(04-04-2015 06:58 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 05:45 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  When he was asked specifically about the Tigers, he said basically the same things that everyone with any sense already knows.
That they were young and weak at the guards and started off slow, got way better, then suffered injuries that probably cost them at least four losses.
As far as next year? With everyone of importance back and a top ten incoming class, he expects to be back in the top 25.

Everyone with any sense saw it coming over a year earlier, but only one person could've done anything about it. Odd thing is, some still can't admit he has any responsibility for it.

What would you have suggested he do? What steps would you have taken?

(04-04-2015 06:58 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 05:45 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  When he was asked specifically about the Tigers, he said basically the same things that everyone with any sense already knows.
That they were young and weak at the guards and started off slow, got way better, then suffered injuries that probably cost them at least four losses.
As far as next year? With everyone of importance back and a top ten incoming class, he expects to be back in the top 25.

Everyone with any sense saw it coming over a year earlier, but only one person could've done anything about it. Odd thing is, some still can't admit he has any responsibility for it.

Assuming you believe this; a typically sad thing to post.

(04-04-2015 07:00 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 06:58 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 05:45 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  When he was asked specifically about the Tigers, he said basically the same things that everyone with any sense already knows.
That they were young and weak at the guards and started off slow, got way better, then suffered injuries that probably cost them at least four losses.
As far as next year? With everyone of importance back and a top ten incoming class, he expects to be back in the top 25.

Everyone with any sense saw it coming over a year earlier, but only one person could've done anything about it. Odd thing is, some still can't admit he has any responsibility for it.

What would you have suggested he do? What steps would you have taken?

Probably the same thing most top college basketball programs do -- bring in freshman recruits for the positions you need to fill and prepare them by giving them ever increasing playing time.

What would you do? When you know all your guards are graduating the next year, bring in two transfers with a year of eligibility left, give all the PT to them while your replacements miss a year of basketball, all to gamble your future away for a swing at the fence, and then blame your players for not making shots the following year when you're four games over .500 and done with the year before the middle of March?

I'll hang up and listen.

(04-04-2015 07:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 07:00 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 06:58 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 05:45 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  When he was asked specifically about the Tigers, he said basically the same things that everyone with any sense already knows.
That they were young and weak at the guards and started off slow, got way better, then suffered injuries that probably cost them at least four losses.
As far as next year? With everyone of importance back and a top ten incoming class, he expects to be back in the top 25.

Everyone with any sense saw it coming over a year earlier, but only one person could've done anything about it. Odd thing is, some still can't admit he has any responsibility for it.

What would you have suggested he do? What steps would you have taken?

Probably the same thing most top college basketball programs do -- bring in freshman recruits for the positions you need to fill and prepare them by giving them ever increasing playing time.

What would you do? When you know all your guards are graduating the next year, bring in two transfers with a year of eligibility left, give all the PT to them while your replacements miss a year of basketball, all to gamble your future away for a swing at the fence, and then blame your players for not making shots the following year when you're four games over .500 and done with the year before the middle of March?

I'll hang up and listen.

I thought he was supposed to have Pookie and Magee?
It's not his fault that they both folded under pressure.

What would have been your back-up plan?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

Penthouse to the septic tank. Cant feed you chicken $#!+ , spice it up, tell you its chicken soup, feed it to you and make you like it.

(04-04-2015 07:42 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 07:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 07:00 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 06:58 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 05:45 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  When he was asked specifically about the Tigers, he said basically the same things that everyone with any sense already knows.
That they were young and weak at the guards and started off slow, got way better, then suffered injuries that probably cost them at least four losses.
As far as next year? With everyone of importance back and a top ten incoming class, he expects to be back in the top 25.

Everyone with any sense saw it coming over a year earlier, but only one person could've done anything about it. Odd thing is, some still can't admit he has any responsibility for it.

What would you have suggested he do? What steps would you have taken?

Probably the same thing most top college basketball programs do -- bring in freshman recruits for the positions you need to fill and prepare them by giving them ever increasing playing time.

What would you do? When you know all your guards are graduating the next year, bring in two transfers with a year of eligibility left, give all the PT to them while your replacements miss a year of basketball, all to gamble your future away for a swing at the fence, and then blame your players for not making shots the following year when you're four games over .500 and done with the year before the middle of March?

I'll hang up and listen.

I thought he was supposed to have Pookie and Magee?
It's not his fault that they both folded under pressure.

What would have been your back-up plan?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

Pookie got yanked every time his dribble didn't come exactly correctly off his finger tips. Not sure how that was folding ... if anything, he never even got the chance to fold. The season was a disaster, he should have given Pookie some run to at least see what he had.

Early in the season, Pookie had some moments, he looked like he could be the PG of the future, but the only thing you can develop while sitting on the bench is a$$ splinters.

As for Magee, he never saw the floor (literally). Not sure how that equates to folding under pressure.

(04-04-2015 07:42 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  I thought he was supposed to have Pookie and Magee?
It's not his fault that they both folded under pressure.

What would have been your back-up plan?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

You're not following this very well. Let me see if I can simplify it. Asking what the backup plan should be when Pookie and Magee didn't work out is ignoring the obvious. They should BE your backup plan, not your number one option.

Bringing in freshmen recruits and working them into the lineup before you have to rely on them as a mainstay is the desired plan of succession for top programs. Bringing in transfers with only a year or two of eligibility left and giving them major playing time, which we have been doing in multiple cases every single year, drastically reduces your potential for (1) having roster spots open for future replacements, and (2) having playing time for future replacements.

But you do understand what the consequences were. Instead of having guards steping into bigger roles this past season, we had guards stepping onto a DI court for the first time in their lives, with the exception of yet another transfer, who, himself, hadn't played in over a year. As for the one freshman recruit we had upon losing four seniors and a grad transfer (one freshman recruit to replace five known departures for one of the best recruiters in college basketball?), Magee should never have been more than a passing thought as a first option right out of high school.

When you find yourself in the swamp surrounded by alligators, it's a little late to ask about a backup plan. Maybe you should've figured out a way around the swamp earlier in the game.

Here's a question for you. Do you believe we'll spend next year ranked as Pastner seems to? And if you think we will, please tell me why, since we'll have the same backcourt our 18-14 team had, barring any more transfers.

To think we will be ranked next year is pyrite. Anyone selling it is a salesman in every sense of the word.

Pookie had a whole year+ to get his act together, albeit on his own, but I'm sure he had access to tutors and facilities for the whole time. He chose to blow his chance off.

Magee obviously split for a worse program before he even started because he figured out early that he was in over his head.

(04-04-2015 09:04 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  To think we will be ranked next year is pyrite. Anyone selling it is a salesman in every sense of the word.

Or someone who knows what they're they're talking about. Way too many variables right now to even guess about it, but IF, note that word, please, IF some of the dominoes fall right, then sure, I could see us ranked.

(04-04-2015 09:04 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  To think we will be ranked next year is pyrite. Anyone selling it is a salesman in every sense of the word.

you might be surprised

(04-04-2015 07:42 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 07:33 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 07:00 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 06:58 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 05:45 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  When he was asked specifically about the Tigers, he said basically the same things that everyone with any sense already knows.
That they were young and weak at the guards and started off slow, got way better, then suffered injuries that probably cost them at least four losses.
As far as next year? With everyone of importance back and a top ten incoming class, he expects to be back in the top 25.

Everyone with any sense saw it coming over a year earlier, but only one person could've done anything about it. Odd thing is, some still can't admit he has any responsibility for it.

What would you have suggested he do? What steps would you have taken?

Probably the same thing most top college basketball programs do -- bring in freshman recruits for the positions you need to fill and prepare them by giving them ever increasing playing time.

What would you do? When you know all your guards are graduating the next year, bring in two transfers with a year of eligibility left, give all the PT to them while your replacements miss a year of basketball, all to gamble your future away for a swing at the fence, and then blame your players for not making shots the following year when you're four games over .500 and done with the year before the middle of March?

I'll hang up and listen.

I thought he was supposed to have Pookie and Magee?
It's not his fault that they both folded under pressure.

What would have been your back-up plan?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

Jebus. Man crush much? You really creep me out.

(04-04-2015 09:16 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-04-2015 09:04 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  To think we will be ranked next year is pyrite. Anyone selling it is a salesman in every sense of the word.

Or someone who knows what they're they're talking about. Way too many variables right now to even guess about it, but IF, note that word, please, IF some of the dominoes fall right, then sure, I could see us ranked.

Dominoes = more transfers. It's all the hope we have, now. It just seems to be a never-ending situation. It's not all Pastner's fault, I know, but he's got a lot of skin in it. We need to try keeping the freshmen we recruit, and maybe these perpetual "last minute emergencies" will go away. I'd like to get to know our players, and I had to have a program for the CBU game.