(03-22-2017 04:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:34 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:19 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 01:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Manafort seems to be under a criminal investigation of money laundering with the Ukrainian law officials. So, there could be the FISA order on him for him to be recorded.

Trump fired him in August. Bless your heart.

So. The investigation started in July.

Members of the Donald Trump transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under U.S. government surveillance following November’s presidential election, House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) told reporters Wednesday.

But illegal spying was probably going on prior to that.

Nice selective quote, but no, it was not illegal. Nunes even said that.

Also, the latest word is that Trump himself was not any part of this.

Sorry.

Nice links to back that up Tommy.

(03-22-2017 04:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:34 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:19 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Trump fired him in August. Bless your heart.

So. The investigation started in July.

Members of the Donald Trump transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under U.S. government surveillance following November’s presidential election, House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) told reporters Wednesday.

But illegal spying was probably going on prior to that.

Nice selective quote, but no, it was not illegal. Nunes even said that.

Also, the latest word is that Trump himself was not any part of this.

Sorry.

Nice links to back that up Tommy.

You didn't provide any.

(03-22-2017 04:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:34 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So. The investigation started in July.

Members of the Donald Trump transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under U.S. government surveillance following November’s presidential election, House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) told reporters Wednesday.

But illegal spying was probably going on prior to that.

Nice selective quote, but no, it was not illegal. Nunes even said that.

Also, the latest word is that Trump himself was not any part of this.

Sorry.

Nice links to back that up Tommy.

You didn't provide any.

It is from the OP and original article Tom, guess you didn't read it, not surprised.

Quote:Representative Devin Nunes said the information which he said was obtained from a source he did not identify in any way, was collected legally in November, December and January

Lawmaker suggests U.S. surveillance of foreigners picked up Trump calls

Nunes offered no proof of any illegal spying occurring before that.

Quote:Mr. Nunes also said he was not sure whether Mr. Trump’s communications were collected.

“When we talk about intelligence products here, we’ve got to be very careful,” Mr. Nunes said. “And what I know right now, it looks like incidental collection. We don’t know exactly how that was picked up. But we’re trying to get to the bottom of it.”

Monitoring May Have ‘Incidentally’ Picked Up Trump Aides, House Member Says

(03-22-2017 04:49 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:34 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Members of the Donald Trump transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under U.S. government surveillance following November’s presidential election, House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) told reporters Wednesday.

But illegal spying was probably going on prior to that.

Nice selective quote, but no, it was not illegal. Nunes even said that.

Also, the latest word is that Trump himself was not any part of this.

Sorry.

Nice links to back that up Tommy.

You didn't provide any.

It is from the OP and original article Tom, guess you didn't read it, not surprised.

Right...I'm supposed to know that.

You guys are arguing about minutia. Trump et el were under surveilance as he claimed and it appears information gathered was rhen shared illegally. Who distributed the info and to whom? Did any of the information illegally shared go to rhe White House? If it did, what did Obama know and when did he know it?

(03-22-2017 01:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Manafort seems to be under a criminal investigation of money laundering with the Ukrainian law officials. So, there could be the FISA order on him for him to be recorded.

Oh, so that's why I was smelling smoke. DavidSt is posting again.

(03-22-2017 02:40 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yet another thing that only happened because Obama.

Leaks.

Remember in Obama's 2nd term, everything was still all Bush's fault? You regressives seem to have forgotten, but I 'member.

(03-22-2017 04:26 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  He was proven right.

He was proven a liar. The truth is tough business.

You wouldn't know what the truth was, even if it walked up and shook your hand.

(03-22-2017 04:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:Representative Devin Nunes said the information which he said was obtained from a source he did not identify in any way, was collected legally in November, December and January

Lawmaker suggests U.S. surveillance of foreigners picked up Trump calls

Nunes offered no proof of any illegal spying occurring before that.

Quote:Mr. Nunes also said he was not sure whether Mr. Trump’s communications were collected.

“When we talk about intelligence products here, we’ve got to be very careful,” Mr. Nunes said. “And what I know right now, it looks like incidental collection. We don’t know exactly how that was picked up. But we’re trying to get to the bottom of it.”

Monitoring May Have ‘Incidentally’ Picked Up Trump Aides, House Member Says

accidentally.... yet they unmasked and continued monitoring. accidentally my ass.

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(03-22-2017 05:17 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:26 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:21 PM)shere khan Wrote:  He was proven right.

He was proven a liar. The truth is tough business.

You wouldn't know what the truth was, even if it walked up and shook your hand.

Of course he thinks Obama never told a lie. That is what cracks me up.

(03-22-2017 05:03 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  You guys are arguing about minutia.

it's what Leftwingtom does best. masters in hair splitting.

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(03-22-2017 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So...let's go to the score cards...

Releasing the Podesta e-mails, in the best interest of the nation.
Unmasking Flynn, et. al., that's a problem.

That about catch us up to speed?

Why aren't you as upset abut the laws of this country being broken that suppose to protect each of us as you are about a email hack?

Tell me which one is more damning to the people of this country.

Spying on us all then breaking federal laws by keeping and then leaking that information?

Or a fool clicking on a link maybe sent by Russians and then that info gets released?

If we can't believe the law of the land is going to protect us from our own government. Then you have a major fault in trust

If a russian hacks the DNC and releases things that were wrote by those people...

you have someone that broke a law but that someone is not in control of all the ,laws in the country we live in. I see a huge difference...

yet you don't seem to be worried one that affects us all

If any person thinks the government is wire tapping and getting information from that tap and it involves the campaign of the person running for president and it's not getting approval from someone in the oval office...

you are naive as hell or just plain dumb or just sticking your fingers in your ears and not really thinking about this. No way in hell someone close to President Obama did not know about this and ran it past him. Does that mean the President ordered the tap of anything like that? No it doesn't. But it means he was aware of it. That's why you got the careful worded released statement.

They are all three...

(03-22-2017 05:23 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  he thinks Obama never told a lie.

Obama surely made mistakes. But never intentionally misinformed the American people.

Trump does it nearly every day. And he was proven to be a liar, in this particular claim.

(03-22-2017 05:58 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 05:23 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  he thinks Obama never told a lie.

Obama surely made mistakes. But never intentionally misinformed the American people.

Trump does it nearly every day. And he was proven to be a liar, in this particular claim.

Congratulations. 3 sentences. The first is the truth, and the last two are lies.

Well there are actually four sentences there, but no big deal.

He never intentionally misinformed the American people.

Trump does it nearly every day.

(03-22-2017 05:58 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 05:23 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  he thinks Obama never told a lie.

Obama surely made mistakes. But never intentionally misinformed the American people.

Trump does it nearly every day. And he was proven to be a liar, in this particular claim.

Are you being serious?

I'm going to be upfront on something. I avoided just about all news in President Obama's last 4 years. Actually my life got easier by doing that and nothing really changed by me not knowing every little thing. Plus no matter who's in the White House...I respect the office enough to not get in this bull**** take of putting the President down over every little thing.

But even I know President Obama lied to us and no I can't give you the links because as I said I didn't care then and still don't...

There's not a person that held the office of President of the USA that hasn't lied. It's something that common sense should tell us without the need to prove it. Lying is part of the game in protecting us all. And that is the #1 job of the President of the USA

There is no way for you to know President Obama's intentions to make that statement

(03-22-2017 06:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well there are actually four sentences there, but no big deal.

He never intentionally misinformed the American people.

Trump does it nearly every day.

So now you are batting .250 instead of .333. Thanks for proving you are more of a liar than I did.