So adding an AAC or MWC school changes their little brother status?

(01-15-2016 09:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why can't Oklahoma start the "sooner network" like Texas did?

2 of his 3 concerns could now be addressed....

I believe they do, as does Kansas.

(01-15-2016 09:31 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whether it happens or not, dissecting this statement: “We’ll look at the fan base, we’ll look at the size of their programs, we’ll look at the academics of the institutions. We’ll look at them comprehensively as to which is the best fit. And also we’ll consider geography to a certain degree.”

I think Houston and Cincy are the two that on all criteria. Houston's only hitch possibly being the fan base, but in the Big12 I think that is a non issue. UCONN is Houston's competition IMO, with geography being the biggest hurdle. Also, I'm going to assume that if BYU were in the mix, their coach would not have ditched them for UVA... Also do not think BSU is in the mix either as they'll look east and to the AAC...

USF misses on program size and fan base
UCF misses on program size and academics
ECU see UCF
Memphis misses on academics
Temple misses on fan base
Tulane missed on fan base and program size

Wait a second... You say UCF misses on academics but USF doesn't? They're every so slightly higher ranked academically, but certainly not enough to move the needle.

...and BOTH are higher ranked than Houston which you say is fine academically.

(01-15-2016 09:31 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why can't Oklahoma start the "sooner network" like Texas did?

2 of his 3 concerns could now be addressed....

I believe they do, as does Kansas.

Any school can start one in the Big12 but the question is interest and how much they'll get paid from it.

Texas's TV deal with the Longhorn network actually pays them more than if they were in any other P5 conference. However, that's the exception and not the rule.

(01-15-2016 09:31 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whether it happens or not, dissecting this statement: “We’ll look at the fan base, we’ll look at the size of their programs, we’ll look at the academics of the institutions. We’ll look at them comprehensively as to which is the best fit. And also we’ll consider geography to a certain degree.”

I think Houston and Cincy are the two that on all criteria. Houston's only hitch possibly being the fan base, but in the Big12 I think that is a non issue. UCONN is Houston's competition IMO, with geography being the biggest hurdle. Also, I'm going to assume that if BYU were in the mix, their coach would not have ditched them for UVA... Also do not think BSU is in the mix either as they'll look east and to the AAC...

USF misses on program size and fan base
UCF misses on program size and academics
ECU see UCF
Memphis misses on academics
Temple misses on fan base
Tulane missed on fan base and program size

Bard Martin and David Rudd have really done well here...

(01-11-2016 01:47 PM)kabluey Wrote:  I haven't seen this anywhere, and it seems to me it is at least incidentally related to our attractiveness to a P5 conference. It shows the direction the university is headed in all phases, and with any luck will be looked back upon as the worst year in research funding for the foreseeable future. (It also shows the mediocrity of past academic inquiry and research, but hopefully that's all in the past).

MBJ: U of M outpaces University of Alabama

"As 2015 comes to a close, it marks the best research year on record for the University of Memphis.

Memphis’ largest public university climbed the ranks when it came to research and development funding expenditures for the 2014-2015 year, as listed by the National Science Foundation.

The University of Memphis climbed 19 places in a single year, jumping from No. 203 to No. 184, with a total of $55.6 million spent on research.
“It’s our highest ranking in 103 years,” said U of M President David M. Rudd.

The U of M is just ahead of the University of Alabama and a few spots behind the University of Tennessee Health Science Center.

Private entities, such as the National Institute for Health, National Science Foundation and other private entities, fund the university’s research enterprise, which includes programs in bioscience, transportation and public health, among other specialties."

MBJ: U of M outpaces University of Alabama

(01-15-2016 09:31 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why can't Oklahoma start the "sooner network" like Texas did?

2 of his 3 concerns could now be addressed....

I believe they do, as does Kansas.

Oklahoma already has a substantial deal with Fox. It's about the revenue inequality within the conference and not the exposure.

Oklahoma's exposure is comparable (not as good but comparable) to the LHN. It's the 15 million that UT is getting versus what the rest of the conference is getting.

Yes its a free market and the way the conference set things up but in hindsight I think they wouldn't have gone down this route.

They are trying to correct this error for the good and stability of the conference.

(01-15-2016 09:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:33 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:31 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whether it happens or not, dissecting this statement: “We’ll look at the fan base, we’ll look at the size of their programs, we’ll look at the academics of the institutions. We’ll look at them comprehensively as to which is the best fit. And also we’ll consider geography to a certain degree.”

I think Houston and Cincy are the two that on all criteria. Houston's only hitch possibly being the fan base, but in the Big12 I think that is a non issue. UCONN is Houston's competition IMO, with geography being the biggest hurdle. Also, I'm going to assume that if BYU were in the mix, their coach would not have ditched them for UVA... Also do not think BSU is in the mix either as they'll look east and to the AAC...

USF misses on program size and fan base
UCF misses on program size and academics
ECU see UCF
Memphis misses on academics
Temple misses on fan base
Tulane missed on fan base and program size

Wait a second... You say UCF misses on academics but USF doesn't? They're every so slightly higher ranked academically, but certainly not enough to move the needle.

Bard Martin and David Rudd have really done well here...

(01-11-2016 01:47 PM)kabluey Wrote:  I haven't seen this anywhere, and it seems to me it is at least incidentally related to our attractiveness to a P5 conference. It shows the direction the university is headed in all phases, and with any luck will be looked back upon as the worst year in research funding for the foreseeable future. (It also shows the mediocrity of past academic inquiry and research, but hopefully that's all in the past).

MBJ: U of M outpaces University of Alabama

"As 2015 comes to a close, it marks the best research year on record for the University of Memphis.

Memphis’ largest public university climbed the ranks when it came to research and development funding expenditures for the 2014-2015 year, as listed by the National Science Foundation.

The University of Memphis climbed 19 places in a single year, jumping from No. 203 to No. 184, with a total of $55.6 million spent on research.
“It’s our highest ranking in 103 years,” said U of M President David M. Rudd.

The U of M is just ahead of the University of Alabama and a few spots behind the University of Tennessee Health Science Center.

Private entities, such as the National Institute for Health, National Science Foundation and other private entities, fund the university’s research enterprise, which includes programs in bioscience, transportation and public health, among other specialties."

MBJ: U of M outpaces University of Alabama

Actually I understand this less and less the more I think about it.

So Houston ticks the academic box at #187.

UCF DOES NOT tick the box at #168

USF DOES tick the box at #156

?????

How I see this.

The Tex 4 are not against expansion they are against expansion that includes UH. Putting a B12 logo on UH would mean, only UT could really pull the top kids from UH. They will tell OU we are fine with what you want it's just who you might promote.

(01-15-2016 09:02 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why can't Oklahoma start the "sooner network" like Texas did?

2 of his 3 concerns could now be addressed....

ESPN is losing a ton of money on the LHN. They or another don't want to do a single team
network. Plus it is in the best interests of the conference to have a network that includes everyone.

(01-15-2016 09:41 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  So Houston ticks the academic box at #187.

UCF DOES NOT tick the box at #168

USF DOES tick the box at #156

?????

Houston is #126, ahead of schools like Rice, Oregon, Syracuse, Alabama (I know not a bastion research....jk), and Boston College to name just a few of the names I ran across.

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?...ce&ds=herd

(01-15-2016 10:06 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:41 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  So Houston ticks the academic box at #187.

UCF DOES NOT tick the box at #168

USF DOES tick the box at #156

?????

Houston is #126, ahead of schools like Rice, Oregon, Syracuse, Alabama (I know not a bastion research....jk), and Boston College to name just a few of the names I ran across.

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?...ce&ds=herd

I was referring US News rankings which seem to be the primary source when people talk about academic rankings.

Research is only one aspect of a schools academic profile.

And even still, UCF is 105 on your list so it doesn't make sense that Houston is fine academically but UCF is not.

(01-15-2016 09:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 01:47 PM)kabluey Wrote:  I haven't seen this anywhere, and it seems to me it is at least incidentally related to our attractiveness to a P5 conference. It shows the direction the university is headed in all phases, and with any luck will be looked back upon as the worst year in research funding for the foreseeable future. (It also shows the mediocrity of past academic inquiry and research, but hopefully that's all in the past).

MBJ: U of M outpaces University of Alabama

"As 2015 comes to a close, it marks the best research year on record for the University of Memphis.

Memphis’ largest public university climbed the ranks when it came to research and development funding expenditures for the 2014-2015 year, as listed by the National Science Foundation.

The University of Memphis climbed 19 places in a single year, jumping from No. 203 to No. 184, with a total of $55.6 million spent on research.
“It’s our highest ranking in 103 years,” said U of M President David M. Rudd.

The U of M is just ahead of the University of Alabama and a few spots behind the University of Tennessee Health Science Center.

Private entities, such as the National Institute for Health, National Science Foundation and other private entities, fund the university’s research enterprise, which includes programs in bioscience, transportation and public health, among other specialties."[/b]

MBJ: U of M outpaces University of Alabama

Here's how the AAC schools ranked in this research category for the last year reported:

#41: USF
#50: Cincinnati
#82: UCONN
#94: Temple
#105: UCF
#120: Tulane
#126: Houston
#184: Memphis
#222: SMU
#229: ECU
#235: Tulsa

(01-15-2016 09:31 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whether it happens or not, dissecting this statement: “We’ll look at the fan base, we’ll look at the size of their programs, we’ll look at the academics of the institutions. We’ll look at them comprehensively as to which is the best fit. And also we’ll consider geography to a certain degree.”

I think Houston and Cincy are the two that on all criteria. Houston's only hitch possibly being the fan base, but in the Big12 I think that is a non issue. UCONN is Houston's competition IMO, with geography being the biggest hurdle. Also, I'm going to assume that if BYU were in the mix, their coach would not have ditched them for UVA... Also do not think BSU is in the mix either as they'll look east and to the AAC...

USF misses on program size and fan base
UCF misses on program size and academics
ECU see UCF
Memphis misses on academics
Temple misses on fan base
Tulane missed on fan base and program size

What the hell does program size mean? Over the last 7 years or so we average more fans. Last year was probably the only year flipped in Houston's favor. Our budget is higher and academics I believe rate higher. In basketball both programs draw flies, but Houston draws ASUN level crowds.

Argument needs to be market size for Houston and coming off a big win. You guys had a great year but calm down. In average years you draw -30k. In most years ucf is pushing close to 40k fans.

(01-15-2016 03:00 AM)justinslot Wrote:  To whichever of us gets picked: YOU DON'T DESERVE IT YOUR MARKET IS WORTHLESS NOBODY GOES TO YOUR GAMES WHYYYYYYYY

Already happening to some degree. lol

(01-15-2016 10:08 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:06 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:41 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  So Houston ticks the academic box at #187.

UCF DOES NOT tick the box at #168

USF DOES tick the box at #156

?????

Houston is #126, ahead of schools like Rice, Oregon, Syracuse, Alabama (I know not a bastion research....jk), and Boston College to name just a few of the names I ran across.

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?...ce&ds=herd

I was referring US News rankings which seem to be the primary source when people talk about academic rankings.

Research is only one aspect of a schools academic profile.

And even still, UCF is 105 on your list so it doesn't make sense that Houston is fine academically but UCF is not.

Don't know either (not the one who said they weren't) but it could be a whole "new money" line of thinking.

Not right but that could be it. Just a possibility.

(01-15-2016 10:23 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:08 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 10:06 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:41 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  So Houston ticks the academic box at #187.

UCF DOES NOT tick the box at #168

USF DOES tick the box at #156

?????

Houston is #126, ahead of schools like Rice, Oregon, Syracuse, Alabama (I know not a bastion research....jk), and Boston College to name just a few of the names I ran across.

https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/profiles/site?...ce&ds=herd

I was referring US News rankings which seem to be the primary source when people talk about academic rankings.

Research is only one aspect of a schools academic profile.

And even still, UCF is 105 on your list so it doesn't make sense that Houston is fine academically but UCF is not.

Don't know either (not the one who said they weren't) but it could be a whole "new money" line of thinking.

Not right but that could be it. Just a possibility.

Yeah I don't know. I wasn't trying to say anything bad about Houston, just didn't understand why he thought you guys were fine academically but UCF is not.

Anyway... Too much thinking about what a random poster said. Lol

Houston is still a no brainer. Leans A&M/SEC, Houston would make the area more Big12.
Provides an excellent road game for 1/2 of the conference and easy for Oly sports.

(01-15-2016 10:09 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  [quote='FrancisDrake' pid='12898035' dateline='1452868262']

Argument needs to be market size for Houston and coming off a big win. You guys had a great year but calm down. In average years you draw -30k. In most years ucf is pushing close to 40k fans.

Not disagreeing as some on here (my alums) need to pump the brakes. However, we only had a stadium larger then 32k for 2 years. I think stadium capacity for a season would put everyone's argument on equal footing. Just so you guys are arguing equal facts.

You can say UH only had 31k fans which looks bad but that 96% capacity to the stadium we had at that time.

(01-15-2016 10:09 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 09:31 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Whether it happens or not, dissecting this statement: “We’ll look at the fan base, we’ll look at the size of their programs, we’ll look at the academics of the institutions. We’ll look at them comprehensively as to which is the best fit. And also we’ll consider geography to a certain degree.”

I think Houston and Cincy are the two that on all criteria. Houston's only hitch possibly being the fan base, but in the Big12 I think that is a non issue. UCONN is Houston's competition IMO, with geography being the biggest hurdle. Also, I'm going to assume that if BYU were in the mix, their coach would not have ditched them for UVA... Also do not think BSU is in the mix either as they'll look east and to the AAC...

USF misses on program size and fan base
UCF misses on program size and academics
ECU see UCF
Memphis misses on academics
Temple misses on fan base
Tulane missed on fan base and program size

What the hell does program size mean? Over the last 7 years or so we average more fans. Last year was probably the only year flipped in Houston's favor. Our budget is higher and academics I believe rate higher. In basketball both programs draw flies, but Houston draws ASUN level crowds.

Argument needs to be market size for Houston and coming off a big win. You guys had a great year but calm down. In average years you draw -30k. In most years ucf is pushing close to 40k fans.

Lol okay. You auto add 12k students per football game and say your pushing 40k....okay. And you were only "pushing 40k" during the height of the program and next year when Houston takes its leap, UCF will be easily behind.

(01-15-2016 03:00 AM)justinslot Wrote:  To whichever of us gets picked: YOU DON'T DESERVE IT

It's never been an issue of being deserving for ANY program in the AAC.

The only thing separating the AAC schools from most of the "P5" is an imaginary line... and a steady stream of revenue that they've been using to their advantage.

This argument about academics, location, market, etc, is worthless. Every school has their strengths and weaknesses... Even the ones who were grandfathered into autonomy.

Most of them don't "deserve" to have an advantage. The lesser schools in the Big 12 are living off the reputation of 2 schools (not their own)