(02-26-2017 08:22 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  No. There isn't a civil war. There is political disagreement - like always - but there is no civil war, nor will there be one.

IMHO, the disagreement isn't a matter of left vs right. It's primarily over whether we should have a meritocracy (free trade, open borders, open society, free press, etc) or a kakistocracy ($15+ minimum wage, tariffs, border wall, xenophobia, ____ group matters movements, etc).

I think that the global kakistocracy movement scored some major wins in 2016, but those gains are unlikely to be permanent.

What a bunch of jumbled nonsense.

"It is often maintained that what divides present-day political parties is a basic opposition in their ultimate philosophical commitments that cannot be settled by rational argument. The discussion of these antagonisms must therefore necessarily prove fruitless. Each side will remain unshaken in its conviction because the latter is based on a comprehensive world view that cannot be altered by any considerations proposed by the reason. … Nothing is more absurd than this belief" -- Ludwig von Mises from 1927

This too shall pass.

(02-26-2017 11:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 08:22 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  No. There isn't a civil war. There is political disagreement - like always - but there is no civil war, nor will there be one.

IMHO, the disagreement isn't a matter of left vs right. It's primarily over whether we should have a meritocracy (free trade, open borders, open society, free press, etc) or a kakistocracy ($15+ minimum wage, tariffs, border wall, xenophobia, ____ group matters movements, etc).

I think that the global kakistocracy movement scored some major wins in 2016, but those gains are unlikely to be permanent.

What a bunch of jumbled nonsense.

State your case.

It won't be civil...it also won't be a war.

(02-26-2017 08:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Only 50% of the South supported secession prior to the civil war. And that was over an issue far more ingrained in southern life, critical to the economy, and motivated by prejudices than any 2017 political issue.

Yet the revolution had only 1/3 of the people supporting it and that caused a war. So I think CP hit the nail on the head

We are fighting some of the same issues today as the South was fighting in the 1860s.

Grossly overreaching Federal Government.

Trump is attempting to real the Oppressive Fed back in but we will see.

Anything you say regarding the civil war means the exact opposite the of what you said is the correct answer. You are an Andersonville apologist FFS and many on here including myself believe you have the most ducked up view of the civil war

Andersonville vs Elmira....Point Lookout?

Know the topic before you jump in Johnny.

(02-26-2017 10:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 05:20 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to decentralize or devolve power from the federal government back to the states or alternatively allow states to secede. Otherwise, yes a civil war is possible. The most likely form being prosecution by the federal government against dissenters.

Actually we just need to go to a popular vote for Congress and the Presidency.

And that will resolve vast cultural differences and antagonism how?

(02-26-2017 10:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 05:20 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to decentralize or devolve power from the federal government back to the states or alternatively allow states to secede. Otherwise, yes a civil war is possible. The most likely form being prosecution by the federal government against dissenters.

Actually we just need to go to a popular vote for Congress and the Presidency.

No. The individual states decide who goes to congress to represent them and also decides, individually, who they want as president.

If you don't like it - go and change the constitution - there is a mechanism to do that and it's been done before.....................for the 50th time.

Mob rule is NOT in the US Constitution. Why do you hate this country so much Tom?

(02-27-2017 07:59 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 05:20 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to decentralize or devolve power from the federal government back to the states or alternatively allow states to secede. Otherwise, yes a civil war is possible. The most likely form being prosecution by the federal government against dissenters.

Actually we just need to go to a popular vote for Congress and the Presidency.

No. The individual states decide who goes to congress to represent them and also decides, individually, who they want as president.

If you don't like it - go and change the constitution - there is a mechanism to do that and it's been done before.....................for the 50th time.

It's not fair and the universe is conspiring against him.

(02-27-2017 08:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 07:59 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 05:20 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to decentralize or devolve power from the federal government back to the states or alternatively allow states to secede. Otherwise, yes a civil war is possible. The most likely form being prosecution by the federal government against dissenters.

Actually we just need to go to a popular vote for Congress and the Presidency.

No. The individual states decide who goes to congress to represent them and also decides, individually, who they want as president.

If you don't like it - go and change the constitution - there is a mechanism to do that and it's been done before.....................for the 50th time.

It's not fair and the universe is conspiring against him.

Everyone not alphabet hates him and all like him........just ask him!!

He'd rather that LA, Chicago, NY, Boston, Philly and DC by themselves elect all the Congressmen and the President - Oh joy!

(02-27-2017 07:58 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Andersonville vs Elmira....Point Lookout?

Know the topic before you jump in Johnny.

thanks for proving my point that you are an Andersonville apologist.

(02-27-2017 07:59 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 05:20 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to decentralize or devolve power from the federal government back to the states or alternatively allow states to secede. Otherwise, yes a civil war is possible. The most likely form being prosecution by the federal government against dissenters.

Actually we just need to go to a popular vote for Congress and the Presidency.

No. The individual states decide who goes to congress to represent them and also decides, individually, who they want as president.

If you don't like it - go and change the constitution - there is a mechanism to do that and it's been done before.....................for the 50th time.

ah so a system that unfairly allows minority rule must stand because you need approval of the minority to fix it.

this is literally the same logic that was used to justify every bad form of govt that has ever existed.

Another it's not fair and the universe is conspiring against them.

Our form of government is a Constitutional Republic... Not a Democracy.

Or is all this angst just because Jefferson, Madison were not homosexual?

No civil war. Been there done that. All this current stuff is, in the big picture, nonsense.

Middle and upper class won't go to war regardless of what side of the issue they fall. People with mortgages, kids to put through college and something to lose are not throwing bombs. The kiddo resistance will be the sad weathermen of the 60's to the same sad result. The gang that couldn't shoot straight.

(02-27-2017 08:57 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Middle and upper class won't go to war regardless of what side of the issue they fall. People with mortgages, kids to put through college and something to lose are not throwing bombs. The kiddo resistance will be the sad weathermen of the 60's to the same sad result. The gang that couldn't shoot straight.

Yep, basically people with lives have better things to worry about than civil war, etc. It's folks with to much free time on their hands that constantly breed seeds of discontent.

(02-27-2017 07:59 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:57 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 05:20 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to decentralize or devolve power from the federal government back to the states or alternatively allow states to secede. Otherwise, yes a civil war is possible. The most likely form being prosecution by the federal government against dissenters.

Actually we just need to go to a popular vote for Congress and the Presidency.

No. The individual states decide who goes to congress to represent them and also decides, individually, who they want as president.

If you don't like it - go and change the constitution - there is a mechanism to do that and it's been done before.....................for the 50th time.

And the Dems need 60% of the vote to win control of Congress due to GOP gerrymandering. And the EC is stacked up against minorities.