If he's a him, why is he wrestling girls to win a state title? If he identifies as a male, why is he wrestling girls?

That's the issue, not the participation. If you are transitioning and have been taking testosterone then you should compete against men, not women.

(02-26-2017 11:41 AM)banker Wrote:  If he's a him, why is he wrestling girls to win a state title? If he identifies as a male, why is he wrestling girls?

That's the issue, not the participation. If you are transitioning and have been taking testosterone then you should compete against men, not women.

Because Transphobe Republicans who control Texas won't allow him to compete with boys. Because they'd have to recognize him as he is to do so.

(02-26-2017 11:43 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:41 AM)banker Wrote:  If he's a him, why is he wrestling girls to win a state title? If he identifies as a male, why is he wrestling girls?

That's the issue, not the participation. If you are transitioning and have been taking testosterone then you should compete against men, not women.

Because Transphobe Republicans who control Texas won't allow him to compete with boys. Because they'd have to recognize him as he is to do so.

You dont get to compete if you are on performance enhancing drugs. Why you would believe this rule would not apply to mentally screwed up snowflakes is beyond me. You dont get an exemption from the rules.

Funny, how everytime you come up with a reason that this group of people need "protections", its so that they can break the rules.

(02-26-2017 11:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:43 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:41 AM)banker Wrote:  If he's a him, why is he wrestling girls to win a state title? If he identifies as a male, why is he wrestling girls?

That's the issue, not the participation. If you are transitioning and have been taking testosterone then you should compete against men, not women.

Because Transphobe Republicans who control Texas won't allow him to compete with boys. Because they'd have to recognize him as he is to do so.

You dont get to compete if you are on performance enhancing drugs. Why you would believe this rule would not apply to mentally screwed up snowflakes is beyond me. You dont get an exemption from the rules.

Funny, how everytime you come up with a reason that this group of people need "protections", its so that they can break the rules.

Lots of kids compete on drugs, under the guidance of a doctor.

I see your respect and kindness for Trans persons. I can't imagine why anyone would read your post and conclude that you wish ill towards Trans kids.

As far as being a snowflake. It takes a lot of balls to tell the UIL 'F -you, I'm going to compete' and put up with the abuse resulting from that.

(02-26-2017 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:43 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:41 AM)banker Wrote:  If he's a him, why is he wrestling girls to win a state title? If he identifies as a male, why is he wrestling girls?

That's the issue, not the participation. If you are transitioning and have been taking testosterone then you should compete against men, not women.

Because Transphobe Republicans who control Texas won't allow him to compete with boys. Because they'd have to recognize him as he is to do so.

You dont get to compete if you are on performance enhancing drugs. Why you would believe this rule would not apply to mentally screwed up snowflakes is beyond me. You dont get an exemption from the rules.

Funny, how everytime you come up with a reason that this group of people need "protections", its so that they can break the rules.

Lots of kids compete on drugs, under the guidance of a doctor.

I see your respect and kindness for Trans persons. I can't imagine why anyone would read your post and conclude that you wish to harm Trans kids.

As far as being a snowflake. It takes a lot of balls to tell the UIL 'F -you, I'm going to compete' and put up with the abuse resulting from that.

In other words, you dont want protections, you want special treatment. Nah, I think most of us will pass on that. Thanks.

Simple solution. Women's/girls' competitions are open only to genetic females not taking any gender alteration drugs that would tend to be performance enhancing. Men's/boys' competitions are open competitions, open to all.

(02-26-2017 11:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:43 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:41 AM)banker Wrote:  If he's a him, why is he wrestling girls to win a state title? If he identifies as a male, why is he wrestling girls?

That's the issue, not the participation. If you are transitioning and have been taking testosterone then you should compete against men, not women.

Because Transphobe Republicans who control Texas won't allow him to compete with boys. Because they'd have to recognize him as he is to do so.

You dont get to compete if you are on performance enhancing drugs. Why you would believe this rule would not apply to mentally screwed up snowflakes is beyond me. You dont get an exemption from the rules.

Funny, how everytime you come up with a reason that this group of people need "protections", its so that they can break the rules.

Lots of kids compete on drugs, under the guidance of a doctor.

I see your respect and kindness for Trans persons. I can't imagine why anyone would read your post and conclude that you wish to harm Trans kids.

As far as being a snowflake. It takes a lot of balls to tell the UIL 'F -you, I'm going to compete' and put up with the abuse resulting from that.

In other words, you dont want protections, you want special treatment. Nah, I think most of us will pass on that. Thanks.

No, just equal access to competition. And no rules designed to bar or marginalize Trans kids. Again, lots of kids compete on performance enhancing drugs under the care of a doctor.

(02-26-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:10 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 10:43 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 12:21 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  in ANY sport or organization originally dedicated to biological sex individuals? For example...

should M to F be allowed to participate in the WNBA, WPGA, American Professional Women's Association, Sociey of Womens Engineers, etc?

Likewise should F to M trans people be allowed to do the inverse?

Seems like the identity politics wing of the left is on a collision course.

I think, sans PEDS, that anyone should be able to compete in mens sports if they can hack it. But womens sports were carved out, in part, because men are bigger, faster, and stronger, than the fairer sex.

I can live with this stance.

Easy for you.. You aren't being denied the ability to play in high school.

No one is being denied anything based upon rules. You just want the rules to be ignored for the gender confused. I fully understand your agenda Tom. You are very consistent that the LGBT community must be allowed to do anything they wish..or else. There is no compromise with you....period.

(02-26-2017 12:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Simple solution. Women's/girls' competitions are open only to genetic females not taking any gender alteration drugs that would tend to be performance enhancing. Men's/boys' competitions are open competitions, open to all.

Nope..Not good enough for Tom. No compromise...period. The alphabets must get their way 100 percent.

(02-26-2017 12:39 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:10 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 10:43 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 12:21 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  in ANY sport or organization originally dedicated to biological sex individuals? For example...

should M to F be allowed to participate in the WNBA, WPGA, American Professional Women's Association, Sociey of Womens Engineers, etc?

Likewise should F to M trans people be allowed to do the inverse?

Seems like the identity politics wing of the left is on a collision course.

I think, sans PEDS, that anyone should be able to compete in mens sports if they can hack it. But womens sports were carved out, in part, because men are bigger, faster, and stronger, than the fairer sex.

I can live with this stance.

Easy for you.. You aren't being denied the ability to play in high school.

No one is being denied anything based upon rules. You just want the rules to be ignored for the gender confused. I fully understand your agenda Tom. You are very consistent that the LGBT community must be allowed to do anything they wish..or else. There is no compromise with you....period.

Rules implemented for the express purpose of excluding Trans persons.

(02-26-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:37 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 09:51 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 10:43 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  I think, sans PEDS, that anyone should be able to compete in mens sports if they can hack it. But womens sports were carved out, in part, because men are bigger, faster, and stronger, than the fairer sex.

I agree with this. If a woman can compete on a level playing field with no concessions in the man's game she should be able to compete with men. But not the reverse with men competing in women's sports because they have an inherent physical advantage.

For Transgenders,
If born a man (genetically an XY), even after hormone transition to a woman that person still carries the build and hormone makeup from being a man so they should not be able to compete in women's sports.
If born a woman (genetically XX) and can compete in the man's game with no concessions, that person should be able to compete in the man's competition.

True hermaphrodites create a bigger conundrum as they are biologically/genetically both. I think in a proven example of hermaphroditism, the person should be able to compete in whichever male or female they ID with.

Maybe in addition to the Olympic Games and the X Games, we need to have the Gay Games with no rules as to who competes in what. And while it sounds like a joke I'm really not kidding. With 56-57 different recognized genders how in the world can we now have the Olympics without someone complaining that they can't compete in their preferred category.

So were going to spend 300 million bucks a year on LGBT high school sports like we do for the sports you guys argue Trans kids can't participate in (or at least can't participate while being Trans - which is the same thing as not allowing them to participate).

No one is saying that trans high school kids can't participate but they have to participate based on their genetic makeup unaltered by hormones. It's not trying to be unfair to the transgendered it is a case of not allowing an unfair advantage in athletic competition.

A biological male competing against girls because he feels like he wants to gender ID with girls isn't fair competition to the other girls. Same with a biological girl transitioning to being a male taking testosterone as evidenced by the wrestler in Texas. That girl transitioning to a man with hormones should compete as a boy or should not be allowed to compete.

If they choose to begin the hormonal process to change while in high school (which would be a mistake since their brains aren't fully developed and they should wait until their brains are fully matured before making such a drastic change) in choosing to do so by making that choice they might be eliminating the option to not participate in sports for their high school if their choosing requires hormonal therapy.

So if they are Trans...they can't participate in sports that are funded by taxpayers, right?

Telling people they must not be Trans to participate, or not be VISIBLE to participate is the same as 'you can't participate'.

So....Clear up something for me Tom. At what point did this transgender female become Transgender...before or after taking male hormones?

(02-26-2017 12:42 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 12:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Simple solution. Women's/girls' competitions are open only to genetic females not taking any gender alteration drugs that would tend to be performance enhancing. Men's/boys' competitions are open competitions, open to all.

Nope..Not good enough for Tom. No compromise...period. The alphabets must get their way 100 percent.

Full equality. Nothing more, nothing less. And no, passing a bunch of rules in order to stop participation by Trans kids is targeting.

The issue with Owl's plan is that it makes M to F Trans kids compete in their incorrect gender. You want male wrestlers to compete against a kid with boobs?

The real problem is that the UIL decided to look at it from a Texas GOP perspective, and forced Mack to choose between competing against girls or not compete at all.

(02-26-2017 12:49 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:37 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 09:51 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I agree with this. If a woman can compete on a level playing field with no concessions in the man's game she should be able to compete with men. But not the reverse with men competing in women's sports because they have an inherent physical advantage.

For Transgenders,
If born a man (genetically an XY), even after hormone transition to a woman that person still carries the build and hormone makeup from being a man so they should not be able to compete in women's sports.
If born a woman (genetically XX) and can compete in the man's game with no concessions, that person should be able to compete in the man's competition.

True hermaphrodites create a bigger conundrum as they are biologically/genetically both. I think in a proven example of hermaphroditism, the person should be able to compete in whichever male or female they ID with.

Maybe in addition to the Olympic Games and the X Games, we need to have the Gay Games with no rules as to who competes in what. And while it sounds like a joke I'm really not kidding. With 56-57 different recognized genders how in the world can we now have the Olympics without someone complaining that they can't compete in their preferred category.

So were going to spend 300 million bucks a year on LGBT high school sports like we do for the sports you guys argue Trans kids can't participate in (or at least can't participate while being Trans - which is the same thing as not allowing them to participate).

No one is saying that trans high school kids can't participate but they have to participate based on their genetic makeup unaltered by hormones. It's not trying to be unfair to the transgendered it is a case of not allowing an unfair advantage in athletic competition.

A biological male competing against girls because he feels like he wants to gender ID with girls isn't fair competition to the other girls. Same with a biological girl transitioning to being a male taking testosterone as evidenced by the wrestler in Texas. That girl transitioning to a man with hormones should compete as a boy or should not be allowed to compete.

If they choose to begin the hormonal process to change while in high school (which would be a mistake since their brains aren't fully developed and they should wait until their brains are fully matured before making such a drastic change) in choosing to do so by making that choice they might be eliminating the option to not participate in sports for their high school if their choosing requires hormonal therapy.

So if they are Trans...they can't participate in sports that are funded by taxpayers, right?

Telling people they must not be Trans to participate, or not be VISIBLE to participate is the same as 'you can't participate'.

So....Clear up something for me Tom. At what point did this transgender female become Transgender...before or after taking male hormones?

First of all, he is a Transgender male. Or Male works well too. I think that for purposes of this discussion, the school system (not just sports eiher) should allow the child to change genders when provided with credible documentation from a medical professional.

(02-26-2017 12:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 12:49 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:37 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 10:24 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So were going to spend 300 million bucks a year on LGBT high school sports like we do for the sports you guys argue Trans kids can't participate in (or at least can't participate while being Trans - which is the same thing as not allowing them to participate).

No one is saying that trans high school kids can't participate but they have to participate based on their genetic makeup unaltered by hormones. It's not trying to be unfair to the transgendered it is a case of not allowing an unfair advantage in athletic competition.

A biological male competing against girls because he feels like he wants to gender ID with girls isn't fair competition to the other girls. Same with a biological girl transitioning to being a male taking testosterone as evidenced by the wrestler in Texas. That girl transitioning to a man with hormones should compete as a boy or should not be allowed to compete.

If they choose to begin the hormonal process to change while in high school (which would be a mistake since their brains aren't fully developed and they should wait until their brains are fully matured before making such a drastic change) in choosing to do so by making that choice they might be eliminating the option to not participate in sports for their high school if their choosing requires hormonal therapy.

So if they are Trans...they can't participate in sports that are funded by taxpayers, right?

Telling people they must not be Trans to participate, or not be VISIBLE to participate is the same as 'you can't participate'.

So....Clear up something for me Tom. At what point did this transgender female become Transgender...before or after taking male hormones?

First of all, he is a Transgender male. Or Male works well too. I think that for purposes of this discussion, the school system (not just sports eiher) should allow the child to change genders when provided with credible documentation from a medical professional.

You just encapsulated the the entire problem these people have Tom. I genuinely wish them luck with that ever being accepted mainstream in our lifetimes.

(02-26-2017 12:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:43 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Because Transphobe Republicans who control Texas won't allow him to compete with boys. Because they'd have to recognize him as he is to do so.

You dont get to compete if you are on performance enhancing drugs. Why you would believe this rule would not apply to mentally screwed up snowflakes is beyond me. You dont get an exemption from the rules.
Funny, how everytime you come up with a reason that this group of people need "protections", its so that they can break the rules.

Lots of kids compete on drugs, under the guidance of a doctor.
I see your respect and kindness for Trans persons. I can't imagine why anyone would read your post and conclude that you wish to harm Trans kids.
As far as being a snowflake. It takes a lot of balls to tell the UIL 'F -you, I'm going to compete' and put up with the abuse resulting from that.

In other words, you dont want protections, you want special treatment. Nah, I think most of us will pass on that. Thanks.

No, just equal access to competition. And no rules designed to bar or marginalize Trans kids. Again, lots of kids compete on performance enhancing drugs under the care of a doctor.

How do you have equality for people that are inherently unequal?

I've posted my proposed approach above. What solution would satisfy you? Not platitudes like "equal access" but specific concrete proposals. And how would they be implemented without disrupting the objective of competition for all? What negative impacts would you expect your solution to have on non-LBGT persons, and how would you propose to address those issues? Have you ever even thought about negative impacts on others? Ever?

This is your problem, Tom. You see everything through, and only through, the narrow lens of a tiny minority of people. Their valid and legitimate interests count, but so do the valid and legitimate interests of others. And there are many others with valid and legitimate interests in protecting competitions from the distortions that you seek to impose. And despite your allegations, those interests have absolutely nothing to do with any phobia of any sort. You need to wake up and look at the world, and not just your narrow corner.

(02-26-2017 01:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 12:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  You dont get to compete if you are on performance enhancing drugs. Why you would believe this rule would not apply to mentally screwed up snowflakes is beyond me. You dont get an exemption from the rules.
Funny, how everytime you come up with a reason that this group of people need "protections", its so that they can break the rules.

Lots of kids compete on drugs, under the guidance of a doctor.
I see your respect and kindness for Trans persons. I can't imagine why anyone would read your post and conclude that you wish to harm Trans kids.
As far as being a snowflake. It takes a lot of balls to tell the UIL 'F -you, I'm going to compete' and put up with the abuse resulting from that.

In other words, you dont want protections, you want special treatment. Nah, I think most of us will pass on that. Thanks.

No, just equal access to competition. And no rules designed to bar or marginalize Trans kids. Again, lots of kids compete on performance enhancing drugs under the care of a doctor.

How do you have equality for people that are inherently unequal?

I've posted my proposed approach above. What solution would satisfy you? Not platitudes like "equal access" but specific concrete proposals. And how would they be implemented without disrupting the objective of competition for all? What negative impacts would you expect your solution to have on non-LBGT persons, and how would you propose to address those issues? Have you ever even thought about negative impacts on others? Ever?

This is your problem, Tom. You see everything through, and only through, the narrow lens of a tiny minority of people. Their valid and legitimate interests count, but so do the valid and legitimate interests of others. And there are many others with valid and legitimate interests in protecting competitions from the distortions that you seek to impose.

There is no compromise with Tom. ONLY total capitulation with the radical LGBT stance is acceptable.

(02-26-2017 01:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 12:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:46 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  You dont get to compete if you are on performance enhancing drugs. Why you would believe this rule would not apply to mentally screwed up snowflakes is beyond me. You dont get an exemption from the rules.
Funny, how everytime you come up with a reason that this group of people need "protections", its so that they can break the rules.

Lots of kids compete on drugs, under the guidance of a doctor.
I see your respect and kindness for Trans persons. I can't imagine why anyone would read your post and conclude that you wish to harm Trans kids.
As far as being a snowflake. It takes a lot of balls to tell the UIL 'F -you, I'm going to compete' and put up with the abuse resulting from that.

In other words, you dont want protections, you want special treatment. Nah, I think most of us will pass on that. Thanks.

No, just equal access to competition. And no rules designed to bar or marginalize Trans kids. Again, lots of kids compete on performance enhancing drugs under the care of a doctor.

How do you have equality for people that are inherently unequal?

I've posted my proposed approach above. What solution would satisfy you? Not platitudes like "equal access" but specific concrete proposals. And how would they be implemented without disrupting the objective of competition for all? What negative impacts would you expect your solution to have on non-LBGT persons, and how would you propose to address those issues? Have you ever even thought about negative impacts on others? Ever?

This is your problem, Tom. You see everything through, and only through, the narrow lens of a tiny minority of people. Their valid and legitimate interests count, but so do the valid and legitimate interests of others. And there are many others with valid and legitimate interests in protecting competitions from the distortions that you seek to impose. And despite your allegations, those interests have absolutely nothing to do with any phobia of any sort. You need to wake up and look at the world, and not just your narrow corner.

Don't pretend that there are lots of people who wish us harm. And they're in power.

And if they don't recognize Trans people as the gender they are, then they really don't have any credibility on these issues. Don't pretend that they don't want us, and by us that means ALL LGBT people, to simply cease to exist. Or only to exist in marginalized places.

Don't pretend that there are many who seek to use power to discriminate against our ability to thrive in society. Telling minorities to 'just shut up and let society decide what scraps of fifth class citizenship they deem good enough for us' isn't acceptable. And it won't result in any movement on the very real and very concrete issues that impact our lives.

No one is going to help us towards our goal of complete equality if we don't advocate for ourselves.

(02-26-2017 01:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 01:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 12:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Lots of kids compete on drugs, under the guidance of a doctor.
I see your respect and kindness for Trans persons. I can't imagine why anyone would read your post and conclude that you wish to harm Trans kids.
As far as being a snowflake. It takes a lot of balls to tell the UIL 'F -you, I'm going to compete' and put up with the abuse resulting from that.

In other words, you dont want protections, you want special treatment. Nah, I think most of us will pass on that. Thanks.

No, just equal access to competition. And no rules designed to bar or marginalize Trans kids. Again, lots of kids compete on performance enhancing drugs under the care of a doctor.

How do you have equality for people that are inherently unequal?

I've posted my proposed approach above. What solution would satisfy you? Not platitudes like "equal access" but specific concrete proposals. And how would they be implemented without disrupting the objective of competition for all? What negative impacts would you expect your solution to have on non-LBGT persons, and how would you propose to address those issues? Have you ever even thought about negative impacts on others? Ever?

This is your problem, Tom. You see everything through, and only through, the narrow lens of a tiny minority of people. Their valid and legitimate interests count, but so do the valid and legitimate interests of others. And there are many others with valid and legitimate interests in protecting competitions from the distortions that you seek to impose. And despite your allegations, those interests have absolutely nothing to do with any phobia of any sort. You need to wake up and look at the world, and not just your narrow corner.

Don't pretend that there are lots of people who wish us harm. And they're in power.

And if they don't recognize Trans people as the gender they are, then they really don't have any credibility on these issues. Don't pretend that they don't want us, and by us that means ALL LGBT people, to simply cease to exist. Or only to exist in marginalized places.

Don't pretend that there are many who seek to use power to discriminate against our ability to thrive in society. Telling minorities to 'just shut up and let society decide what scraps of fifth class citizenship they deem good enough for us' isn't acceptable. And it won't result in any movement on the very real and very concrete issues that impact our lives.

No one is going to help us towards our goal of complete equality if we don't advocate for ourselves.

Complete equality. bwahahahahahahahahahaha yea right. You dont want anywhere near complete equality, because you would have to carry your own weight and pay your fair share like everyone else. You want exceptions to the rule.

And because I deem transgender and sexual deviancy as a religion, I demand it not be brought into our public schools. You know, the whole separation of the church and state.

(02-26-2017 12:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Full equality. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is fundamentally impossible because no matter how many times the left screams it, men and women are not physically equal. Yes, you can claim that we are equally valuable as humans... but that's a philosophical distinction and not one grounded in the reality of biology.
Sex differences go FAR beyond what genitals you have. Any one who claims otherwise is a science denier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQcgD5DpVlQ

We are not robots with the exact same abilities, strengths, and weaknesses.

This is the very reason male/female sports are kept separate. It's unfair for females to never win at a sporting event because they are biologically weaker than males.

Sure there are some outliers that exist that would be on the same level, but that's why they are called outliers. You can't base a conclusion solely on outliers while simultaneously deny the statistical mean.

(02-26-2017 11:41 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Re: q5sys ... You made a good point there. So I'm going to go ahead and move the goal posts back some and hope you can't hit a field goal from the new distance.

FTFY