(04-15-2016 11:39 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 09:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 04:08 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 04:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2016 03:58 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Why not lift all restrictions, give all the talented kids the ability to play for any team that wants them no matter of they already have 85+ players. The argument that this hurts the recruits is bogus. If they are good they will get an offer, just maybe not from their preferred school.

Yeah it doesn't hurt a kid to have fewer choices in where to attend college. You slit the throat of your own argument, don't want you in my fox hole when the war comes.

Someone's just mad they can't go into someone else's backyard and poach recruits. Cause you know, it's all for their benefit.

Poach: To take fish or game illegally, especially by trespassing on another's property.

Plantation mentality. They aren't yours nor UGA nor GT's to be "poached". You aren't given ownership rights over the chattel of the land.

No, just don't understand why people think one camp for every three athletes is necessary. Especially when the NCAA has changed the rule to allow each school to pay for the travel of any prospect you are interested in.

1) watch the hudl film
2) call the coach and prospect/parents
3) if interested offer a free trip
4) prospect can accept or decline

With Ark St's $30 million budget and $1 million coach, they need to spend a little on the kids. I don't understand the need for 1 camp for every 3 prospects and let's be honest in that many of the coaches are sharks making promises they have no intention to keep, so not sure an uncontrolled environment is what is best for me he 14-17 year old kids.

Haha...if teams recruited specifically using that approach, they'd stink.

As for spending more on the kids, good grief. You honestly have no idea what you are talking about here at all...

(04-15-2016 11:39 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  With Ark St's $30 million budget and $1 million coach, they need to spend a little on the kids. I don't understand the need for 1 camp for every 3 prospects and let's be honest in that many of the coaches are sharks making promises they have no intention to keep, so not sure an uncontrolled environment is what is best for me he 14-17 year old kids.

Anderson gets $700k

But as for your concern about the kids in the past year AState:
1. Has started paying over $4k in COA per scholarship
2. Added training tables so they have more food choices than the cafeteria.
3. Created the Red Wolf Leadership Academy which matches student-athletes up with mentors in their degree field to help prepare them for life after college. Prior to their senior year if they are doing the work in the Academy and making their grades, they are eligible for study abroad where they will go overseas to earn additional academic credit.

I'd say we are doing a good job taking care of kids.

As for the idea of X number of camps per signees, there are probably 50 or more stores within a reasonable drive of my house offering coffee makers should the number of stores be restricted since there are more coffee maker options than number of coffee makers I will purchase in a lifetime?

(04-15-2016 02:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:39 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  With Ark St's $30 million budget and $1 million coach, they need to spend a little on the kids. I don't understand the need for 1 camp for every 3 prospects and let's be honest in that many of the coaches are sharks making promises they have no intention to keep, so not sure an uncontrolled environment is what is best for me he 14-17 year old kids.

Anderson gets $700k

But as for your concern about the kids in the past year AState:
1. Has started paying over $4k in COA per scholarship
2. Added training tables so they have more food choices than the cafeteria.
3. Created the Red Wolf Leadership Academy which matches student-athletes up with mentors in their degree field to help prepare them for life after college. Prior to their senior year if they are doing the work in the Academy and making their grades, they are eligible for study abroad where they will go overseas to earn additional academic credit.

I'd say we are doing a good job taking care of kids.

As for the idea of X number of camps per signees, there are probably 50 or more stores within a reasonable drive of my house offering coffee makers should the number of stores be restricted since there are more coffee maker options than number of coffee makers I will purchase in a lifetime?

We aren't talking about car dealerships or coffee houses, but most communities have zoning laws that restrict what you can do. Using your logic of you should be able to do what you want, the rules below should be removed:

Any school can move from fcs to FBS if they choose.

No scholarship limits

Unrestricted recruiting. Anything within the law is allowable. No dead periods. After all, people can talk to whoever they choose in their personal life so why should the NCAA limit this freedom? And doing so would give the recruits more access.

We know doing that will cause major,major problems that threaten the game just like how satellite camps were getting out of hand.

(04-15-2016 03:40 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 02:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:39 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  With Ark St's $30 million budget and $1 million coach, they need to spend a little on the kids. I don't understand the need for 1 camp for every 3 prospects and let's be honest in that many of the coaches are sharks making promises they have no intention to keep, so not sure an uncontrolled environment is what is best for me he 14-17 year old kids.

Anderson gets $700k

But as for your concern about the kids in the past year AState:
1. Has started paying over $4k in COA per scholarship
2. Added training tables so they have more food choices than the cafeteria.
3. Created the Red Wolf Leadership Academy which matches student-athletes up with mentors in their degree field to help prepare them for life after college. Prior to their senior year if they are doing the work in the Academy and making their grades, they are eligible for study abroad where they will go overseas to earn additional academic credit.

I'd say we are doing a good job taking care of kids.

As for the idea of X number of camps per signees, there are probably 50 or more stores within a reasonable drive of my house offering coffee makers should the number of stores be restricted since there are more coffee maker options than number of coffee makers I will purchase in a lifetime?

We aren't talking about car dealerships or coffee houses, but most communities have zoning laws that restrict what you can do. Using your logic of you should be able to do what you want, the rules below should be removed:

Any school can move from fcs to FBS if they choose.

No scholarship limits

Unrestricted recruiting. Anything within the law is allowable. No dead periods. After all, people can talk to whoever they choose in their personal life so why should the NCAA limit this freedom? And doing so would give the recruits more access.

We know doing that will cause major,major problems that threaten the game just like how satellite camps were getting out of hand.

How much of your opinion has to do with Georgia state hosting penn state for a camp the last two years?

Say what you want about out of hand but I don't think (or feel) TXST having 4 camps, off campus, in a 5 day stretch at the end of June is out of hand. It's not like we're having them all summer all over the state. It's 4 camps in 5 days in the same week.

(04-15-2016 08:01 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Say what you want about out of hand but I don't think (or feel) TXST having 4 camps, off campus, in a 5 day stretch at the end of June is out of hand. It's not like we're having them all summer all over the state. It's 4 camps in 5 days in the same week.

I think Georgia Southern had 6. Maybe 4 is ok and 6 is out of hand.

(04-15-2016 05:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 03:40 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 02:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:39 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  With Ark St's $30 million budget and $1 million coach, they need to spend a little on the kids. I don't understand the need for 1 camp for every 3 prospects and let's be honest in that many of the coaches are sharks making promises they have no intention to keep, so not sure an uncontrolled environment is what is best for me he 14-17 year old kids.

Anderson gets $700k

But as for your concern about the kids in the past year AState:
1. Has started paying over $4k in COA per scholarship
2. Added training tables so they have more food choices than the cafeteria.
3. Created the Red Wolf Leadership Academy which matches student-athletes up with mentors in their degree field to help prepare them for life after college. Prior to their senior year if they are doing the work in the Academy and making their grades, they are eligible for study abroad where they will go overseas to earn additional academic credit.

I'd say we are doing a good job taking care of kids.

As for the idea of X number of camps per signees, there are probably 50 or more stores within a reasonable drive of my house offering coffee makers should the number of stores be restricted since there are more coffee maker options than number of coffee makers I will purchase in a lifetime?

We aren't talking about car dealerships or coffee houses, but most communities have zoning laws that restrict what you can do. Using your logic of you should be able to do what you want, the rules below should be removed:

Any school can move from fcs to FBS if they choose.

No scholarship limits

Unrestricted recruiting. Anything within the law is allowable. No dead periods. After all, people can talk to whoever they choose in their personal life so why should the NCAA limit this freedom? And doing so would give the recruits more access.

We know doing that will cause major,major problems that threaten the game just like how satellite camps were getting out of hand.

How much of your opinion has to do with Georgia state hosting penn state for a camp the last two years?

Its really just the big picture that it was a completely unmanageable situation that was getting out of hand like the old recruiting days when you had unlimited contact

Georgia Southern apparently somehow did our scheduled "Eagle Invasion" camp in Jacksonville yesterday. Not sure how that works. I suppose if a camp was already scheduled it's exempt from the ban?

The answer is the rule the SEC had in place. You only have camps in your home state. Since you can have a camp on the state border you can reach kids far into neighboring states. This actually gives you more access than xx miles from campus and eliminates all the cross state drama.

It's not perfect but it is by far the best solution. For those that say some states are larger then the counter is some states have more population or some lose the radius from campus because of oceans. It worked well for the sec.

(04-16-2016 09:44 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  It worked well for the sec.

A lot of stuff works well for the SEC.

(04-15-2016 03:40 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 02:53 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-15-2016 11:39 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  With Ark St's $30 million budget and $1 million coach, they need to spend a little on the kids. I don't understand the need for 1 camp for every 3 prospects and let's be honest in that many of the coaches are sharks making promises they have no intention to keep, so not sure an uncontrolled environment is what is best for me he 14-17 year old kids.

Anderson gets $700k

But as for your concern about the kids in the past year AState:
1. Has started paying over $4k in COA per scholarship
2. Added training tables so they have more food choices than the cafeteria.
3. Created the Red Wolf Leadership Academy which matches student-athletes up with mentors in their degree field to help prepare them for life after college. Prior to their senior year if they are doing the work in the Academy and making their grades, they are eligible for study abroad where they will go overseas to earn additional academic credit.

I'd say we are doing a good job taking care of kids.

As for the idea of X number of camps per signees, there are probably 50 or more stores within a reasonable drive of my house offering coffee makers should the number of stores be restricted since there are more coffee maker options than number of coffee makers I will purchase in a lifetime?

We aren't talking about car dealerships or coffee houses, but most communities have zoning laws that restrict what you can do. Using your logic of you should be able to do what you want, the rules below should be removed:

Any school can move from fcs to FBS if they choose.

No scholarship limits

Unrestricted recruiting. Anything within the law is allowable. No dead periods. After all, people can talk to whoever they choose in their personal life so why should the NCAA limit this freedom? And doing so would give the recruits more access.

We know doing that will cause major,major problems that threaten the game just like how satellite camps were getting out of hand.

You'd be an outstanding member of a city council, state legislature or congress and fit right in.

Cars are driving 80mph past the elementary schools just ban cars driving on that street rather than set a speed limit and enforce it.
A clerk steals office supplies eliminate the agency they worked at.

Yeah there is potential for it to all get too crazy but that is sensibly dealt with caps on the number of camps and maybe a limited window when they can be held.

(04-16-2016 09:44 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The answer is the rule the SEC had in place. You only have camps in your home state. Since you can have a camp on the state border you can reach kids far into neighboring states. This actually gives you more access than xx miles from campus and eliminates all the cross state drama.

It's not perfect but it is by far the best solution. For those that say some states are larger then the counter is some states have more population or some lose the radius from campus because of oceans. It worked well for the sec.

Not even close to the best solution, it is the plantation solution for those who think the kids in the state are chattel owned by the schools in the state. It screws Hawaii, Boise, Idaho, Utah, Utah State, BYU, Wyoming, Minnesota, UConn, UMass, Oregon, Oregon State, Nevada, UNLV, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Iowa, Iowa State, Kentucky, Louisville, West Virginia, and Marshall all schools either in very small states geographically or producing 0 to 5 recruits who are three star or above each year.

Funny how the camp ban advocates were telling us that the ban is just a case of democracy in action, the majority ruling.
http://sanmarcosrecord.com/sports-texas-...tt-withers

Oh a majority of Sun Belt schools FAVORED camps yet our one vote went against so we could be on the winning side. We now know that half or nearly half of Pac-12 schools favored camps but their two votes went against camps. We know Arkansas and UGA were planning to hold camps (Arkansas was talking about using the Dallas Cowboys training facility), Hugh Freeze now touts the problems of NOT having the camps.

(04-16-2016 01:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Funny how the camp ban advocates were telling us that the ban is just a case of democracy in action, the majority ruling.
http://sanmarcosrecord.com/sports-texas-...tt-withers

Oh a majority of Sun Belt schools FAVORED camps yet our one vote went against so we could be on the winning side. We now know that half or nearly half of Pac-12 schools favored camps but their two votes went against camps. We know Arkansas and UGA were planning to hold camps (Arkansas was talking about using the Dallas Cowboys training facility), Hugh Freeze now touts the problems of NOT having the camps.

Posted that on the other thread. Teis is a total..........
Pac12 was 11 for, last I read.

Quote:“A majority of the Sun Belt membership was in favor of satellite camps. It wasn’t unanimous, however,” Sun Belt commissioner Karl Benson said in a phone interview. “Larry (Teis) is not locked into or obligated to side with the majority. He had the latitude to make a decision that was not necessarily in the best interest of Texas State or a majority of the Sun Belt but in the best interest of college football. To throw Larry Teis under the bus and to call him out for not representing the Sun Belt is uncalled for.

Yes, we can throw him under the bus. The Benson statement is contradictory.
I swear Larry is angling (or attempting to) and trying to stay on the P5s good side when they could care less.

Yeah I feel like it was a case of let's be on the winning side.
As for Pac-12 last I had seen USC and UCLA were the only ones firmly on the no camp bandwagon

(04-16-2016 04:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Yeah I feel like it was a case of let's be on the winning side.
As for Pac-12 last I had seen USC and UCLA were the only ones firmly on the no camp bandwagon

So, you don't think the SBC's shared interests and direct ties to the SEC had anything to do with it (i.e., kissing up to big brother)? My mind keeps coming back to that suspicion for some reason.

(04-16-2016 05:00 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 04:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Yeah I feel like it was a case of let's be on the winning side.
As for Pac-12 last I had seen USC and UCLA were the only ones firmly on the no camp bandwagon

So, you don't think the SBC's shared interests and direct ties to the SEC had anything to do with it (i.e., kissing up to big brother)? My mind keeps coming back to that suspicion for some reason.

The only thing kissing up to the SEC gets us is crap on our faces and the current "smell of suspicion"

(04-16-2016 01:24 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-16-2016 09:44 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The answer is the rule the SEC had in place. You only have camps in your home state. Since you can have a camp on the state border you can reach kids far into neighboring states. This actually gives you more access than xx miles from campus and eliminates all the cross state drama.

It's not perfect but it is by far the best solution. For those that say some states are larger then the counter is some states have more population or some lose the radius from campus because of oceans. It worked well for the sec.

Not even close to the best solution, it is the plantation solution for those who think the kids in the state are chattel owned by the schools in the state. It screws Hawaii, Boise, Idaho, Utah, Utah State, BYU, Wyoming, Minnesota, UConn, UMass, Oregon, Oregon State, Nevada, UNLV, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Iowa, Iowa State, Kentucky, Louisville, West Virginia, and Marshall all schools either in very small states geographically or producing 0 to 5 recruits who are three star or above each year.

These schools mostly aren't running camps in Texas and Florida. P5 schools might be more impacted.

In state camps are needed when the college town is located in the middle nowhere. It doesn't hurt New Mexico when they are locate in the state's biggest market to begin with but it does hurt New Mexico State.

Camps don't stop recruiters from keeping a network with HS coaches in those markets.

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NCAA Board of Directors rescinds ban on satellite camps, source tells @ESPN

NCAA Board of Directors rescinds satellite camp ban

Board rescinds camps and clinics rule, directs Council to review football recruiting model