(03-30-2015 01:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  [quote='BeliefBlazer' pid='11937961' dateline='1427739259']

A bowl at War Memorial, now that's a venue Any guesses on the name, the slick willy bowl?

The Slick Willy Bowl sponsored by Trojan.

(04-02-2015 09:35 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 12:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I don't think that's what these games are about. There are no P5 bowl ties left to be had except the Pac-12 #8. So, any new bowl has to be G5 vs G5.

The reality is these G5 bowls pitting mid-pack G5 finishers against one another are not the Rose Bowl. They need to be within a 2-6 hour drive of the respective fan bases or they simply wont do well. They need to represent a inexpensive road trip that's easy to get to and fairly cheap fun once you arrive. Not many are going to sign on for 16 hour drives or expensive 1000 mile plane trips at peak December rates to see a pair of non-descript 6-6 G5 squads go at it.

No reason these bowls cant be fun even if they are not the Sugar Bowl in Nola on NYE. Austin is a perfect example. Pretty fun town with a bunch of CUSA and AAC schools within an easy drive of the city. I think that one will work out fine. My guess is the AAC vs SB Little Rock Bowl will end up being more fun than people think as well for the same reason.

You are arguing points I did not try to make. I am actually a fan of such bowls for the very reasons you state.......easy travel, regional rivals, lots of fan interest, reasonable costs associated with the gameday experience.

I still think though that with time we are going to see fewer and fewer P5s willing to take on G5s in bowl games. There is nothing in it for them and with so many bowl slots available, everyone should be able to find their slot.

Its kinda already that way. There will always be a few G5 vs P5 games for the same reasons I mentioned. There isn't much motivation for a 6-6 mid-pack teams fans to travel 1000 miles to see them face another mid-pack 6-6 P5 team. Easier to get their fans to make a short 3-4 in footprint drive to play a pretty good regional G5 team (maybe even a G5 champ).

The only thing I have yet to see tried is using cash. Frankly, bowl games are about money and the bowls with the highest payouts get the best P5's. What would happen if a G5 game had a payout as high (or higher) than a current P5 vs P5 game? Might it attract a P5? I think it would.

We really don't know because the bowls that currently make those kind of pay outs have no interest in paying a G5 team that kind of money when they can land a P5 team (who will bring more fans and sell more tickets). So, the only bowl that might pay that kind of money and be willing to invite a G5---is a bowl owned by a G5 conference. Im hoping that is the strategy the Miami Bowl will use in the next bowl cycle.

If it works, then every G5 will be able to create thier own bowl and pay enough to attract a nice P5 opponent for their champ (assuming they want to do that). If the strategy doesn't work, then it tells us that its not just good business that keeps P5 vs G5 bowls from happening---its P5 snobbery.

(04-01-2015 11:52 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 03:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 02:08 PM)Herd_fever Wrote:  Another bowl game the AAC avoids playing against CUSA in

Playing CUSA is not our priority.

After last year it shouldn't. You need to focus on getting back on track with the mac

we're focused on playing P5 teams in bowl games...that's not a knock on CUSA.

In 2015 we only have 2 bowls with P5 teams...in 2016, we'll have 4

Birmingham Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Bitcoin St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. ACC
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Big 12

I think 6-6 teams benefit tremendously from bowl games especially if they are within driving distance. Everybody here is posting from a fans perspective. What about those 6-6 teams like MTSU who could benefit tremendously from 15 extra practices and an extra game. These small bowls are great experience for players and programs trying to get over a hump or keep afloat.

G5 vs. P5 games tend to quirks. It just doesn't work well financially for the ACC to send a 6-6 to California for Pac-12 to send a 7-5 to North Carolina. It gets difficult to plug in all the various pieces to completely eliminate playing P5 vs. G5 but we saw the Big 10 and Ford Field push the Pizza Bowl out of Detroit to end the Big 10 vs. MAC set-up and replace it with Big 10 vs. ACC.

The beauty of the increase in bowl games is the power shift.

Several years ago Big East needed games and took Toronto. As games increased, Big East no longer needed them and refused to renew and MAC could find no league willing to sign off on going to Toronto.

Used to be if you wanted a bowl game you went hat in hand to the bowl directors and pleaded for a spot and generally took it on the terms they dictated. Now with so many games, it is the bowl directors who are going to the commissioners and pleading their case and having to come to terms the leagues want.

The increase in bowls has moved the power away from the bowl directors and given it to the conferences.

(04-02-2015 10:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The only thing I have yet to see tried is the using cash. Frankly, bowl games are about money and the bowls with the highest payouts get the best P5's. What would happen if a G5 game had a payout as high (or higher) than a current P5 vs P5 game? Might it attract a P5? I think it would.

We really don't know because the bowls that currently make those kind of pay outs have no interest in paying a G5 team that kind of money when they can land a P5 team (who will bring more fans and sell more tickets). So, the only bowl that might pay that kind of money and be willing to invite a G5---is a bowl owned by a G5 conference. Im hoping that is the strategy the Miami Bowl will use in the next bowl cycle.

If it works, then every G5 will be able to create thier own bowl and pay enough to attract a nice P5 opponent for their champ (assuming they want to do that). If the strategy doesn't work, then it tells us that its not just good business that keeps P5 vs G5 bowls from happening---its P5 snobbery.

I would love to see the crowd for a New Orleans Bowl game between the Cajuns and a decent P5 squad. The game between Tulane and the Cajuns drew over 54,000. One would think the right P5 from the SEC or similar conference could break that record.

Did I click on the wrong key. I thought this was a Cusa board. Who/what is this Cajun school someone is posting about? Hmm, maybe there isn't a Cajun board.

(04-02-2015 04:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Did I click on the wrong key. I thought this was a Cusa board. Who/what is this Cajun school someone is posting about? Hmm, maybe there isn't a Cajun board.

Louisiana is practically already patched in.

(04-01-2015 11:09 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  Personally I think what we are seeing is the beginning of the end of the P5s playing G5s in bowl games. Yeah, they will continue to schedule a few of us during the regular season for what they view as easy wins to pad their numbers, but slowly but surely I believe we are going to see fewer and fewer matchups with those guys. They will throw us the Access Bowl bone, but not much else.

You are absolutely correct. Eventually, other than the 1 Access slot, G5s will only be allowed to play other G5s in postseason. This will lead to an official, permanent split of the P5 FBS and the G5 FBS- no lawyers needed.

P5 v P5 games usually draw better audiences than P5 v G5 and P5 v G5 usually draw larger audiences than G5 v G5.

It's all about the money and the viewers reached. P5 is always going to angle to get P5 v P5 match-ups. Short time back it looked like SEC was leaving Memphis, Liberty lines up Big XII and its a happy family.

what's with all these Sun Belt trolls?

(04-02-2015 11:09 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  what's with all these Sun Belt trolls?

Only trolling I've noticed was from an AAC fan or two. Discussing a topic is not trolling.