camp out there tonight? Probably not.

So what is the draw with the RV park at the Agricenter? One word, safety.

As I said earlier, Memphis has been a great place for me. It's got some great things going for it, and some bad things also. Crime in certain areas is one of the bad things. Like it or not, Memphis has a reputation for it. So if you are going to make an RV park at the fairgrounds, you'd better make it safe or it'll go unused.

Maybe I am misinformed but is there an RV park in an unsafe area you are comparing it to?

(07-08-2017 08:24 PM)Claw Wrote:  The Fairgrounds has NEVER generated any significant economic activity in that area.

Anyone promising that now is either ignorant or a liar.

You could nit be more wrong there.

We usually made half of our rent for the year parking cars during the fair. At school we covered our entire yearly athletic budget parking cars.

Lee and Gabriel turned a decent profit at the Fairview each year from patrons of the fairgrounds.

May not have been year round economic impact but the fairgrounds did produce a nice economic impact for the community.

Vegans might want to do their homework before dining at hippie Cooper-Young spots.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/mo...460100001/

(07-08-2017 10:09 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:46 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:23 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 11:58 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you're so full of it...

I loved going to Patriot Lake and riding horses in Shelby Farms when I was younger, it was an absolute blast. I love walking the Greenline trails as an adult (try getting out and doing things) moreover, why eat the crap you list when you could go to The Kitchen or Deli Mexicana? (also a stones throw from the Butcher Shop which is decent for a chain place) Don't like those options? Go to the Agricenter farmer's market and make a healthy feast in your RV.

Don't wanna eat in your midtown RV? cool, head over to the Cooper-Young ent district with places like Soul Fish and Central BBQ? Why would anyone skip The Kroc Center or Children's museum to cross over RR tracks and Norfolk Southern Harris yard just to go to Orange Mound?

any and everyone can see the obvious racial bias in your posts as it makes zero sense...you're also clearly a negative personality.


dude up the street here in Germantown got robbed right in his driveway. It was part of a chain of Gtown driveway robberies...is Germantown now unsafe because of a couple incidents?

Do you really want to compare Germantown crime statistics with the fairgrounds area? Are you really that ignorant?

By the way, the Butcher shop sucks...

sorry, I don't live my life around crime statistics or chain restaurants...I love both Germantown and 38104 equally.

just more 'us vs them' mentality out of the boards usual suspects. I mean, did you just compare Tiger Lane to Airways blvd? WTF?

WTF is this "us vs them" mentality? I'm simply stating a fact. The Liberty Bowl isn't in the safest area. I still go to games there. My kids used to go to the Children's Museum. But am I going to pitch a tent and camp out there tonight? Probably not.

So what is the draw with the RV park at the Agricenter? One word, safety.

As I said earlier, Memphis has been a great place for me. It's got some great things going for it, and some bad things also. Crime in certain areas is one of the bad things. Like it or not, Memphis has a reputation for it. So if you are going to make an RV park at the fairgrounds, you'd better make it safe or it'll go unused.

Maybe I am misinformed but is there an RV park in an unsafe area you are comparing it to?

Someone thought it would be a great idea to turn some of the unused fairground space into an RV park. I'm not saying it will work or not, i just commented that they will have provide security to ensure the RV'ers are safe.

Now it's turned into the usual bs around here. If you mention crime in certain areas, you are a racist. Or you are a hater. Blah, blah, blah.

This might be a workable project. I'd like to see them do something with it.

The crime problem is real. And until those who are in positions to make an impact on it will admit it, then the problem will never be fixed.

It is what it is.

This thread needs to die as I've now spent over an hour pricing RVs...I don't need that in my life....but I like this one

http://rv.campingworld.com/rvdetails/new...MEM1388404

(07-09-2017 08:29 AM)TG4 Wrote:  The crime problem is real. And until those who are in positions to make an impact on it will admit it, then the problem will never be fixed.

It is what it is.

the crime problem is very real in Frayser, Orange Mound, Hickory Hill, White Haven and Raleigh...I have zero issues with 38103, 38104, or East Memphis.

(07-09-2017 09:13 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 08:29 AM)TG4 Wrote:  The crime problem is real. And until those who are in positions to make an impact on it will admit it, then the problem will never be fixed.

It is what it is.

the crime problem is very real in Frayser, Orange Mound, Hickory Hill, White Haven and Raleigh...I have zero issues with 38103, 38104, or East Memphis.

Crime will always be a problem as long as there are humans involved. What makes crime less is accountability, holding people accountable for their actions. That means mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, neighbors, churches & government (law enforcement) - all accountable & being held accountable. Even the areas you mention can be reformed & cleaned up. It has to be wanted by those involved. Orange Mound is a great example. In the 40s-mid-60s, Orange Mound was a community with solid family values with a higher percentage of 2-parent families than the surrounding white community. So obviously their values weren't dependent upon financial success as much as a community invested in families & the community. That type of community can be restored - it just takes a desire for it among all of the accountable parties listed above. My speech of the day....

Related to the Fairgrounds, sure you don't ignore the issues, they instead have to be acknowledged and plan set in place to accomplish the needed results. But IMO, it would be a great thing for the Fairground, for our university, to rally around our FB program in a community sense - and for that success to benefit the Memphis community proper. An RV Park is just one of the likely list of potential development possibilities that could work at the Fairgrounds. But I would think any ideas that might have lasting success will have to be compatible with the traditional purpose of the Fairgrounds & the LB. And done right, an RV Park could be highly successful, IMO. For me, for a big game, I might stay on site several days prior - and remain several days after to relish the big win. Then take the time to visit more of Memphis I miss on my current gameday visits. And remember at any SEC game on any given weekend, there are 100s of RVs pulled up for game tailgating - so it can work in Memphis too.

(07-09-2017 07:32 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 10:09 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:46 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:30 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 12:23 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Do you really want to compare Germantown crime statistics with the fairgrounds area? Are you really that ignorant?

By the way, the Butcher shop sucks...

sorry, I don't live my life around crime statistics or chain restaurants...I love both Germantown and 38104 equally.

just more 'us vs them' mentality out of the boards usual suspects. I mean, did you just compare Tiger Lane to Airways blvd? WTF?

WTF is this "us vs them" mentality? I'm simply stating a fact. The Liberty Bowl isn't in the safest area. I still go to games there. My kids used to go to the Children's Museum. But am I going to pitch a tent and camp out there tonight? Probably not.

So what is the draw with the RV park at the Agricenter? One word, safety.

As I said earlier, Memphis has been a great place for me. It's got some great things going for it, and some bad things also. Crime in certain areas is one of the bad things. Like it or not, Memphis has a reputation for it. So if you are going to make an RV park at the fairgrounds, you'd better make it safe or it'll go unused.

Maybe I am misinformed but is there an RV park in an unsafe area you are comparing it to?

Someone thought it would be a great idea to turn some of the unused fairground space into an RV park. I'm not saying it will work or not, i just commented that they will have provide security to ensure the RV'ers are safe.

Now it's turned into the usual bs around here. If you mention crime in certain areas, you are a racist. Or you are a hater. Blah, blah, blah.

This might be a workable project. I'd like to see them do something with it.

My point is it doesn't appear that you have any basis for you saying that safety is the #1 draw for the park at the agricenter if you are not comparing it to anything.

Is there another RV park within the city limits? Is the agricenter the closest RV park to Memphis? Those are serious questions as I honestly don't know.

(07-09-2017 04:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Is there another RV park within the city limits? Is the agricenter the closest RV park to Memphis? Those are serious questions as I honestly don't know.

There's several, as i recall

1. off Canada road, it's a mobile home/KOA combo sight
2. Agricenter
3. RV park @ Graceland
4. Tom Sawyer's in W.Mphs
5. Horn Lake has one called Jellystone, or something like that.

If I owned an RV, not sure I'd stay in any of those, other than Agricenter.

(07-08-2017 09:53 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:24 PM)Claw Wrote:  The Fairgrounds has NEVER generated any significant economic activity in that area.

Anyone promising that now is either ignorant or a liar.

Wouldn't you have to build something there in order to generate income. That's what the discussion is about.

The Square was dead. It's thriving now.
South Main was caving in. It's a hotspot of development.
The Highland and Walker area by the UM was sad. Now its reinvented plus Highland row.
The Crosstown development is jumpstarting 38104.
The Pinch District is about to explode with $billions of development led by St Jude, City and private investment.
Beale, Broad Ave, I know there are others are happening because people with vision invest in the future. Even public housing has been reinvented as mixed use developments rather than warehouses for people living in poverty.

You don't shy away from a challenged neighborhood because it's a challenged neighborhood. You invest in making things better. That's what great cities do. They reinvent themselves over and over and over.

^^^
All of this.

We went to Nashville this weekend for the US Soccer game - if they had shied away from areas because they were "challenged," there would be no Gulch, no East Nashville resurgence, etc. Small-minded thinking gets us nowhere.