(01-26-2015 04:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

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(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

That's a fantastic question

They sure as hell shouldn't, as those kids did not want to play for state since they committed to a different school...according to the logic in this thread.

Actually, you just made the point. If a kid is coming to stAte on a last minute visit, the coaches are going to be throwing out all the stops to flip him. If one of our commits is taking last minute visit to another school, the same thing is happening. The coaches would have to expend a lot of time and energy to keep that kid committed after he just got wined and dined by another school.

As was mentioned, it's up to the coach. If the kid is a #1 target, they probably have different rules. If there is another kid who is willing to commit and stAte doesn't want to risk it, you tell the kid if he visits then he may not have an offer anymore. Who is gaming who at this point?

This happens everywhere. We had a kid this week who backed out of coming (most likely based on pressure from the school where he is currently comitted.) The kid from Alabama either didn't come out of loyalty to Troy or because our coaches didn't want him to come if he was backing out. I really think it's for the best for both. No sense our coaches wasting recruiting $$

(01-26-2015 05:01 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:14 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

That's a fantastic question

They sure as hell shouldn't, as those kids did not want to play for state since they committed to a different school...according to the logic in this thread.

Actually, you just made the point. If a kid is coming to stAte on a last minute visit, the coaches are going to be throwing out all the stops to flip him. If one of our commits is taking last minute visit to another school, the same thing is happening. The coaches would have to expend a lot of time and energy to keep that kid committed after he just got wined and dined by another school.

As was mentioned, it's up to the coach. If the kid is a #1 target, they probably have different rules. If there is another kid who is willing to commit and stAte doesn't want to risk it, you tell the kid if he visits then he may not have an offer anymore. Who is gaming who at this point?

This happens everywhere. We had a kid this week who backed out of coming (most likely based on pressure from the school where he is currently comitted.) The kid from Alabama either didn't come out of loyalty to Troy or because our coaches didn't want him to come if he was backing out. I really think it's for the best for both. No sense our coaches wasting recruiting $$

No way getting around the hypocrital aspect of it. If you consider a kid committed then he is committed no matter if it is at your school or someone elses.

One side of the mouth is saying we don't want kids who commit then want to visit other schools
The other is saying yes we will take you even though you are committed to another school.

NMSU got 6 more commits this past weekend, up to 24 total.

(01-26-2015 03:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

Depends on our numbers. For instance this year? We stole a Cincy commit back in June...but otherwise, we've had so many commitments that we've not had many non committed kids on campus, and none of those are committed anywhere else.

Does your dog like it here? Would he ever run away?
No he loves it here, he would never leave.
Have you ever let him off the chain?
No... Never

(01-26-2015 05:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

Depends on our numbers. For instance this year? We stole a Cincy commit back in June...but otherwise, we've had so many commitments that we've not had many non committed kids on campus, and none of those are committed anywhere else.

So flexible "morality" on the recruiting philosophy based on need?

Not all the way one side or the other on this but IMO IF I was a recruit wayyy back in the day I would just avoid GT and ArkState until all together or wait to the very end to even consider.

(01-26-2015 04:22 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 04:14 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:45 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 03:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  I just think it's crazy for a grown man that makes piles of money who can afford to bring his kids anywhere in the world to tell kids they shoukd t the the opportunity to see different parts of this country for practically free, it's hard for some to believe but there are more important things in life besides football and recruits. If you really want kids that want to be at stAte, yiu shoukd let then visit... Not get them by not letting them see other options. If they visit these places and still sign, that's the kid that wants to be there ... Not the one who just doesn't know anything else.

Recruiting in Arkansas is a far different world than it is in any other state. In the past few ears we've had multiple Arkansas commits who called us about visiting when the Razorbacks picked up a stronger commit in their spot. Arkansas told them straight up that if they visit Arkansas State, they better commit because the offer is gone. Arkansas also blocks its outgoing kids from transferring to any instate school, regardless of classification.

If we want kids to commit, we have to recruit in that kind of world. That means tight restrictions on our commitments designed to encourage them to stop recruiting calls. If the recruit likes us and feels comfortable, they'll generally go along with it.

Does State allow kids who are currently committed to other schools come visit?

That's a fantastic question

They sure as hell shouldn't, as those kids did not want to play for state since they committed to a different school...according to the logic in this thread.

I think our coaches philosphy is that a kid taking visits is not committed. No matter the circumstance, so an AState commit visiting elsewhere is not considered committed to us, so we don't have to honor his place.

So, if a Cajun recruit was wanting to visit...come on down. If a school wants to prevent it, they should enact a similar policy.

That being said, Anderson generally will not steal recruits from friends of his. He won't recruit North Carolina kids at all for example.

It's college recruiting. Our coaches are supposed to hang onto our guys and try to take you guys recruits. What is so hard to figure that out. It's not fair or good. Troy just got one of our guys. Bet they didn't send an apology to Anderson. You do what you think you have to do and I imagine these new recruits know what will happen if they visit somewhere else. If you are doing 70 in a 35 zone you know the penalty. I doubt that's ever stopped any of us from doing it.

Yep. It is a fluid situation until the very end. Kids change their minds all the time. What is really encouraging for Ga. Southern fans is that we are in with a number of kids who have P5 offers. I don't know how many we will get but when we were in the FCS we basically had virtually no chance with these recruits. When it is said that when a team joins the FBS their potential recruiting pool changes it is absolutely true.

Here's the thing about kids and offers, especially these ones who claim P5 offers. Most don't haven them. Players will commit to schools who haven't offered them to generate interest. I'm very skeptical when it comes to players and offer lists.

It's a shame that more parents don't understand the game and "allow" some kids to parade around on twitter and take their visits when they are a 2**.Most do not understand that their is an ocean of kids just like thier son in the recruiting pool and the $100,000 ticket is time sensitive.

My son committed early on an unoffical and never took an official to any of the other 4 D1 schools he had offers to.He wasn't told too but he said it wouldn't "feel" like the right thing to do.

It can get mean and ugly but if you are truly loyal to your school most all coaches will honor your committment in the end.

(01-26-2015 09:40 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Here's the thing about kids and offers, especially these ones who claim P5 offers. Most don't haven them. Players will commit to schools who haven't offered them to generate interest. I'm very skeptical when it comes to players and offer lists.

Generally, the offers that are real are the ones that come in at the very end. There are a ton of players who get P5 offers last minute as teams start trying to finish out classes. When you get players who turn those down, (happens quite a bit) you've done well in recruiting the kid.

(01-26-2015 04:11 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

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(01-26-2015 12:21 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  A 4 star who commits to a G5 school will get bumped down. A 3 star that commits to a big P5 will get bumped up to a 4 star. It's the way it goes. But that doesn't change the fact that he had offers from Georgia, Florida, Clemson, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Nebraska, Miami, South Carolina, NC State, Arizona State, California, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, Duke, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Washington, Memphis, WKU, Northern Illinois, Tulane, UAB, UCF, USM, and Louisiana Lafayette.

Great kid. There are a few in the SBC from ULL and Arkansas State that have offers as big and fancy as those. Not many but there are a few. So maybe not a lot like I suggested earlier.

The system is certainly flawed. I believe you can enter your own star rating if you manage your own 247 or rivals school site.

That is not true. All the major sites have a very small group of national scouts that grade the prospects. If site owners could control the ratings, USA, GaState and App State would be crushing the rest of the conference in the 247 recruiting rankings.

I was curious because we have two guys (brothers) who both earned an 83 (pretty high) as soon as they committed to Troy. This was recent and they previously had no rating at all. One of them, Damone Kemp, doesn't even have a rivals, scout, or ESPN profile. How can a guy be a 3-Star one one site and not even have profiles on the others? The other brother has a rivals profile but is not rated at all. Seems odd to all the sudden two 83s.

Because you have thousands of recruits and an not that many people creating profiles and rating them. I imagine the top kids get rated early on and then it just takes awhile to get to the rest. I bet the focus right now is unrated kids that have committed.

On 247 the state of GA has 569 high school profiles alone and I think I read where they only have 50 guys that rate kids. Four star and below kids probably get rated when ever they can get around to it.

You're right. There are too many kids to all have profiles throughout recruiting season. Individual site publishers can make a profile, but they're only going to do so when they hear their school has started recruiting a player. The rating comes later and for SBC recruits often comes only after a commitment. The 247 national scout is making the rounds to all the commit lists and rating any player that has highlights he can see. BTW, there are only three guys at 247 that can rate players and only one of those is still looking at 2015 players.

(01-26-2015 04:08 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

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(01-26-2015 03:32 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 10:55 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  the rating sites probably dropped him to a 3 star after he committed. lol

That's exactly what happened, although I think the evaluator was trying to be objective. He dropped from a 91 to an 87 soon after he committed.

It happens the other way as well. The composite score on 247 combines all the ranking services. Did they all drop him or was he just showing four star on one site?

The four point drop was on 247, JagsJungle.com's home network. He was rated a three-star by the other services and still is, but he may have been reevaluated but them and given a different point total that didn't change his star rating.

The updates on 247 can lag awhile. I believe you have to be 90 or above to be four star either way good get.

In this case Thompson was rated a 91, four-star player by one scout at 247. Later, a new scout looking at more film dropped him to an 87. That was after his commitment to USA. He had a great senior year and could probably benefit from another review, but it's really not that important at the end of the day.

I'm sure the Cajun 3* commit that recently changed his commit to Texas A&M will wind up a 4* sometime before signing day.

(01-27-2015 10:48 AM)CajunAmos Wrote:  I'm sure the Cajun 3* commit that recently changed his commit to Texas A&M will wind up a 4* sometime before signing day.

probably.

Troy has had 5 players flip from other schools to commit to Troy!

1 from Ark State, WKU, USA

2 from Ga State

(01-27-2015 10:56 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Troy has had 5 players flip from other schools to commit to Troy!

1 from Ark State, WKU, USA

2 from Ga State

Glad Branner found a home with you guys. He was a good kid to follow on his recruiting for GSU. He was an odd man out with the UAB situation and passed on the grayshirt. Wish we had a spot for him still.

Alabamas top rusher Jamarous Henderson has offers from Florida, Colorado state, UK. Word is Troy is his top choice and this would be a huge get

(01-27-2015 11:01 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Alabamas top rusher Jamarous Henderson has offers from Florida, Colorado state, UK. Word is Troy is his top choice and this would be a huge get

Troy is his top choice, but he hasn't been offered by Florida. He has a visit there on the 30th. He does have some other really significant offers though.