(02-02-2016 09:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Those are a lot of mouths to feed. I can see the Big 12 getting behind adding 2, but not 4, especially when all 4 are net takers.

I imagine if that was somehow squeezed through, UT and OU would be sprinting out the back door before the new 4 even arrived. Both would be welcomed anywhere with open arms, so why would they stay and play in a glorified G6 league?

Not really. The current B12 footprint is 40 million people. Adding those schools would ad 37.5 million people not including NYC.

Increasing the market footprint does nothing without a conference network. A conference network is not on the table because Texas is not willing to take a huge paycut just to keep the other schools happy. Without the conference network, anything past 2 new schools will cost the big12 money.

(02-02-2016 09:30 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Those are a lot of mouths to feed. I can see the Big 12 getting behind adding 2, but not 4, especially when all 4 are net takers.

I imagine if that was somehow squeezed through, UT and OU would be sprinting out the back door before the new 4 even arrived. Both would be welcomed anywhere with open arms, so why would they stay and play in a glorified G6 league?

Not really. The current B12 footprint is 40 million people. Adding those schools would ad 37.5 million people not including NYC.

Increasing the market footprint does nothing without a conference network. A conference network is not on the table because Texas is not willing to take a huge paycut just to keep the other schools happy. Without the conference network, anything past 2 new schools will cost the big12 money.

Agree. I think the conference network is what Boren wants and then add the schools with the implied threat of leaving for the B10.

(02-02-2016 09:32 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:30 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Those are a lot of mouths to feed. I can see the Big 12 getting behind adding 2, but not 4, especially when all 4 are net takers.

I imagine if that was somehow squeezed through, UT and OU would be sprinting out the back door before the new 4 even arrived. Both would be welcomed anywhere with open arms, so why would they stay and play in a glorified G6 league?

Not really. The current B12 footprint is 40 million people. Adding those schools would ad 37.5 million people not including NYC.

Increasing the market footprint does nothing without a conference network. A conference network is not on the table because Texas is not willing to take a huge paycut just to keep the other schools happy. Without the conference network, anything past 2 new schools will cost the big12 money.

Agree. I think the conference network is what Boren wants and then add the schools with the implied threat of leaving for the B10.

Agreed. In the back of my mind I actually wonder if Boren even wants expansion at all. The way hes posturing, it makes me feel like he's just putting on a show. Then, when Oklahoma leaves he can say "look how hard we tried to make the big12 work."

(02-02-2016 09:37 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:32 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:30 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Those are a lot of mouths to feed. I can see the Big 12 getting behind adding 2, but not 4, especially when all 4 are net takers.

I imagine if that was somehow squeezed through, UT and OU would be sprinting out the back door before the new 4 even arrived. Both would be welcomed anywhere with open arms, so why would they stay and play in a glorified G6 league?

Not really. The current B12 footprint is 40 million people. Adding those schools would ad 37.5 million people not including NYC.

Increasing the market footprint does nothing without a conference network. A conference network is not on the table because Texas is not willing to take a huge paycut just to keep the other schools happy. Without the conference network, anything past 2 new schools will cost the big12 money.

Agree. I think the conference network is what Boren wants and then add the schools with the implied threat of leaving for the B10.

Agreed. In the back of my mind I actually wonder if Boren even wants expansion at all. The way hes posturing, it makes me feel like he's just putting on a show. Then, when Oklahoma leaves he can say "look how hard we tried to make the big12 work."

Agreed. His timing is just in line with the B1G's TV negotiations too. Coincidence?

Boren is posturing for a B1G invite, but like Ive said a hundred times, it wont be east to separate themselves without OSU. T Boone is making damn sure about that.

Ive been told that there is actually a little steam behind this.... but not so much that I am even beginning to get my hopes up. When USF hired Harlan he immediately went to work on the Big 12. Hes directly worked for 4 of the ADs in the B12, so he has a ton of connections and relationships. Add in that the Kansas AD was the Assistant AD at USF and we have strong ties to 5 members. We have been told hes had productive discussions but I have an always stick to one line of thinking...

If the Big 12 goes to 12, then I think its Cinci and Uconn. If they go to 14, then USF has a chance. I never have believed we will be in the discussion for #11 or #12. USF and UCF is the long term move. It is the investment and a wise one at that, but its not the move you make if your just gonna go to 12.

(02-02-2016 09:37 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:32 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:30 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:24 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Those are a lot of mouths to feed. I can see the Big 12 getting behind adding 2, but not 4, especially when all 4 are net takers.

I imagine if that was somehow squeezed through, UT and OU would be sprinting out the back door before the new 4 even arrived. Both would be welcomed anywhere with open arms, so why would they stay and play in a glorified G6 league?

Not really. The current B12 footprint is 40 million people. Adding those schools would ad 37.5 million people not including NYC.

Increasing the market footprint does nothing without a conference network. A conference network is not on the table because Texas is not willing to take a huge paycut just to keep the other schools happy. Without the conference network, anything past 2 new schools will cost the big12 money.

Agree. I think the conference network is what Boren wants and then add the schools with the implied threat of leaving for the B10.

Agreed. In the back of my mind I actually wonder if Boren even wants expansion at all. The way hes posturing, it makes me feel like he's just putting on a show. Then, when Oklahoma leaves he can say "look how hard we tried to make the big12 work."

It also leaves less collateral damage(lawsuits) for the other schools when he does leave.

(02-01-2016 07:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 06:53 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 06:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 06:44 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Misleading title. Those schools are his opinions not Big 12.

No, he's citing sources close to the Big 12 and will be discussed for expansion.

That isn't what the source said that is what he is saying. The source talked about BYU. The guy needs to go and edit his article. Quoting his source would be a good start.

No. The source talked about BYU, UC, UConn, Cincinnati, USF, and UCF.
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Here is what a source close to the situation has told Sporting News about possible expansion:

BYU might stand as the most attractive potential partner because of its large following, excellent facilities and considerable wealth, but the challenges of adding a partner that declines to participate in Sunday competition is among the obstacles that appear to be too considerable.

That leaves three possible scenarios for the expansion issue.

1) The Big 12 could choose to move East to add Cincinnati and Connecticut. Cincinnati has developed the most consistent football program of potential expansion candidates and is located in a major media market. UConn is four-time NCAA champion in men’s basketball and also adds the cachet of the dynastic women’s basketball program.

2) For football recruiting purposes and long-term potential, the Big 12 could advance into Florida by adding Central Florida and South Florida.

If only Memphis had gone all in with women's basketball years ago. Maybe we would be in the discussion for P5 inclusion.

(02-02-2016 09:56 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 07:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 06:53 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 06:50 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 06:44 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Misleading title. Those schools are his opinions not Big 12.

No, he's citing sources close to the Big 12 and will be discussed for expansion.

That isn't what the source said that is what he is saying. The source talked about BYU. The guy needs to go and edit his article. Quoting his source would be a good start.

No. The source talked about BYU, UC, UConn, Cincinnati, USF, and UCF.
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Here is what a source close to the situation has told Sporting News about possible expansion:

BYU might stand as the most attractive potential partner because of its large following, excellent facilities and considerable wealth, but the challenges of adding a partner that declines to participate in Sunday competition is among the obstacles that appear to be too considerable.

That leaves three possible scenarios for the expansion issue.

1) The Big 12 could choose to move East to add Cincinnati and Connecticut. Cincinnati has developed the most consistent football program of potential expansion candidates and is located in a major media market. UConn is four-time NCAA champion in men’s basketball and also adds the cachet of the dynastic women’s basketball program.

2) For football recruiting purposes and long-term potential, the Big 12 could advance into Florida by adding Central Florida and South Florida.

If only Memphis had gone all in with women's basketball years ago. Maybe we would be in the discussion for P5 inclusion.

Funny thing is... Uconn actually makes solid money of their womens BBall program. I wish USF got anywhere near the income they do.

I expect the Big 12 to do nothing at all, but it wouldnt shock me if they did decide to expand. With the B1G about to get their new deal (and its gonna set records) and the SEC now having the most succesfull network launch in history, I think they may be coming around to seeing that staying at 10 has some serious long term problems.

(02-02-2016 09:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Texas is the big hang up in the deal. As for the schools that would be considered, I think those are the 4. I personally think UCF/Cincy makes the most sense,(if only 2) though I understand any combo they wish to put out there.

With a conf network, I think all 4 make a lot of sense. Bring them in at reduced rates till next tv deal done. maybe 7 to 10 mil per year. The champ game alone would pay 6 to 7 of that. You gain tons of inventory for network, Tampa, Orlando, Cincy, and Uconn markets. and strong inroads to fla recruits.

I see the logic and would like a UC/U_F combo. That being said DeCourcey clarified in the BCJ podcast that he is hearing if USF or UCF get in the B12 they come as a package or not at all. He does not foresee a UC/UCF, UC/USF, UConn/USF, UConn/USF, BYU/USF, or BYU/UCF scenario. He said the reason is because the Big 12 does not want to isolate the one Florida addition.

(02-01-2016 09:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 06:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-01-2016 06:44 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  No matter what the Big 12 does, the AAC should discuss Air Force and Colorado State at our next meetings.

They can "discuss" it all they want. Your school will end up leaving us for the MWC if the big 12 snags 4 of our schools before us leftovers snag up Air Force and CSU.....just being realistic. I can hope ECU gets into the Big 12 and you can wish Houston gets in, but if we re left out of the 4 taken......bad, bad, bad. CUSA 4.0...Cheers! P.S. This article seems more like a bleacher report college newspaper article than the Sporting News.

Scarey when you and I agree. Lose those 4 and the AAC is worse than the 2011 CUSA we all gladly paid exit fees to leave. Worse yet, there are no decent replacement options. Yeah, lose those 4 and it's probably every man for himself.

"if" this were to happen, I think it would be a race between Houston, SMU, Tulsa, memphis and Tulane to see who can join the MWC fastest. I tend to think that Tulsa gets screwed on that, just because the other 4 have larger markets and are better destinations with easier travel. Then ECU and Temple are screwed simply cause geography. Navy would go back to Indy.

Maybe they could form a new G5? Temple, ECU, Navy isnt a bad start to something new. Stay small could have advantages and cost less in travel. You might even get Army to come on board. Add in Umass, grab ODU, Marshall, TOldeo and NIU. Small footprint, major markets, only 9 teams, so you do 8 conference games... maybe add bball programs like VCU, Richmond and others. I bet it makes similar money to the crap fest we get now.

Any argument of an attendance increase in a new conference is useless. Everybody would see a bump in attendance playing the likes of Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

(02-02-2016 10:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Texas is the big hang up in the deal. As for the schools that would be considered, I think those are the 4. I personally think UCF/Cincy makes the most sense,(if only 2) though I understand any combo they wish to put out there.

With a conf network, I think all 4 make a lot of sense. Bring them in at reduced rates till next tv deal done. maybe 7 to 10 mil per year. The champ game alone would pay 6 to 7 of that. You gain tons of inventory for network, Tampa, Orlando, Cincy, and Uconn markets. and strong inroads to fla recruits.

I see the logic and would like a UC/U_F combo. That being said DeCourcey clarified in the BCJ podcast that he is hearing if USF or UCF get in the B12 they come as a package or not at all. He does not foresee a UC/UCF, UC/USF, UConn/USF, UConn/USF, BYU/USF, or BYU/UCF scenario. He said the reason is because the Big 12 does not want to isolate the one Florida addition.

Our AD Harlan has been working with UCFs AD almost since day one. We hate each other, but we also know were more attractive as a pair. Everyone wants to hop into bed with twins...even if USF is the smarter more attractive twin.

(02-02-2016 10:35 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Texas is the big hang up in the deal. As for the schools that would be considered, I think those are the 4. I personally think UCF/Cincy makes the most sense,(if only 2) though I understand any combo they wish to put out there.

With a conf network, I think all 4 make a lot of sense. Bring them in at reduced rates till next tv deal done. maybe 7 to 10 mil per year. The champ game alone would pay 6 to 7 of that. You gain tons of inventory for network, Tampa, Orlando, Cincy, and Uconn markets. and strong inroads to fla recruits.

I see the logic and would like a UC/U_F combo. That being said DeCourcey clarified in the BCJ podcast that he is hearing if USF or UCF get in the B12 they come as a package or not at all. He does not foresee a UC/UCF, UC/USF, UConn/USF, UConn/USF, BYU/USF, or BYU/UCF scenario. He said the reason is because the Big 12 does not want to isolate the one Florida addition.

Our AD Harlan has been working with UCFs AD almost since day one. We hate each other, but we also know were more attractive as a pair. Everyone wants to hop into bed with twins...even if USF is the smarter more attractive twin.

I wish both schools were working with each other the last 15 years. It makes sense on so many levels. Plus you join a conference central and Midwest based, it is nice to have an east coast partner.

Feel dirty for even saying this...

I think this is probably a whole bunch of nothing... they got their waiver to have a CCG at 10 schools for a reason. But, I've been long saying don't discount USF or/and UCF. When the SEC to TA&M and planted a flag in Texas... the B12 would have to be looking long and hard at getting into Florida. They would be crazy not to... I think Cinci is the only lock... UConn is obviously attractive, but way outside the footprint.

I think the Big 12 is near a breakup.

(02-02-2016 10:35 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Texas is the big hang up in the deal. As for the schools that would be considered, I think those are the 4. I personally think UCF/Cincy makes the most sense,(if only 2) though I understand any combo they wish to put out there.

With a conf network, I think all 4 make a lot of sense. Bring them in at reduced rates till next tv deal done. maybe 7 to 10 mil per year. The champ game alone would pay 6 to 7 of that. You gain tons of inventory for network, Tampa, Orlando, Cincy, and Uconn markets. and strong inroads to fla recruits.

I see the logic and would like a UC/U_F combo. That being said DeCourcey clarified in the BCJ podcast that he is hearing if USF or UCF get in the B12 they come as a package or not at all. He does not foresee a UC/UCF, UC/USF, UConn/USF, UConn/USF, BYU/USF, or BYU/UCF scenario. He said the reason is because the Big 12 does not want to isolate the one Florida addition.

Our AD Harlan has been working with UCFs AD almost since day one. We hate each other, but we also know were more attractive as a pair. Everyone wants to hop into bed with twins...even if USF is the smarter more attractive twin.

We forgot to tell you, no one cares.

(02-02-2016 10:35 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Texas is the big hang up in the deal. As for the schools that would be considered, I think those are the 4. I personally think UCF/Cincy makes the most sense,(if only 2) though I understand any combo they wish to put out there.

With a conf network, I think all 4 make a lot of sense. Bring them in at reduced rates till next tv deal done. maybe 7 to 10 mil per year. The champ game alone would pay 6 to 7 of that. You gain tons of inventory for network, Tampa, Orlando, Cincy, and Uconn markets. and strong inroads to fla recruits.

I see the logic and would like a UC/U_F combo. That being said DeCourcey clarified in the BCJ podcast that he is hearing if USF or UCF get in the B12 they come as a package or not at all. He does not foresee a UC/UCF, UC/USF, UConn/USF, UConn/USF, BYU/USF, or BYU/UCF scenario. He said the reason is because the Big 12 does not want to isolate the one Florida addition.

Our AD Harlan has been working with UCFs AD almost since day one. We hate each other, but we also know were more attractive as a pair. Everyone wants to hop into bed with twins...even if USF is the smarter more attractive twin.

usf does have the pedigree of a great attendance, championships, big bowl wins and finishing seasons ranked LOL

(02-02-2016 11:17 AM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:35 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 10:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-02-2016 09:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Texas is the big hang up in the deal. As for the schools that would be considered, I think those are the 4. I personally think UCF/Cincy makes the most sense,(if only 2) though I understand any combo they wish to put out there.

With a conf network, I think all 4 make a lot of sense. Bring them in at reduced rates till next tv deal done. maybe 7 to 10 mil per year. The champ game alone would pay 6 to 7 of that. You gain tons of inventory for network, Tampa, Orlando, Cincy, and Uconn markets. and strong inroads to fla recruits.

I see the logic and would like a UC/U_F combo. That being said DeCourcey clarified in the BCJ podcast that he is hearing if USF or UCF get in the B12 they come as a package or not at all. He does not foresee a UC/UCF, UC/USF, UConn/USF, UConn/USF, BYU/USF, or BYU/UCF scenario. He said the reason is because the Big 12 does not want to isolate the one Florida addition.

Our AD Harlan has been working with UCFs AD almost since day one. We hate each other, but we also know were more attractive as a pair. Everyone wants to hop into bed with twins...even if USF is the smarter more attractive twin.

usf does have the pedigree of a great attendance, championships, big bowl wins and finishing seasons ranked LOL

Oh joy. Another juvenile pi**ing match takes root...

(02-01-2016 06:44 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  No matter what the Big 12 does, the AAC should discuss Air Force and Colorado State at our next meetings.

CSU won't leave the mountain west to play a bunch of teams it has pretty much no history with.

(02-02-2016 11:10 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think the Big 12 is near a breakup.

Oh man I'd love for this to happen. How do we make this happen? Can we collectively send Texas' ad a note that says, F you, signed David Boren?