I don't see Liberty being the favorite in the game against Georgia State. It is RARE that an FCS team will be favored over an FBS team, regardless of the struggles of the FBS team. The FCS team would have to be a perennial winner like NDSU to be favored. And like it or not, Liberty is not considered a powerhouse of FCS. They may prove to be in the coming years, but that is not their reputation yet.

Having said that, I don't see it being a blowout either.

Both teams are garbage. It is a toss up game.

(05-04-2015 06:08 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I don't see Liberty being the favorite in the game against Georgia State. It is RARE that an FCS team will be favored over an FBS team, regardless of the struggles of the FBS team. The FCS team would have to be a perennial winner like NDSU to be favored. And like it or not, Liberty is not considered a powerhouse of FCS. They may prove to be in the coming years, but that is not their reputation yet.

Having said that, I don't see it being a blowout either.

A winless FBS team and a top 20 FCS team seems to be more LIKELYrather than RARE. If GaSt makes major improvement this year and wins some games, which the odds are they will sooner than later, it's still more of an important game for GaSt not to lose rather than a game that Liberty must win.

If GaSt wins a game or two before the Liberty game, GaSt will be favored. If GaSt is winless before the LU game, Liberty will be favored. If GaSt wins one game, it's likely a toss up. If LU stumbles in their first games, GaSt will be favored win less or not.

(05-05-2015 08:37 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  A winless FBS team and a top 20 FCS team seems to be more LIKELYrather than RARE. If GaSt makes major improvement this year and wins some games, which the odds are they will sooner than later, it's still more of an important game for GaSt not to lose rather than a game that Liberty must win.

If GaSt wins a game or two before the Liberty game, GaSt will be favored. If GaSt is winless before the LU game, Liberty will be favored. If GaSt wins one game, it's likely a toss up. If LU stumbles in their first games, GaSt will be favored win less or not.

Liberty WAS a top 20 team last year. No offense, but Liberty wasn't some powerhouse for the past decade that will automatically get top 25 rankings.

(05-05-2015 09:00 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 08:37 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  A winless FBS team and a top 20 FCS team seems to be more LIKELYrather than RARE. If GaSt makes major improvement this year and wins some games, which the odds are they will sooner than later, it's still more of an important game for GaSt not to lose rather than a game that Liberty must win.

If GaSt wins a game or two before the Liberty game, GaSt will be favored. If GaSt is winless before the LU game, Liberty will be favored. If GaSt wins one game, it's likely a toss up. If LU stumbles in their first games, GaSt will be favored win less or not.

Liberty WAS a top 20 team last year. No offense, but Liberty wasn't some powerhouse for the past decade that will automatically get top 25 rankings.

No offense taken and what you say is true. I agree and that's why I said that if LU stumbles early in the season it will be a major step back for the program. We who follow LU do feel that there is a current surge with the program missing from the past. It will be decided on the field, as most all dialogues here, from casual to the most heated, are settled.

GaSt has yet to win to build that momentum. When it does, it will have a lot of frustration to take out from being a whipping boy program for the past several years. Until it does, and with the others factors previously mentioned, it's Liberty being favored to win the Oct. 3 game unless GaSt has a fast turn around and LU does not stumble.

very true. If Ga State loses to UNC- Charlotte, and NMSU, and liberty is 3-1 with a win over Montana, they will most definitely be favored.

(05-04-2015 06:08 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  I don't see Liberty being the favorite in the game against Georgia State. It is RARE that an FCS team will be favored over an FBS team, regardless of the struggles of the FBS team. The FCS team would have to be a perennial winner like NDSU to be favored. And like it or not, Liberty is not considered a powerhouse of FCS. They may prove to be in the coming years, but that is not their reputation yet.

Having said that, I don't see it being a blowout either.

Liberty should be favored. They're better than Georgia State. GSU isn't really a FBS team yet (in name only they are, but they still have FCS talent until their recruiting catches up). That will change in time, but at this time LU should be slightly favored. They're better. GSU barely beat Abilene Christian, lost to NMSU, and lost to App 44-0. LU beat App. Just my humble outsider opinion. Don't shoot messenger.

(05-05-2015 10:41 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Liberty should be favored. They're better than Georgia State. GSU isn't really a FBS team yet (in name only they are, but they still have FCS talent until their recruiting catches up). That will change in time, but at this time LU should be slightly favored. They're better. GSU barely beat Abilene Christian, lost to NMSU, and lost to App 44-0. LU beat App. Just my humble outsider opinion. Don't shoot messenger.

No need to shoot any messenger. This is all conjecture at this point. Anyone who is claiming fact is just delusional.

(05-04-2015 04:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  I'm a little slow here. Can you explain your post? What does it have to do with the topic at hand? I'm missing something.

I guess I'll have to expand it for you and get you all hyper....

Liberty has been in the Big South since 1991 and will still be in the Big South in 2021 and beyond. Liberty has tried to move before and neither the SoCon or CAA would entertain taking Liberty. So there is no way Liberty will go from one of the historical worst FCS conferences to an FBS conference, its just not happening.

Liberty admin have offered both CUSA and the SB double the entrance fee's and neither have thought about taking it. As much as Liberty folks don't want to think about it, Liberty has way to much baggage and will never escape their past.

(05-05-2015 02:44 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(05-04-2015 04:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  I'm a little slow here. Can you explain your post? What does it have to do with the topic at hand? I'm missing something.

I guess I'll have to expand it for you and get you all hyper....

Liberty has been in the Big South since 1991 and will still be in the Big South in 2021 and beyond. Liberty has tried to move before and neither the SoCon or CAA would entertain taking Liberty. So there is no way Liberty will go from one of the historical worst FCS conferences to an FBS conference, its just not happening.

Liberty admin have offered both CUSA and the SB double the entrance fee's and neither have thought about taking it. As much as Liberty folks don't want to think about it, Liberty has way to much baggage and will never escape their past.

HZ, although you attempt to write/speak with authority, you are mistaken to say that LU will not be FBS in the near future. I understand your position. It's appears as an extreme statement based on conjecture and dislike for the school. LU will be FBS within the next 4 years. Either by invite or other means.

Most of even the most ardent anti LU detractors agree that an opening will likely occur for Liberty and that LU will be the best option for a FBS conference. Or be indy. It may not happen within this cycle, or within a year or two. But is going to happen, and certainly before 2021.

I do find it interesting that a poster from a C-USA school is posting an extreme statement about Liberty, on the SBC board, on a thread posted by a SBC fan. You really don't have a dog in the fight other than to try to dish Liberty.

HZ has been spouting his anti-liberty comments for a long time. Not sure why anyone would have such animosity towards a college. If atheist wanted to start a college and part of their curriculum were a few courses to prove there's no God, who cares? I wouldn't be running from message board to messsge board dogging the school. I would want Liberty to beat them by 100 if we ever played.

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We did play and we killed you 63-3. And as far as I know, any move up from FCS has to have a conference to join...can't join as an Indy... But I feel the belt will be compelled to take you eventually. I wish you luck.

(05-05-2015 04:16 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  We did play and we killed you 63-3. And as far as I know, any move up from FCS has to have a conference to join...can't join as an Indy... But I feel the belt will be compelled to take you eventually. I wish you luck.

The 63-3 debacle was in 1999. And debacle is a likely a kind word. LU then was a very bad team and program. Then coach Ken Karcher drove the program to all time lows. LU has become a respectful FCS program when Danny Rocco took over as FB coach and currently there is excitement and anticipation that the program is on the upward spiral with Tuner Gill.

I believe today that LU would play close with about 25% of the G5 schools and would get an occassional win, would lose to about 50%, and would get beat soundly by the remaining 25%. Another 63-3 debacle game would be a very rare loss to a G5. Much has changed since 1999.

I mention indy as a last resort. One needs to throw out the current rules and regs and think outside the box if that ever comes to fruition. Most all LU fans want conference affiliation rather than indy.

(05-05-2015 03:06 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  HZ, although you attempt to write/speak with authority, you are mistaken to say that LU will not be FBS in the near future. I understand your position. It's appears as an extreme statement based on conjecture and dislike for the school. LU will be FBS within the next 4 years. Either by invite or other means.

Most of even the most ardent anti LU detractors agree that an opening will likely occur for Liberty and that LU will be the best option for a FBS conference. Or be indy. It may not happen within this cycle, or within a year or two. But is going to happen, and certainly before 2021.

I do find it interesting that a poster from a C-USA school is posting an extreme statement about Liberty, on the SBC board, on a thread posted by a SBC fan. You really don't have a dog in the fight other than to try to dish Liberty.

OOOOOOOOOOOK.....So what you are saying is if no IA conference wants us and wont take us, and they don't and won't. We will then sue the NCAA. I guess you can say "That's The American Way".

Liberty is about on the same level as Bob Jones University, how either can claim university status when they teach "Junk Science" is beyond me. I mean Liberty has a fossil of a dinosaur and claims its 3000 years old. I guess Adam and Eve and even Jesus rode around on T-Rex's.

This is another reason that no IA Conference will ever accept The Right Winged Cult of Liberty. I wouldn't put it past most Big South people wanting you out, I know I would. If EKU had started to upgrade their facilities and campus when WKU 1st jumped then the SB may have a viable option in them right now.

Quote:Most of even the most ardent anti LU detractors agree that an opening will likely occur for Liberty and that LU will be the best option for a FBS conference.

Best option, NO....Only option, maybe...If JMU ever realizes that the SB is the only option, then it will be Liberty who....

If you were the "Best Option", you would have been voted in months ago. The day Marshall applied to the MAC in 1995 they were put on the calendar for the next meeting and voted on and accepted with a 10-0 vote, as was NIU at the same time.

HZ, good luck to Marshall. It's best with extremism views to let those who have them express them. If we can move the topic back to the field that's great. If we get into judgmental dialogue, we'll go down a path that has been discussed ad nauseum.

If hijacking a thread about Liberty and cost of attendance is the intent, you may have accomplished that. But those who agree are few. There are many more who've responded without the rhetoric. The choice is yours.

No substance, same rhetoric post after post. Obviously, Liberty, a Christian, you feel God has slighted you in some way. Life is to short for all the hate. Let it go.

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(05-05-2015 06:09 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  I mention indy as a last resort. One needs to throw out the current rules and regs and think outside the box if that ever comes to fruition. Most all LU fans want conference affiliation rather than indy.

I really don't think Liberty will try to go the route of litigation. Petition to change the rule? Sure. But if that fails, I just am not convinced Liberty is prepared to go to court over it.

(05-05-2015 08:22 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 06:09 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  I mention indy as a last resort. One needs to throw out the current rules and regs and think outside the box if that ever comes to fruition. Most all LU fans want conference affiliation rather than indy.

I really don't think Liberty will try to go the route of litigation. Petition to change the rule? Sure. But if that fails, I just am not convinced Liberty is prepared to go to court over it.

The only way that is even a consideration will be if no invites come after meeting the standards and still no invite. I would guess LU will wait 2, maybe 3 years for an invite. If none comes, afte 4+ years, I'm purely guessing they would commence the indy route. If they did commence indy, one could bet they would be prepared to proceed full steam rather than taking a year+ to get organized.

(05-03-2015 08:55 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  Seems that Liberty has an unlimited revenue stream. If Karl gets his wish does Liberty need to have an artificial cap placed on their athletic budget.

Why? They going to buy extra points? GS competed with a ton of basketball centric FCS programs with a ton more money in their athletic departments and kick the crap out of them for years. Liberty probably has one of the highest budgets in the FCS and it has not led to a NC much less dominance.

Many of you get hung up on field performances and national championships. What had Ga State ever accomplished on the field or Charlotte or FIU? Nothing, but that didn't stop them from being able to move to FBS football. Here's the rub with us Liberty fans. We've done everything possible to move to FBS. The Carr report stated we were the most ready school to make the jump that they had ever evaluated. Our facilities would match those of many SB, MAC or CUSA schools. We're now the only FCS school that's going to provide cost of attendance to every athlete. I'm not sure it would take Liberty actually going the route of litigation, but probably Liberty's team of attorneys sitting down with the NCAA's team of attorneys and all parties agreeing that the current set up violates anti-trust laws. The problem comes in scheduling the needed home games. This could all be avoided with an invite. . If I were in charge I would tell the football playing schools of the SB that a generous donation of $2,000,000 will be given to every school that votes yes.

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