BYU is surviving this Indy thing. They scored another P5 game, this time a H&H with Tennessee. Half their schedule is usually P5 the other half MWC schools. Good job BYU!
2019: BYU at Tennessee
2023: Tennessee at BYU

Cheers!

Impressive. Those mormons are putting together some nice schedules. Hope they like Lil John. Those MF ers play Turn down for what the whole game it seems.

They won't return the game.

Have you noticed every home and home serires BYU gets with a P5 school, the return game to BYU is always 4-5 years later. P5 schools are gambling that BYU will be joining a conference by the time the return game is scheduled.

(02-23-2017 10:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  They won't return the game.

Yep, we canceled our return trip.

Makes sense, since BYU is considered a P5 school for scheduling purposes by most of the P5.

(02-23-2017 10:31 PM)goofus Wrote:  Have you noticed every home and home serires BYU gets with a P5 school, the return game to BYU is always 4-5 years later.

P5 non-conf schedules are done many years in advance. That is normal.

(02-24-2017 07:05 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 10:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  They won't return the game.

Yep, we canceled our return trip.

Typical Notre Dame, not keeping promises.

I love how they claimed they were keeping BYU a "priority" when that happened.

One thing is for sure, Notre Dame will do what's best for Notre Dame every time. I can't wait for you to steal a bowl game from an ACC team. Will be hilarious.

Did Tennessee ever reschedule that home and home with UConn they suspended? I suspect not.

(02-23-2017 10:31 PM)goofus Wrote:  Have you noticed every home and home serires BYU gets with a P5 school, the return game to BYU is always 4-5 years later. P5 schools are gambling that BYU will be joining a conference by the time the return game is scheduled.

Except for Mississippi State, Baylor, and Virginia.

(02-24-2017 07:05 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 10:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  They won't return the game.

Yep, we canceled our return trip.

The 2nd 2-for-1 was dropped since ND's ACC scheduling agreement came afterwards. But the 1st 2-for-1 return game in Provo hasn't been canceled or bought out yet--at least as far as I can see. I've just heard it wasn't expected to be played earlier than 2020 at least.

(02-23-2017 10:31 PM)goofus Wrote:  Have you noticed every home and home serires BYU gets with a P5 school, the return game to BYU is always 4-5 years later. P5 schools are gambling that BYU will be joining a conference by the time the return game is scheduled.

It's not just BYU. There are many P5-G5 football contracts like that. The P5 program is giving itself the option to write a big check to buy out the return game. Often they do buy it out, sometimes not; there are times when they get closer to the game date and decide they'd rather play the road game than write the check.

Another convenient aspect for the P5 team is that putting the road game several years in the future usually punts the play-or-buyout decision away to a future AD and head football coach. If the Vols are deciding in December 2021 whether to go to Provo in 2023 or send BYU a check, the odds are pretty good that it will be someone else's problem.

(02-23-2017 10:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  They won't return the game.

Notre Dame is the only school to drop part of the series since BYU went independent. And that was largely caused by the subsequent ACC affiliation which made it much more difficult for the Irish to fit the games into future schedules - with 5 ACC games plus the annual Navy, USC, and Stanford games. Notre Dame officials have stated that there will still be one game in Provo, part of the first 2-for-1 sometime in 2020 or after, as a poster stated earlier.

This is the only cause of any speculation of schools not making the return trip to Provo. All other evidence is exactly the opposite. In the last decade, BYU has had return trips from:

Texas, Florida St., UCLA (twice), Washington, Oregon St., Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Utah.

Mississippi St., Washington St., and USC have or will travel to Provo first.

Wisconsin, California, Washington, and Utah are set to make return visits over the next couple of seasons.

There is no indication that BYU needs to worry that Tennessee will buy out the return trip to Provo.

(02-24-2017 11:04 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 07:05 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 10:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  They won't return the game.

Yep, we canceled our return trip.

Typical Notre Dame, not keeping promises.

I love how they claimed they were keeping BYU a "priority" when that happened.

One thing is for sure, Notre Dame will do what's best for Notre Dame every time. I can't wait for you to steal a bowl game from an ACC team. Will be hilarious.

Yeah, we're the only school in the history of College Football to look out for ourselves.
Funny Ou fan saying this, you do know who your university president is right?

(02-24-2017 04:40 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 10:08 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  They won't return the game.

Notre Dame is the only school to drop part of the series since BYU went independent. And that was largely caused by the subsequent ACC affiliation which made it much more difficult for the Irish to fit the games into future schedules - with 5 ACC games plus the annual Navy, USC, and Stanford games.

This is the only cause of any speculation of schools not making the return trip to Provo. All other evidence is exactly the opposite. In the last decade, BYU has had return trips from:

Texas, Florida St., UCLA (twice), Washington, Oregon St., Georgia Tech, Virginia, and Utah.

Mississippi St., Washington St., and USC have or will travel to Provo first.

Wisconsin, California, Washington, and Utah are set to make return visits over the next couple of seasons.

There is no indication that BYU needs to worry that Tennessee will buy out the return trip to Provo.

Apples and oranges.

The UCLA deal, for example, was for LA in 2015 and Provo in 2016. There wasn't enough time after the game in LA to give notice to cancel the game in Provo, unless the contract was written so poorly as to allow cancellation with only a few months' notice.

The Wisconsin series is 2 games in Madison (2013 and 2018) and 1 in Provo (2017), with the Provo game in the middle. Wisky isn't going to cancel the game in Provo unless they want to also lose the 2nd game in Madison.

Any deal in which a G5 team gets the first game at home also isn't the same as the Tennessee-BYU deal, because again, in that situation the P5 team would lose their own home game if they cancelled before the road game was played.

Tennessee is a different deal because they get the game in Knoxville several years before they're scheduled to play any game in Provo, which is why the comparison to the Notre Dame deal is apt.

Notre Dame was on the Big East Expansion committee right up until they left for the ACC after stabbing every fellow member in the back. Notre Dame backed out of numerous games with the OBE teams or made ridiculous demands for where games were played. Notre Dame has never been a good conference mate.

(02-23-2017 07:12 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  BYU is surviving this Indy thing. They scored another P5 game, this time a H&H with Tennessee. Half their schedule is usually P5 the other half MWC schools. Good job BYU!
2019: BYU at Tennessee
2023: Tennessee at BYU

Cheers!

BYU's scheduling formula appears to include:

Utah, Boise St., Utah St.
2 or 3 other PAC schools
2 or 3 other MWC schools (though, 2017 has 6 MWC schools!)
1 or 2 B1G or SEC schools
1 UMass or MAC
1 FCS

While we have future series with Virginia, Baylor, and USF and we're finishing up a series with ECU - I'd like to see more ACC, Big 12, and AAC games on the schedule.

(02-24-2017 04:56 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Apples and oranges.

The UCLA deal, for example, was for LA in 2015 and Provo in 2016. There wasn't enough time after the game in LA to give notice to cancel the game in Provo, unless the contract was written so poorly as to allow cancellation with only a few months' notice.

The Wisconsin series is 2 games in Madison (2013 and 2018) and 1 in Provo (2017), with the Provo game in the middle. Wisky isn't going to cancel the game in Provo unless they want to also lose the 2nd game in Madison.

Any deal in which a G5 team gets the first game at home also isn't the same as the Tennessee-BYU deal, because again, in that situation the P5 team would lose their own home game if they cancelled before the road game was played.

Tennessee is a different deal because they get the game in Knoxville several years before they're scheduled to play any game in Provo, which is why the comparison to the Notre Dame deal is apt.

Fair point, but Notre Dame is the only recent example of a school backing out of a contract with BYU, and that was directly on the heels of the ACC affiliation. Major change of circumstances than when the original contract was signed.

I still don't believe that BYU has to worry about it - no more than Oregon or Pitt or Indiana or Kansas State would need to worry that a school like Tennessee might back out.

(02-24-2017 04:58 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Notre Dame was on the Big East Expansion committee right up until they left for the ACC after stabbing every fellow member in the back. Notre Dame backed out of numerous games with the OBE teams or made ridiculous demands for where games were played. Notre Dame has never been a good conference mate.

Better than being a wallflower and Texas play thing.
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ooh burn. LOL. Talk about lame as comebacks.

(02-24-2017 04:58 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Notre Dame was on the Big East Expansion committee right up until they left for the ACC after stabbing every fellow member in the back. Notre Dame backed out of numerous games with the OBE teams or made ridiculous demands for where games were played. Notre Dame has never been a good conference mate.

First, ND and BYU are not conference mates. So, thread hijack attempt there.

Second, ND did not "back out of numerous games with the OBE teams"...so you are just making stuff up.

Third, the "ridiculous demands" were part of OOC scheduling, not conference scheduling and are called "negotiations". ND football was not a "conference mate" with the OBE football schools, at all.

Fourth, any conference would take ND in a second, including the Big 12, who tried to snag ND for the same or similar deal which ND ended up signing with the ACC.

So, "good conference mate" or not, nobody would refuse ND's call right this minute for conference membership. Nobody.

How do I know?

1) Big East (partial)
2) ACC (partial)
3) Hockey East
4) Big Ten (hockey)


....the Big Ten chased after ND for full membership for decades.

...and the Big 12 tried mightily to get ND as a partial member, sort of what it had with the OBE.....

....half of those OBE schools ended up "conference mates" (whatever that is--drinking buddies, or something?) with ND in the ACC and seem good with it.

Conference realignment has reinforced my belief that conferences are temporary business arrangements (not some Holy Alliance) to keep or discard when the money is right. Am I wrong about that?

(Who else was on that Big East expansion committee---and do you know that Pitt and Syracuse left the Big East for the ACC before ND did??)

Look, I know you dislike ND and love to take shots at it whenever possible, but your post was long on emotion and short on facts.

(02-27-2017 07:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-24-2017 04:58 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Notre Dame was on the Big East Expansion committee right up until they left for the ACC after stabbing every fellow member in the back. Notre Dame backed out of numerous games with the OBE teams or made ridiculous demands for where games were played. Notre Dame has never been a good conference mate.

First, ND and BYU are not conference mates. So, thread hijack attempt there.

Second, ND did not "back out of numerous games with the OBE teams"...so you are just making stuff up.

Third, the "ridiculous demands" were part of OOC scheduling, not conference scheduling and are called "negotiations". ND football was not a "conference mate" with the OBE football schools, at all.

Fourth, any conference would take ND in a second, including the Big 12, who tried to snag ND for the same or similar deal which ND ended up signing with the ACC.

So, "good conference mate" or not, nobody would refuse ND's call right this minute for conference membership. Nobody.

How do I know?

1) Big East (partial)
2) ACC (partial)
3) Hockey East
4) Big Ten (hockey)


....the Big Ten chased after ND for full membership for decades.

...and the Big 12 tried mightily to get ND as a partial member, sort of what it had with the OBE.....

....half of those OBE schools ended up "conference mates" (whatever that is--drinking buddies, or something?) with ND in the ACC and seem good with it.

Conference realignment has reinforced my belief that conferences are temporary business arrangements (not some Holy Alliance) to keep or discard when the money is right. Am I wrong about that?

(Who else was on that Big East expansion committee---and do you know that Pitt and Syracuse left the Big East for the ACC before ND did??)

Look, I know you dislike ND and love to take shots at it whenever possible, but your post was long on emotion and short on facts.

I saw you were butthurt on my neg rep. Thanks.

No thread hijack, just a conversation. If you can't handle it so be it.

Notre Dame did not honor its' agreement to play BIg East teams. IF you think they did then provide a list of games where they played each confernce mate. You can't, becasue they didn't, glad we got that straight.

Notre Dame was on the BE expansion committee right un until they left. Complete backstab move much like weaseling out of playing the BE schools in football.

I like pointing out facts, which upsets people like you. That's why you neg rep me and say I'm wrong. Everybody knows ND did not' keep it's obligations with the OBE for FB games. Everybody knows ND backstabbed the OBE schools when it was on the expansion committee and made plans to exit.

The Big 12, PAC, and SEC have never offered Notre Dame membership that I am aware of. You seem to really be taking this topic off the rails here. Try to stay on track and keep your emotions under control.